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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GEMZ - Unmoderated thread on: June 06, 2016, 01:51:03 AM
After some research it appears these are the guys who each controlled one of the addresses of the funds:

22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GEMZ - Unmoderated thread on: June 05, 2016, 05:54:54 PM
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You misunderstand the chat conversation.

The remaining funds (25%) of the last milestone (advertising platform) are still held in a 2 of 3 multi-sig wallet with keys held by Koinify, GetGems and Adam (arbitrator) - we're working hard on completing this last milestone.

50% of the total bitcoins were converted to dollars on March 2015 and held by Circle with contractual obligation to release the funds only upon Adams approval. This was done to hedge against the bitcoin volatility (bitcoin price fell to 152$ on January 14) in order to be able to plan a budget for the company. [We avoided the the mistake Ethereum has done: http://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-bitcoin-decline-9-million-funding-shortfall/]


Obviously you are a "latecomer" to the Getgems scene. Do me a favor and do a little research before posting?

You can read these 287 pages on the original Getgems board. After that, come back and post.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758004.0

Selling half the bitcoin was a stupid decision. Contractual obligation written on toilet paper? Multi-sig wallet that you can't share the address to? Their lack of transparency must be really reassuring to their investors...
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GEMZ - Unmoderated thread on: June 05, 2016, 03:51:36 PM
If been away from the project for a while...thanks for the compliment.

I read only a week ago Daniel said the last milestone was done so I wondered as I'm now unfamiliar where the project is in time there still might be one last quarter payment still in Koinifys hands.

My actual point is IF you compare promises of AE to actual reality of a Telegram group then I think Koinify might be open to returning BTC held for Daniel because anyone with a clue can see they haven't really really kept their side of the bargain....come on only an idiot could say AE was as advertised and promised. If anyone can pull some shit out of their ass and say hey heres the massive project I promised then anyone can do it. The fact is they didn't fulfil and surely the whole point of Koinify was to hold get gems to their word?


Instead of arguing is there any funds left held by Koinify? Time is important now.

A quick Google search reveals that Koinify shut down on February 15, 2016: http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2016/01/80540-wipe-out-koinify-closes-down-its-cryptocurrency-crowdfunding-platform/

I couldn't find any info on when Koinify released the funds to Getgems, nor the multisig address where they stored the funds. So the final 'Koinify-audited' release of milestone funding was just reached, although Koinify ceased to exist almost 4 months ago. Makes one wonder, who exactly released the funding? Looks like you investors may have been duped by Tom Ding of Koinify as well. Did anyone try to contact him? The thing I don't get is why the victims aren't taking action instead of twiddling their thumbs and sulking. These guys are involved in other projects that can be affected by negative publicity and legal action. If they're allowed to get away with this they'll just do the same thing to others in the future.
24  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egyptian police arrest a man for trading bitcoin on localbitcoin on: June 04, 2016, 02:11:37 PM
just trading bitcoin is not illegal anywhere in the world as far as i know, and so far all the arrests or problems with the law that i have seen was another type of problem like (most times) tax evasion, or money laundering, or scamming people, and other crimes which has nothing to do with bitcoin trading.

There are some countries that have issued bans on using Bitcoin according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country
25  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egyptian police arrest a man for trading bitcoin on localbitcoin on: June 04, 2016, 02:44:50 AM
btc2okpay was a scammer , you can find many scam accusations against him: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=626733

Involved in money laundering , he was just using bitcoin as a means to swap currencies locally. Finally got caught.

Scam thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=626733

Please get your facts right before you throw in lies

Im the owner of btc2okpay account on localbitcoins , some1 is using my nickname here on bitcointalk.org to scam ppls , its not me , i have 100% feedback and hundreds of trades on localbitcoins , how come i would scam some1 for 366 euro ...its some1 who used my known name to scam

So you were the one arrested?
26  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egyptian police arrest a man for trading bitcoin on localbitcoin on: June 03, 2016, 10:38:11 PM
Although the article doesn't specify what he was charged with, they do allude to what he was suspected of before taking action.

