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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 31, 2014, 03:28:47 AM
@suchmoon you replied:
I wouldn't trust anything that can be changed by knowing just my address, which is not supposed to be secret in the first place. I can put it in my signature like utahjohn here and that should not mean I don't get paid today.

my reply:  I had not considered that before I proposed the idea Smiley  Indeed this could be used as a vector for pool attack ... but isn't "userpass" submitted with every share submitted and would negate the effect of someone else hijacking your address to change your threshold? And thus attacker would have to be mining for you I don't understand the inner workings of stratum protocol.  Correct me if I am wrong.

And explain to me how this could be a problem and potential exploit, it would still be shares going to your payout address ...  

Depending on how it works it might be enough to send just one share at an appropriate time. Not easy to pull off and kind of pointless, but so is a DDOS.

If you don't think it's a risk, how about another scenario. Let's say I have 20 rigs pointed at waffle and decided I don't want a 2-day payout anymore and would like daily instead. Or the other way around. Change config on each and restart just to change the payout schedule? What if the rigs end up with different settings, accidentally or otherwise?

I think it's just not the type of setting that's suitable for configuring at the mining software level.

Thanks for the reply.  Again something I had not considered as I have only one mining rig.  So this would have to be done at stratum server level and would terribly complicate things by needing user registration to manage such things as someone suggested  (I nodded off and fell asleep watching TV and did not notice your reply for a while).  Well it was a thought anyway for PW to reduce his transaction costs and make him more money.

If user registration becomes required, might as go all the way and make options for payout coin at a specific threshold and trading options so you can hold coins until user selected threshold is reached or let it be traded to BTC automatically.


IMO WP should not overcomplicate thiings...
Registration is a way of complicate things... Keep it anonimous, keep it simple...

And no mandatory crypsy account...

There is so many to enhance why complicate stuff... Lets work on the profits....

LPC





22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 30, 2014, 06:36:14 PM
So... Its not worth it for the price they are asking (200€) right?

I wouldn't buy them at 200 EUR. But do your own math with your assumptions, risk tolerance, opportunity cost etc.



I know they are a bit overpriced (a lot!), but what is crushing me is the energy bill...

I have currently a system doing 1200w for 2.5 mhash and another for 1000w doing 1.8 mhs...
Plus my main systems with 1.7mhash doing 700w

So it s a lot of consuption... If that gridseed costed 200€ but have 660khash, that would be a good alternative, but for now i donīt think so...

Too low khash for so much money...

LPC
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 30, 2014, 06:11:18 PM
Again, sorry it has to happen, feel free to rant about how this is the end of WP/multipools/etc, it wasn't a decision made lightly.

Seriously, if you could do what you did with 1% I'm sure the extra percent will result in more profits for miners. Thank you for your honesty.

Actually, it will result in 1% less profit for miners, but regardless, it is still within a reasonable range for poolwaffle's services rendered.


As suggested a raise to 1.5% for fee would be accepted more readily than 2% which might be a make or break decision for some miners.  Changing to weekly payouts sounds like an interesting idea suggested by ? (I am still waking up and a bit foggy atm LOL).

If change to weekly payouts gets accepted, let an automated trading bot play with my unpaid earnings between payouts.  Looking at haasbot there are "insurance" options that help with determining if a trade should be made or not.

Hi!
Im up to 1.5% and 2 days payout... not 5 days payout...

Regards,

LPC
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 30, 2014, 06:03:28 PM
So not worth it?
750Ti do that too for 70w right?

I see here insane prices on Ebay.co for that round stuff (5 chips 7 watts?).

Best Regards,

LPC


I'm afraid that the Gridseed "round stuff" (330-360 KH/s) is not going to be profitable if purchased at > $150, and even below $150 it's a risk since it can only do 1 thing - mine Scrypt. Of course it's all speculation, nobody can predict how difficulties, exchange rates, ASIC development, and everything else will evolve.

750 Ti is a fine piece of hardware, but it does use ~5 times the power of the Gridseed (not quite 70W, I think it's closer to 50W) and produces less hashrate, so it will become unprofitable much sooner. However it can do other things, such as Scrypt-N. Or play games. It will always have more value than a Gridseed. And there is no doubt that NVIDIA will come out with something more powerful based on Maxwell, which could make a difference.

So... Its not worth it for the price they are asking (200€) right?

Btw, i spy pic of the China GridSeed Farm! Smiley this is just one part of it...



LPC


25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 30, 2014, 05:39:21 PM
I have been thinking...

One solution to my power problem, is to change slowly my machines for some usb asic crap...

If they cost $70 per stick for 330khash, 10 will do $700 (cost of a system) and do 3.3 mhash.
Ofc they are not that fast, but for me is a deal breaker.... 70W of power consuption and no heat or noise...

