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21  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin and Sales tax on: February 17, 2015, 10:42:29 PM
Sales taxes, like all taxes, are paid in USD. If you buy something from me for $10+tax, but pay in Bitcoin and so send me x BTC, I'll have that x BTC converted to $10.86 by the payment processor and put in my bank. I'll then send that $0.86 off to the state at the end of the year. The only effect is x BTC got sold for $10.86. If I instead decide to hold the BTC, I would be sensible to convert at least some to $0.86 to pay my taxes.
22  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: If I sell my bitcoins do I have to pay vat on them ? on: February 13, 2015, 11:36:38 PM
If you are talking about capital gains taxes, then it depends on your country and how long you've owned the coins.

UK, for example, gains are taxed as income but not until the first £10,400. So unless you have more than that it gains, you don't have anything to report or pay. Germany taxes short-term gains, but anything over a year is exempt.

For VAT, if you sell something, you don't pay VAT you charge it. VAT is a tax added onto the price a consumer pays when purchasing from a VAT registered business. It is a pass-through tax that eventually goes to the government.

As an individual, you aren't VAT registered, and even if you were by running a business you still don't pay VAT on selling item, your buyers would pay it.

The whole "do Bitcoins sales incur VAT" question is currently being questioned in the EU courts (see http://www.bitcoin.se/2014/12/06/update-on-vat-case-in-eu-court-of-justice/) so we'll have to wait and see.

23  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Do I need to file a 1099 for my employees if they're paid in Bitcoin? on: February 11, 2015, 03:56:30 AM
If they are employees (opposed to contractors), then you are paying them in dollars but just the payment just happens to be in Bitcoins instead of cash, direct-deposit or jelly-beans. This dollar value is taxed and included on their W-2 like any other wage.

From your perspective it should be no different. If you normally pay them a fixed wage, you should use that dollar value and take any withholding. social security and Medicare taxes as normal. If you are paying them in fixed Bitcoins, you would need to calculate that dollar value as if you have paid them in cash, and calculate the appropriate taxes.

See Q11 in http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf
24  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: MtGox losses and tax deductions on: February 10, 2015, 01:01:39 AM
This is an interesting one, and the current thought is that you will have to claim MtGox coins as a casualty loss for their cost basis.

However, it's likely that you can't even do that this year since the bankruptcy process is ongoing and you might actually be awarded some values for your coins, albeit tiny. If that were the case, you could claim a capital loss. However, once they finalize the bankruptcy and creditors are paid off, (fiat balances may be paid something, I'm guessing coin balances will get nothing) then losses will be taken in that tax year.

They already said it will be at least 2015, so not you file in 2016 before you can add them to your tax forms.

If you do have casualty losses, first, you need to be able to prove the cost basis of those coins. This means you need good records of your past purchases to be able to identify the coins in MtGox that are gone. Remember you can only claim the original basis and not their market value.

Next, you have to reduce casualty losses by $100 and then 10% of your AGI. So if you had 10 coins that you had bought at $800, you aren't going to see anything if your AGI is $80k or less. 10x800 - 100 - (10% * 80,000) = -100. (This is for personal property.)

If you have large losses, speak to a tax attorney.
25  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How to pay taxes? on: January 29, 2015, 04:30:37 PM
From what I've gathered you have to pay capital gains on bitcoins from the time you acquired them to the time you spent them or cashed them out, but what if you only acquire them and do not spend them or cash them out? Is there anything required by the IRS come tax time?

If you only bought them, you do not need to do anything.

However, if you earned or mined them, they are treated as income at the fair value or their daily price

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I don't think you need to pay taxes on them since they were from back 2012-2013 unless you decide to cash them.
You must confirm it from a local CA

There are no time limits. You would need to refile past years if you had income to declare.

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Suppose , you bought 100 BTC at 1200$ during Mt. gox (and you have a receipt or transaction detail to show it to TO's ) and you sold them at let say 500$
and even if the amount is pretty high , you are not liable to pay tax since you didn't make any profit

You would definitely want to declare that, as you have $70,000 capital losses you can offset against other gains and a portion of your income. That's a $27k tax rebate (albeit over many years).