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بإستكمال الفحص الفنى تبين قيام المذكور بالإتجار فى العملات النقدية الأجنبية والقيام بتحويلات نقدية بإستخدام عملة " بيتكوين " مقابل الدولار

"With the completion of the technical analysis, it was apparent that the aforementioned individual was trading in foreign cash currencies, and carrying out cash exchanges, trading the currency 'bitcoin', for the dollar."
27  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egyptian police arrest a man for trading bitcoin on localbitcoin on: June 03, 2016, 03:52:19 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-egypt-dollars-blackmarket-idUSKCN0XI1W9

CAIRO | BY ASMA ALSHARIF

Egypt's war on black market currency traders is not going to plan. One month after a devaluation that was supposed to ease an acute dollar shortage in the banking system, clandestine business is booming in cafes, shops and flats.

The central bank, which hoped the 13 percent devaluation would relieve downward pressure on the Egyptian pound, has cracked down on exchange bureaux trading far outside its set range.

And yet the gap between the official and black market rates, which briefly narrowed with the devaluation, is now wider than ever, with dealers buying and selling dollars for 20 percent or more above the official rate of 8.78 pounds.

Traders say the crackdown has only exacerbated the crisis. People with dollars are shunning the official financial system, starving it of foreign currency. This is putting yet more pressure on the pound, with potentially dire consequences for inflation, investors' confidence and economic growth.

"No one sells dollars to the banks any more. They all prefer to go to the black market which will pay them more," said one banker who asked to remain anonymous. "The dollars don't come into the banking system any more and the central bank's dollar reserves are not enough to support the country's import needs."

Egypt has struggled to restore growth since the 2011 uprising that toppled President Hosni Mubarak scared away tourists and foreign investors - vital sources of the foreign currency it needs to import everything from fuel to food.

Eradicating the black market is essential to restoring investors' confidence, easing the risk that the pound's volatility will erase their profits.

Already, foreign investors are struggling to repatriate earnings because the central bank's reserves have more than halved since 2011 to about $16.5 billion in March. This has made it hard for them to convert pound earnings into foreign currency through the banking system.

Even before last month's devaluation, which was accompanied by the launch of financial instruments aimed at attracting hard currency to the banks, the central bank had resorted to legal force. In February, it revoked the licenses of four exchange companies with 27 offices.

Since then, the expected influx of dollars has failed to materialize and this month it referred 15 more exchange firms to public prosecutors. Then on Wednesday the central bank said it had revoked the licenses of nine more companies for manipulating prices of dollars in the parallel market.

REPEATED OFFENCES

"The decision ... comes after repeated offences by these companies which distorted the exchange market and has harmed the national economy," said Gamal Negm, deputy central bank governor, in remarks published by the state news agency MENA.

Negm added that the bank is working on a new law that could raise the punishment for violators to a prison sentence.

Bankers say the clampdown has backfired because as it became riskier to deal on the black market, the dollar strengthened against the pound and people began hoarding foreign currency to speculate on the rate. This pushed the U.S. currency yet higher, and the pound hit a record low of 11.50 to the dollar this week.

"Traders are speculating on the dollar and those who need dollars for imports can't find the dollars and must buy them from traders and speculators, so the black market rate is putting the Egyptian economy in a tight spot," said Ziad Waleed, an economist at Beltone Financial.

Any further official devaluation would threaten to fuel inflation, a politically explosive development in a country where millions live in poverty. That leaves the central bank with few weapons in its arsenal.

One trader described the situation as a standoff, saying that while the central bank is trying to punish black market dealers, it does not have the resources to fight them.

"We will secure ourselves and we will continue to work and we will do it carefully, as if we were dealing in drugs. We will hoard the dollars and we won't sell. Where will the central bank get dollars from?" he said.

EASY EVASION

Just a few blocks away from one Cairo exchange bureau, a trader sipped coffee at a downtown cafe as he closed deals over the telephone away from the prying eyes of the authorities.

"Do you have riyals?" he asked another trader, quoting the black market rate for the Saudi currency. "I will take all of it."

This is one example of how easily traders are adapting to tighter oversight.

They quote official rates at the exchange bureaux, which are closely monitored, without making any deals. Business is then done at cafes or elsewhere at black market rates, dealers said.

Outside the bureaux, young men puff on cigarettes and whisper to customers: "Dollars? Euros?"