I might change all my rigs alltogheter...

They could really help on these hard times of low profitability... because they remove the killer element of the equation... (the power bill!).

What do you guyīs think?

And btw where can i get those gridseed usb sticks?

Best Regards,

LPC


The only Scrypt ASIC available now is Gridseed, and these cost $150-200 for 330 KH/s, not $70, and are not USB "sticks". There is a USB stick for ~$70 but it can do only ~60 KH/s.

So not worth it?
750Ti do that too for 70w right?

I see here insane prices on Ebay.co for that round stuff (5 chips 7 watts?).

Best Regards,

LPC


26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 30, 2014, 05:37:43 PM
We've been the lowest fee profit-switching pool since our start, but we do have to raise the pool fee from 1%, to 2%.

In an effort to keep with the transparency that this pool has always tried to put forth, a full explanation of the reasoning/rationality follows.

Essentially, it is nearly impossible to run the pool the way I'd like it to be run at a 1% fee.  Of that fee, a huge portion comes off the top immediately to exchange fees.  Using cryptsy as the example because most of our exchanging happens there, we lose 0.3% immediately.  We also lose a bit (depending on the coin) to transaction fees to get coins from our account, to the exchange, a bit more from the exchange to our bitcoin account, and a decently large chunk in bitcoin fees (this has gone down in 0.9, but its still a decent amount with our volume of low-priority coins) when we run payouts (and a lot more on sundays when we run 0.001 minimums).

After all of these fees, plus hosting costs (which have doubled due to the DDOS and constant attacks on our boxes), DDOS protection, server monitoring, etc, we're left with an extremely small amount for actually running the pool.  At the end of the day, with me working on the pool for 40hrs/wk (a very conservative estimate), I'm looking at what amounts to a manager's job at walmart.  Except the manager at walmart doesn't get woken up nightly due to server pages.

Essentially, for me to be able to justify the amount of work I put in on wafflepool, I need to raise the fees.

I've been wrestling with the decision for a few weeks now, and during the start of the DDOS/attacks was at the point of saying "fuck this, its just not worth the stress", but decided to fight through it and get 3hrs of sleep a night for the week.  We're back, and today is our best profit day in a while (thank god for bad luck streaks...), but its at this point that I need to raise the fees to make it worth it to run in the future.

2% seems reasonable to me.  It matches almost all of our competitors (who were smart enough to do it in the beginning), and isn't a huge change to the end user (1% to 2% isn't a major change in profitability).  And allows me to sink more work into the pool without feeling screwed at the end of the day.

Again, sorry it has to happen, feel free to rant about how this is the end of WP/multipools/etc, it wasn't a decision made lightly.

HI PW, i completly understand your situation, i have the same feeling but in another case, when the profits allmost donīt cover the electricity bill...
I have been fighting myself about what to do with all my money invested....

Some times im like you "fuck this"... By i still have hopes that the profits can come up and still be able to keep at least recup the investment (im not rich im just a guy trying to live...).
So in the end, i believe 2% is perfectly fair (1.5% you be more adequade), so be it!

Sorry for my poor english, this is not my native language, so im trying to convey my message the best i can!

Keep up the good work (and think about and Scrypt-N pool alternative too).

Best Regards,

LPC



27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 30, 2014, 03:36:29 PM
I have been thinking...

One solution to my power problem, is to change slowly my machines for some usb asic crap...

If they cost $70 per stick for 330khash, 10 will do $700 (cost of a system) and do 3.3 mhash.
Ofc they are not that fast, but for me is a deal breaker.... 70W of power consuption and no heat or noise...

I might change all my rigs alltogheter...

They could really help on these hard times of low profitability... because they remove the killer element of the equation... (the power bill!).

What do you guyīs think?

And btw where can i get those gridseed usb sticks?

Best Regards,

LPC
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 29, 2014, 06:01:50 PM


Is the profits better on that coins?
Is very discoraging investing so much money (that i didnīt have so i use a loan), and now the market is so bad... bad.. bad...

Any good pool for Vert coins?

Thanks is advance...

Best Regards,

LPC


   Well the profit in VTC is very volatile, but yes I've made more money there the last weeks, but now is also very low. I dont really care about now, I think about next months, so we have to wait a bit, now all is changing. If in one month or so scrypt N coins are not profitable, I will just stop GPU mining.  On Ebay GPU's still have a good price to recover some money. I've also heard a new generation of GPU's that will use half power are just coming, so our GPU's are not a solid investment for a long time at all.

Im on the same boat...
Maybe i split 50/50 on waflle and on vert ?

What is killing me is the fuxing energy costs.... nothing more...

Best Regards,

LPC

29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 29, 2014, 04:23:52 PM
Hi!

