DAG protocol will be the framework for DAM (Distributed Autonomous Municipality). So the first block in order to build workable DAG is to setup DAM right at the beginning. What I mean is that your thinking DAG a whole centralized country which aren't the aim of DAG. We'll see DAM with their own law such as each federals governments got their own law.
I think you're jumping a bit too far ahead Seldoon. What we need at first is a workable demo, essentially. Each workable demo/site/API cluster would be connected to a country. We can start with U.K, U.S and so on. It doesn't really matter, because once you complete the structure for one you can roll out the rest for the other countries should they so wish to use it.
I am. We're brainstorming. Sometime my ideas go too far. Feel free to stop me when I goes that far. Thanks
But I don't agree with the country scale. I mean the demo should be workable anywhere and target communities not just cities. I would like to merge Open-source city and Autonomous Government so in my mind I do think that best would be to start a new small town from scratch. Hope we can chit chat deeper in that domain soon.
The first site would be limited in its use due to practicalities, but would grow (hopefully.)
I do believe (compared to cpu security) that best apps are made with client installer instead of webapps. So in my mind the website sitemap should be about:
- download the client (with auto-update would be neat)
- documentation / white paper
- tutorial
- community
The reason I say it would be limited is that you can't just expect people to vote on upcoming issues without any information or the unbiased assessed possible ramifications of their decision. You would need at least two opposing view points from experts in the proposed fields/vote, giving differing opinions. This would be well before the actual voting. Then, people would be able to debate it.
Then, vote. Only then is where you'd get your Tinder 'swipe left swipe right' voting, and yes, that does mean a fair few people would vote for 'whatever', but the numbers wouldn't be that large and they'd soon get bored.
The results of the vote, and other past votes, would be set in stone by the block chain would then be available for public viewing.
We might expect people to vote in real time their law for their community. But maybe we can brainstorm in order to transcend the way we manage. Voting is the only property from democracy we experience nowadays but maybe we can mix it with other properties from democracy and even other governance system like holacracy, stigmergy (which is decentralized by nature) or even dictatorship?
I should also point out that I'm not suggesting doing away with the military. Because as much as I might be a pacifist at heart, there will always be someone knocking on your door rather hard when you've built a shiny new house.
I do agree with you but as a framework the conceptual model should allow any communities to decide if they want an army or not. Costa Rica don't have any army for 60 years and they spend all their taxes on free healthcare and education. For sure they paradoxically get protected by US Marines for drugs case by example, but giving the right to any community to manage themselves as they decide together is important to me. Also if a community without army change its mind and want a defense program they can enable it with different kind of tool such a the Electronic Voting Application we talked above.
Therefore, I think the first site would be a demo with limited issues to be voted on (in the beginning) that would gradually expand and garner more attention as it goes along. It could then be expanded, 'perhaps' to municipalities, but that would be way in the future, and to start with that or even aim for that at this stage would throw countries into civil wars. Countries that have managed municipalities/states with their own laws/'autonomous' provinces, have massive centralized control, although it may not look to be so on the surface.
Once again I don't agree. The software should focus on providing basic services such as Internet without any censorship (through IPFS protocol ipfs.io) and payment (using Bitcoin protocol). And then build on top of it new Apps to empower more and more until the Electronic Voting Apps and such. But I do believe that Crypto-ID, Crypto-Passport, Crypto-Social Messaging (using Bitmessage?) and such are important as fondation to make DAG happen.
Second, to experience DAG we'll have to prototype it and prove that this experience work such as Bitcoin experience (that last for 6 years now) is suitable. By example Electronic Voting Application with Bitcoin could work theoretically but no project has seen the light of the day. To make Electronic Voting a reality we'll have to build it, test, fail, enhance, test, fail, ... until we get it right. Same have to happen with DAG and DAM.
I see DAG much more like a framework for DAM to communicate together. We might need only one DAG for multiple DAMs and this for the entire solar system scale. Or maybe multiple DAGs for each city and megacity without any central government.
I can see your vision here, like circles of concentric circles overlapping ever more accurately in their spheres of influence/use, but I think we're getting way to caught up on the terms, DAG/DAM's and possible future applications. We just need one workable
A. Website
B. Blockchain API
C. App
D. Volunteers to write discourses/papers in yes/no votes on upcoming issues.
I think we can start right at the beginning with a simple landing page targeting to the Proof of Concept "white paper" version 1 and keep going without worrying about programming. Then the more our ideas spread, the more the PoC going the right direction, we might unleash next step. The white paper doesn't need tech information, but should be short (as length as Satoshi's white paper) and obvious (similar to Nick Szabo article describing a Bitcoin-like protocol while Bitcoin wasn't released).
The results of the first true version of democracy - now workable unlike any other point in history - can then be displayed in bar graphs, pie charts, and so on. If nothing else, the sites would become a mirror of the will of the people that could be used as a tool to question politicians on their decisions and also hold them accountable for decisions they should have made (I mean verbally accountable, not 'string-'em-up' accountable.)
People use to think the first democracy to be born in Athens. The true is more complicated. Humans experienced different kind of democracy everywhere in the world at any time before the emerging society we know (there was democracy during Dark Ages). By example, Igbo democracy that as been crushed by the British Empire where women had powered over men. For sure we're not experiencing democracy today compared to what politics say.
An initially basic 'where do you want your tax to go' voting system could/should also be implemented, with a fair broad breakdown of departments/services etc. This would not have to be denominated in currency at this stage, more of the view of '40% to education, 23% to healthcare', and so on. But the point is, from that data one very comprehensive pie chart can be generated and then be compared to annual government spending.
Good question. Shouldn't the community to be able to decide how to spend their budget? Already expressed my opinion and I think that only ONE tax on any transactions (huge or small) would be simple and clearer. Todays when governments reach recession they can use 3 tools to get growth back: taxpayer, deleting debt or taxing rich people. We witness politics making more household tax instead of to use the two others tools.
It is true to say that not everyone in any society wants/will vote. I think that is fair and valid. The no-votes count as an opinion/stance in and of themselves, a stance that governments conveniently ignore. Some times on the ticking ballot paper 'None of the above.' is the only valid choice. I just imagine after people 'actually' feel engaged and empowered by choice in their countries' direction, that will change by a very large percentage.
Maybe, as I said before, we should reinvent government and go beyond voting.
For my own part, I think it might be folly to try to create this using a new chain. I would choose a chain that many people already have a vested interest in keeping, and which has already stood some measure of test of time, I cast my vote down for the Bitcoin blockchain.
I'm 100% with you. Bitcoin blockchain is the way to go imo. Maybe a meta-coin such as Mastercoin or Namecoin could be a model.
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