"No one buys or sells at the official rate, so as soon as the customer leaves there are guys standing outside to catch them and deal with the unofficial rates," said another exchange bureau manager in downtown Cairo.

It should be easy to clamp down on these men, but traders say agents of the Interior Ministry's General Department of Public Funds Crime Investigation Unit, which is responsible for tackling illegal trading outside the bureaux, are easily bribed.

Reuters spoke to 10 traders who either work, own, or collaborate with exchange bureaux and all said that their operations run smoothly thanks to bribes and favors that are given to Public Funds forces and central bank employees.

"It does not put a dent in profits," said one exchange bureau worker, adding that a single branch of the company he works for makes around 6 million Egyptian pounds ($675,680 at the official rate or about $522,000 on the black market) in profit each month on black market trades alone.

The Interior Ministry spokesman did not respond to requests for comment and officials at the central bank, which does not have a spokesman, were not available for comment.

Exchange bureaus are licensed to operate with a certain amount of funds but most have offices or apartments where business is carried out off the books.

"If they close the exchange bureaux we will continue to work from the streets and this way the dollar price will reach 13 or 15 pounds per dollar," one trader said.

LUGGAGE SHOPS AND CARS

President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi has made economic revival a priority but is also mindful of protecting the poor, with his government slowing cuts to subsidies which keep down some food and fuel prices but burden the budget.

If the central bank is forced into repeated devaluations to keep up with the black market, this would be a nightmare for authorities trying to stabilize the economy.

But so is the current situation, where the public sector functions at an official exchange rate wholly disconnected from the rest of the economy which has to deal on the black market.

Black market activity is fast and efficient.

In Cairo, a luggage store manager took 20,000 pounds from his wooden desk in return for $2,000, a deal made with a customer who had been turned down at the exchange bureau next door. The operation took under a minute.

One trader showed Reuters a car he uses to transfer funds to clients in rubbish bags hidden in the boot. "The largest amount this car carried is the equivalent of 11 million Egyptian pounds," he said proudly.
28  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egyptian police arrest a man for trading bitcoin on localbitcoin on: June 03, 2016, 12:22:05 AM
I don't trust facebook at all.
Has anyone a link to an article from a respected news source? Any language would be accepted.

http://www.elnadanews.com/Egypt/421217.html
http://www.misr-eg.com/egypt/68187.html

29  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egyptian police arrest a man for trading bitcoin on localbitcoin on: June 02, 2016, 07:27:58 PM
I was setting up simple buy bitcoin with NRS in my country Nepal but after seeing this i may first get one lawer and financial advisor before i open this service to public. THere isn't any rule about cryptocurrency so i may not get problem as suggested by financial advisor of my company. I think if i get problem about similar foreign currency exchange rule than it will be pain in my ass. Roll Eyes

its best to go through an exchange for buying or selling bitcoins for many reasons..
one of the reasons is all the legitly problems are on the exchanges shoulders not yours.

That may not be possible in some countries. The Egyptian government has imposed limits on credit card spending amounts. Even legitimate businessmen are unable to pay for imports because of bank shortages of US dollars, forcing them to turn to black market exchangers and sometimes travelling with large amounts of money to deliver it in person.

I found a thread on another forum discussing Bitcoin being banned in Egypt, although they don't offer any information beyond the original article: http://www.borsaat.com/vb/t949261.html
30  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egyptian police arrest a man for trading bitcoin on localbitcoin on: June 02, 2016, 03:51:36 PM
did i undertood that right?
The guy was selling some bitcoins, the buyer(police) ask for a meeting and he goes?

If i were in localbitcoins selling some, i would never go to a meeting... the whole point of this is anonymity.

He wasn't the seller, the police were. The whole point of localbitcoins is to be able to engage in physical exchanges of BTC with others.

Maybe he is selling bitcoin bitcoin for not a provably fair price thats why he arrested or there's someone who reported that he selling bitcoin for not provably fair price..

The article says the cyber crimes unit of the security services lured him. It doesn't mention anything about someone reporting him. It says that the police arrested "one" of those people who use Bitcoin, so I'd imagine that they are going after anyone who deals in BTC. It's not just BTC either - the government is trying to slow down the devaluation of the Egyptian pound and are cracking down on anyone who sells foreign currencies for more than the official rates.
31  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egyptian police arrest a man for trading bitcoin on localbitcoin on: June 02, 2016, 03:43:21 PM
It's the official Facebook page for the Egyptian Ministry of Interior.