Guess its time to shut down my farm, if the prices get bellow of 0.005 per mh, its no profitable to mine, the cost of electricity will eat away any profit!

My questions are...
- Show i sell the mining rigs? Im asking that because i donīt know if the value will ever come up to 0.01 per 1 mh.
- There is any alternative atm?

- I have atm 4 rigs and 8.3 mhash of combined processing power

I just feel i have missed a train... i started in January and since that time it have come downhilll... value of alt-coins lowered, btc price crashed...
Now what?


Best Regards,

LPC

    In my opinion the gridseed will kick gpu's from Scrypt, same as before the Asics kicked the Gpu from sha coins.  I've said that before and some users said that will never happen, well, I'm not an expert but I think this is already happening, slowly yes, but just wait a bit the next gridseed generation.
   Gpu's will need to move, I did it already, I just mine Scrypt-N coins, waiting to maybe wafflepool or another one makes a multipool of Scrypt-N coins.



Is the profits better on that coins?
Is very discoraging investing so much money (that i didnīt have so i use a loan), and now the market is so bad... bad.. bad...

Any good pool for Vert coins?

Thanks is advance...

Best Regards,

LPC




30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 29, 2014, 02:59:43 PM
Hi!

Guess its time to shut down my farm, if the prices get bellow of 0.005 per mh, its no profitable to mine, the cost of electricity will eat away any profit!

My questions are...
- Show i sell the mining rigs? Im asking that because i donīt know if the value will ever come up to 0.01 per 1 mh.
- There is any alternative atm?

- I have atm 4 rigs and 8.3 mhash of combined processing power

I just feel i have missed a train... i started in January and since that time it have come downhilll... value of alt-coins lowered, btc price crashed...
Now what?


Best Regards,

LPC
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 28, 2014, 12:27:20 AM
Hi!
Does anyone knows what is happening to BTC?

Is droping like a rock!

LPC
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GUIMiner-scrypt: A GUIMiner fork for mining scrypt chains on: March 27, 2014, 01:59:33 PM
Hi!
There are some bugs to iron out Taco:

a) Sometimes the app donīt restore... Simply stays hidden on the taskbar, even by forcing it not appears, closing and opening the app, seems to "fix" the problem, but sometimes it happens again
b) There should be a warning to confirm the removal of the miner just after we wrongly press the "X" inside the app. Another solution is to hidden the X inside the context option when we do Right Click to rename ou duplicate.
c) The console is allways being updated and we cant seem to pull the log up, because it allways refresh down...

There could be more bugs, but these are the most obvious...
For the features to add please consider those:

a) Auto-Restart the miners by the following options:
1) defined hash power (or drop on hash power), defined time, defined periods of time (Auto-Restart miners on timer).

b) Auto-Restart + Auto-Run the Windows + App, defined by: hour, or period of time (exemple, Programable reboot windows timer - restarting the system 2x per day and auto-restart the app win entering windows).

c) Better information on the sumary box (some graph or somekind of information of the speed of various miners).

d) Maybe a connection with some stats for the more famous multipools (WafflePool, Clevermining, MiddleCoin)

e) the same with the BTC currency exchanges (BitStamp, BTC-E, etc..)

f) Better identification of the cards (if possíble by brand of model identification)

g) there are some profiles lacking in the AMD range (donīt have NVIDIA, so i donīt know that one).

h) Extra field for a second backup pool if the main one falls, and auto-change to main pool if the same is back online (that can allready be done in the flags camp, but i belive that a extra field would be much more intuitive and easyer).

i) Time delayed after app starts to run the miners (for 10 or more seconds for example)

j) Auto-Retry on connection errors (defined value Check in X Seconds and Check X times before move to second pool)


There are some more features that would be great on GUI Miner, but these are the most needed ones...
Thanks for your time and efford! Smiley

Best Regards,

LPC


Hi!
Any news for us Taco?

Best Regards,

LPC
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 27, 2014, 12:57:04 PM
Hi!
Due to the fact that the profits are a little down here on waffle, i have (epic) splited my hash power with Clevermining.

5 Mhash each one... Lets see who wins the profit battle...

LPC
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 25, 2014, 12:47:59 AM
U.S. west is still down   Huh

Just looked and my hashrate dropped to Nil again Sad

Recent Shifts
ID    Ended    Shares (yours / total)    Blocks Found
15643    OPEN    0 / 18895360    1
15642    2014-03-25 00:13:46    0 / 50270208    1
15641    2014-03-25 00:04:21    0 / 50136576    1
15640    2014-03-24 23:55:21    1024 / 50039296    0
15639    2014-03-24 23:46:51    5120 / 50228224    0

DDOS stopped for about 30min, and its back again.  I've got new boxes up in place, should be able to mine right now on new endpoints. Just make sure to bust any DNS cache you have (restart the miner should do it).