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So I'm assuming this means that I would be subject to these laws even before this notice was made public

These aren't new laws, they are clarifying existing ones, so they are retrospective.




26  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANN] BitcoinTaxes : Calculate capital gains taxes for crypto-coin trading on: January 12, 2015, 07:38:02 AM
BitcoinTaxes (formally bitcointaxes.info), the crypto-currency tax calculator has been updated to 2.0 ready for 2015.

https://bitcoin.tax/blog/bitcoin-taxes-v2-released/

  • Moved to bitcoin.tax
  • Adding income from Coinbase, BitPay, CEX.IO
  • Adding income from mining addresses with price lookup
  • Adding spending, donations and gift/tips from Coinbase, Core/Qt Wallets, Blockchain.info
  • Address and transaction viewer
  • Market prices for over 2,000 trading pairs
  • Support for Kraken
  • Optional like-kind treatment calculation
  • Automatic calculation of opening position and cost-basis
  • Income report
  • Donation/Gifts cost-basis report

You should consider including any coins you spend or sold at a loss during 2014 (in the US) on your taxes so you get a tax deduction. You can offset other gains as well as up to $3,000 each year.
27  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: KryptoTax for Miners ? Similar tools? IRS Notice 2014-21 q8 on: April 08, 2014, 01:18:46 AM
It's in development and will be in https://bitcointaxes.info hopefully by end April, along with a tracking service for purchasing.
28  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: US taxes- software to figure out capital gains on: April 01, 2014, 04:55:19 AM
I have premium and it looks great. Now when can I add my transaction history from wallets and get there value at the time mined? Pretty please?

I am literally working on it...but can't say it's going to be in before tax day, aiming for end April.
29  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANN] BitcoinTaxes.info : Calculate capital gains taxes for crypto-coin trading on: March 31, 2014, 04:29:09 PM
Would you consider supporting Bitfinex without an API key?

They now have a CSV export function.  I'm very reluctant to create an API key due to security.

Yes. I don't have much data to check it with. Can you contact me through the Feedback button and the site so I can get some samples files to make sure it's going to work.
30  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: If you play WoW, Eve or any other game with currency you now owe taxes!!! on: March 31, 2014, 07:53:45 AM
This is technically true.

It really isn't. You don't own WoW gold (which has no market value) and it is just a parameter of your account, which is wholly owned by Blizzard.
31  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Canada : Capital gain for your tax return for your trades on CaVirtex on: March 31, 2014, 07:52:11 AM
You can use https://bitcointaxes.info to calculate average cost basis for Canada for all our supported exchanges. We don't yet support CaVirtex but if you can get the CSV you can convert it into our general format and import it that way.
32  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: MtGox vs USA IRS question on: March 31, 2014, 07:47:51 AM
Ok, first, it's going to be a loss in 2014 (so for filing in 2015) not 2013. So there's nothing you can do right now anyway. It may even extend beyond that, we don't know.

If and when the bankruptcy is declared and you know what's going to happen, then you can take the loss of your coins. They are effectively sold for zero, unless you are given some compensation for your coins.

If you had downloaded your trading records, then you'll be able to work out the cost basis for those coins and report them as a loss. However, you can only claim the loss on the cost of the coins, not their worth. So if you bought 300 BTC at $10 each in Feb 2013, your loss is only $3k.

File it like any capital loss. You can offset any gains first, and then the remaining against your income up to $3k per year. You have to carry the remaining into the following years, where it can be offset against any amount of gains or income up to $3k.
33  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tax questions and speculation on: March 31, 2014, 07:41:15 AM
IRS specifically says wash sales applies to stock and securities. Sure, maybe they should, but they don't.
34  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Tax Questions on: March 28, 2014, 04:57:23 AM
This also probably triggers a "wash sale" if your bitcoin had depreciated since you bought it so that you can no longer claim the loss.

Wash sales aren't applicable to Bitcoins, only stocks and securities.
35  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: IRS Releases Tax Rules on BTC on: March 26, 2014, 04:07:23 PM
So, if I mined through 2013 at an average price of say $200/btc and put my coins on gox, then lost them with gox's closure when the price was ~$500 then...