Basically the article says a 30 year-old Egyptian dentist, which it names as Ahmad A. H., was arrested for trading in foreign currencies. The security services contacted him on localbitcoin, and arranged an exchange of $13,900 for BTC at a rate of $570/btc. They met him in New Cairo and arrested him. He had $13,900 USD on him and a tablet, as well as pictures of various exchanges and deposits. The article concludes saying he confessed to the incident confirming that he was using the tablet and money to buy Bitcoin, and that he was put in front of the public prosecutor.

The article doesn't specify what the exact charge is, but it does mention trading in foreign currencies several times. Many of the comments refer to the government as ignorant or stupid, and asking where is the crime?
So trading in foreign currency was also an actual charge? If that's the case it's pretty weird that they can prosecute you for that... 

The decline of tourists and foreign investors in Egypt has lead to a shortage of foreign currency, and the banks are unable to keep up with the demand. Many people turn to black market exchangers, who sell foreign currency at higher rates than the banks. This has caused the value of the Egyptian pound to slide lower and lower. The government doesn't want people selling foreign currencies at anything other than the official rates and is cracking down on black market exchangers. I doubt this is a battle the government can win though as the currency black market is huge there. Bitcoin use is going up too.
32  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egyptian police arrest a man for trading bitcoin on localbitcoin on: June 02, 2016, 03:20:41 PM
The demand for foreign currencies is very high in Egypt as people there are trying to hedge against the decline of the Egyptian pound. The banks can't keep up with the demand and black market exchangers charge more than the banks, further weakening the Egyptian pound. The Egyptian government is cracking down on everyone illegally exchanging foreign currencies at rates that differ from the governments official ones.

EDIT: I speak Arabic and can translate. The first paragraph gives a rough explanation of Bitcoin and mentions that it's use in Egypt has been increasing recently. The second and third paragraphs talk about the identity of the user and how he was lured. The article goes on to explain how he was nabbed and what he had on him; I already summarized it in my previous post.
33  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egyptian police arrest a man for trading bitcoin on localbitcoin on: June 02, 2016, 02:56:05 PM
It's the official Facebook page for the Egyptian Ministry of Interior.

Basically the article says a 30 year-old Egyptian dentist, which it names as Ahmad A. H., was arrested for trading in foreign currencies. The security services contacted him on localbitcoin, and arranged an exchange of $13,900 for BTC at a rate of $570/btc. They met him in New Cairo and arrested him. He had $13,900 USD on him and a tablet, as well as pictures of various exchanges and deposits. The article concludes saying he confessed to the incident confirming that he was using the tablet and money to buy Bitcoin, and that he was put in front of the public prosecutor.

The article doesn't specify what the exact charge is, but it does mention trading in foreign currencies several times. Many of the comments refer to the government as ignorant or stupid, and asking where is the crime?
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GEMZ - Unmoderated thread on: May 31, 2016, 02:08:04 AM
I would also suggest downloading the app and using it. See for yourself how "awesome" it is. Get your free Gem daily. View the ads in the ad channel and earn more gems. Invite your friends and start getting a daily "airdrop". Don't forget about the bitcoin wallet....store your bitcoin in the app. I'll admit it was a little buggy in the beginning, but it's working flawlessly now and awaiting the masses!! There is much more to come with the Attention Economy and Getgems Keyboard. 155,000 users now, I expect it to keep growing exponentially. Ignore the "Back-seat driving disgruntled trolls" who twist the truth and have no clue about the vision Daniel has for Getgems/Getgems Keyboard/Attention Economy.

Only a fool would store their BTC in the Getgems app. The app is still buggy as evidenced by the decision by Poloniex to delist GEMZ, as many users are experiencing issues transferring their coins. Getgems is only getting attention in the App store because they listed it as 'Telegram with Getgems'. If it was simply 'getgems', the downloads would drop substantially.
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GEMZ - Unmoderated thread on: May 30, 2016, 09:52:01 PM
People should try to find out where he lives not the source code. Let's do a MTgox meeting with the little rat...