Fuxing DDOS attacks...
So what is needed from us miners to get that new endpoints?

Restart the miners?

Hold tight PW! Smiley

LPC
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 24, 2014, 07:47:42 PM
Seems to be back up...

And down again....

Sad

LPC
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 22, 2014, 03:03:37 PM

Did something new happend? Why are we seeing this kind of value crash?

Nothing is crashing, the value is going down, then it goes back up. Please, do some research on what a crash is, and then look at how [un]stable cryptocoins have been. People sell in mass quantities, which affect the value, people mine in mass quantities, etc..

I am pretty sure most miners realized alt coin pool profitability would be a flash in the pan as markets have a tendency to eliminate these types of conditions. Going forward i doubt alt coin pools will soundly beat just mining litecoin/dogecoin combo.
I think a lot of miners have no clue what they are doing. The posts in this thread and other forums prove my point. Some have no clue have economics play out, others have no clue technical wise.

Every other post is someone looking at a chart, "OMG" and thinking coin XY is crashing.

So please enlight me, ohhh enlighted one...

I understand how markets work, but the downfall of the generic Alt-Coin must be more of just selling in mass quantities and saturating the market...

LPC
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 22, 2014, 02:10:46 PM
Whoa...
I have been out a few days in work, and have returned...

I have auto-worked my farm, but after i analise the data, is just me, or the value of the crypto coins, have plunged?
The profitability is really on the line of water (0.005 per 1 Mh for the KWh that is needed to mine it).

Also BTC is loosing value really fast! 556 Dolars?

Did something new happend? Why are we seeing this kind of value crash?

In my case if the value lowers to 0.004 i will shut down the farm, and wait for the coins to recover some value...

Best Regards,

LPC
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 20, 2014, 01:10:32 PM
i can see what you are saying,  so as ltc was the asnwer to BTC becoming too high in difficulty due to ASICS we gotta wait and see what the answer to LTC is against the coming ASICS., if there is a such a coin that stands a chance and pools can adapt to it that would be the new standard...

An easy way of making ASICs unprofitable is to design algorithms that require large memory buffers and that have performance bound by memory bandwidth rather than arithmetic.  ASICs provide the greatest benefits for algorithms that are arithmetic-bound, and they provide the least benefits for algorithms that are bound by memory bandwidth.  By combining a large size memory buffer with random access patterns, we would get a level playing field that evolves very slowly.  GPUs of today have 200-300GB/s memory bandwidth which has only increased by a small margin generation-to-generation.  GPUs are expected to get a nice jump in bandwidth when memory technologies like die-stacked memory show up in a few years, but after that bandwidth growth will be very very slow again.  A large part of the complexity and cost in a GPU is the memory system, and this is something that is only feasible to build because millions of GPUs are sold per week.  By developing an algorithm that requires a hardware capability that is only cost-feasible in commodity devices that are manufactured in quantities of several million or more, it would push ASICs completely out, and keep them for a very long time, perhaps indefinitely.  It's one thing to fab an ASIC chip, it's another thing to couple it to a high-capacity high-bandwidth memory system.  If you design an algorithm that uses the "memory wall" as a fundamental feature, it will make ASICs no better than any other hardware approach.

Great Post and so true...

If they want a leveled plane of mining, that should be the way...

Best Regards,

LPC
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 17, 2014, 07:52:07 PM

bring the drama !

Do you really think we need a picture of a cat around here?

The internet gives everyone a place to voice their opinion.  The problem is everyone has an opinion.  And some have pictures of cats.


At least is Drama in 3D! Smiley

LPC! Smiley
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: March 17, 2014, 02:33:13 PM
Why does your hashrate jump all over the place?
Is that because of the coin, or the coins difficulty at the time?

Eg you were mining LTC at 30GH/s
Now you are Hashrate: 11.92 GH/s for Dodge?

Because we have a single miner who contributes close to 20GHs, and he jumps on/off whenever he chooses Smiley

WoAH... 20GHs of scrypt? I doubt thats 1 person.. This whole pools hashrate is 30Ghs with around 5000 people, Is that 20ghs included or that ramps up to 50ghs when there on... I cant see that being a single miner, is it possible to aim a private pool at this multipool or possibly 300 different miners with 1 address and they are working together..

WF confirmed, its just one guy! (maybe its the representative)...
I really would like to see pictures of this imense warehouse...

think about it... 20GHash! How many GPUīs would have to be to achive this kind of power...
Even with gridseed chips (5 per usb is 330khash), how many would be needed to archive the 20000 Mhash that is now!

Its just insane...

LPC



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