I pay income tax on the $200/btc mined coins - my mining equipment and electricity expenses

Can I then claim property loss at the price when gox closed?

Dear IRS,

I have X coins stored on Mt Gox, and would love to pay my capital gains tax, but can't due to Mt Gox having all my records locked up.

Would you be so kind as to have a federal judge subpoena their records and let me know what I owe?

Bestest,

John Q. Public

The IRS rules are clear. It is your responsibility to keep records. If you don't, fail to report any taxes, and found out during an audit, you could face fraud or negligence charges with civil penalties.

I suggest you file for an extension and hope MtGox gives access in the next 6 months.
36  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Implication of the IRS ruling on trading gain / loss on: March 26, 2014, 04:04:34 PM
Gains / losses should be treated as capital gains? In other words, https://bitcointaxes.info calculates things correctly?

Nothing really changed as far as capital gains goes, with the exception of you absolutely do have to record every purchase you make, so you can calculate any potential gains.

Mining was clarified. Till now some people were treating it as manufactured stock, and so only realized income when sold. Not the case now. It's income the day it was mined. And any increase in value thereafter is capital gains.
37  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Most important thing from IRS ruling on BTC on: March 25, 2014, 10:31:39 PM
Really it's not much better though. Now you must keep perfect records, of incoming and outgoing transactions and the price points of each of those.   The complicates things so much that any thought of bitcoin becoming a household usage are thrown out the window.  Who is going to want to sit down and try figure out if they have capital gains/losses, on every transaction? 

You're right. It's complicated. Easy enough for trades with bitcointaxes, but purchases need to done too.

I'm sure wash rules apply as well..

Only applies to stock and securities.
38  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: IRS classifies bitcoin and crypto-currencies as property, not currency on: March 25, 2014, 09:28:25 PM

What's with the coffee cup example? Bitcoin is special and the 600 USD limit on property payments does not apply?


Owing gains and 1099 reporting (i.e. the $600) are not related.
39  Bitcoin / Legal / IRS classifies bitcoin and crypto-currencies as property, not currency on: March 25, 2014, 06:36:21 PM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf

Main points:

  • Bitcoin/crypto-currencies are property, not a currency, and so capital gains applies.
  • Spending coins is a tax event and must account for gains
  • Being paid in coins for goods/services is income, and treated as USD of the fair market value on the date of receipt.
  • Conversion calculations to USD must be reasonable and consistent.
  • Mined coins are income on the date of receipt at fair market value (i.e. they are not stock)

This is how https://bitcointaxes.info had been working out capital gains, so if you used it you don't need to change anything. But if you had already filed last year as a currency, you'll need to amend your return.
40  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: US taxes- software to figure out capital gains on: March 13, 2014, 07:06:57 PM

Is there open source software to figure out the long-term / short-term capital gains / losses?


https://bitcointaxes.info

  • imports trade history from MtGox, Coinbase, Bitstamp, BTC-e, Cryptsy, Bitfinex, Bitfloor, CampBX, LocalBitcoins
  • manual entry of trades
  • import/add cost basis for coins owned in 2012 or earlier
  • calculates short / long term capital gains
  • uses First-In-First-Out, average costing or "specific identification" (e.g. Last-In-First-Out)
  • exports data ready to enter on Schedule D Form 8949
  • exports TurboTax and TaxACT import data
  • multi-year support for traders before 2013
  • multi-currency support for your tax country: USD, GBP, EUR, CAD, AUD
  • calculates gains for alt-coin and cross-coin trading
  • shows closing positions balances and cost basis for next year
  • tax estimate calculations for US tax payers
  • free version for unlimited BTC trades and premium for alt-coins/multi-year

Coming soon:
  • support for UK, Canada, Australia, Germany tax rules
  • current year gain and tax liabilities
  • maintain purchase records from coin addresses
  • mining income calculators

If you are doing your own taxes, it would make sense to treat bitcoins / alt-coins as capital assets. Although I have read some accountants are filing as a currency but more so they can maximize the amount of taxes paid, to ensure their clients do not underpay. However, if you only have short term gains, you will be paying the maximum anyway.

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