According to the PayKey website, they are located here: https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Arieh+Shenkar+St+13,+Herzliya,+Israel/@32.1582316,34.8082852,17z.
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GEMZ - Unmoderated thread on: May 30, 2016, 05:16:25 PM
Most of the points you made above are just normal business decisions that have to be made. I see nothing that warrants your "disgruntled" behavior. I tried to pick out a few that are worth responding to:



https://www.paykey.me/#/team

PayKey is owned by Getgems.

It's says here David is a "Senior Advisor". He is filling a role Daniel has no time for and is doing a great job. I would call him the "company spokesman".
 


It's no secret that Daniel and team read the channels. That has been stated many times.



Still in doubt about who owns PayKey?

Take a look at this:

GetGems enables payments to be quickly and easily-processed within social networks' chats. Its solution is independent of the underlying payment technology, including credit cards, wire transfer and distributed ledger, and fits within any social networking platform including Facebook's Messenger, WhatsApp, Snapchat and Twitter. By leveraging existing networks, we're able to create simplicity and an intuitive payment experience for the user. Users also enjoy minimal transaction fees and instantaneous money transfer. Long term, our vision is to make money transfer as fast, simple and global as text messaging.

I got it here:

http://www.magmavc.com/portfolio/portfolio-companies.html

Click on Getgems. Get it?


So it took a team of 8 more than 2 months to announce an update that includes new color schemes and a hide messages option? One would have to question their abilities in this case.

Does anyone where I can find the source code for Getgems?
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GEMZ - Unmoderated thread on: May 30, 2016, 04:09:43 AM
Stating the reason of the poloniex delisting was because of the volume? go look at all the coins below gems in term of volume and come with a more logical reason then this.

The real reason is the amount of complaints poloniex received from people transfering coins in and out from the app. This very issue was reported multiple months ago and a proposition to switch over ethereum was made many many months ago.

They did not think it would cause a problem but uere we are many months later with an unsolved problem which still remain and is probably now being handled after seeing what kind of result it caused.

+1, it makes very little sense for Poloniex to continue supporting a coin that generates too many support tickets and very little revenue. Nothing malicious on their part, just smart business strategy.
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GEMZ - Unmoderated thread on: May 30, 2016, 03:47:31 AM
This is absolutely amazing and leaves me flabbergasted. Shocked

The total market cap for Getgems/GEMZ is $176,000.

Daniel stated in the 43North presentation that projected revenues for PayKey is $20 million dollars for 2018.

Is there something wrong here?

I would call this an "anomaly".

You talk about an investment opportunity.

The marketcap was around $600,000 on May 23, 2016, and is now $157,000 on May 29, 2016.

Clearly the majority of investors have lost hope in this project.
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: GEMZ - Unmoderated thread on: May 29, 2016, 01:58:30 PM
Why did GEMZ close the BitcoinTalk.org forum ?

Because that thread is one of the first search results in Google and can only harm their reputation. It documents their failure to deliver what they promised to investors on here and shows most of their ardent supporters on this forum slowly turning against them after realizing they were duped. They basically ripped off Telegram and made a few simple modifications. Look at the last update Android 3.0 update that was announced; new color schemes and a hide messages option. The current version in the Google Play store is 2.9.4, which was last updated March 22, 2016. So in 2 months, the best they could come up with is 2 measly features. Notice that the title of the app is 'Telegram with GetGems' and not simply 'Getgems' or 'GetGems with Telegram'. Even their title gives priority to Telegram over GetGems...

On another note, where is the source code for this project and who is the team that is supposedly working hard at it? A novice with no programming experience could figure out how to add the 'new' features they announced within the 2 months since their last update.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] IPO of MaidSafe:  Entering the Future of the Decentralized Internet on: May 25, 2016, 01:37:57 AM
so basically keep bagholding until maid actually does something meaningful lol...both in price and release.

Keep bagholding and wait for the next announcement of an announcement about another delay.

Meanwhile, Zeronet+TOR+Openbaazar+IPFS+SIA+STORJ are actually providing real tools for creating decentralized storage, networks, and markets.

Anyone who used traceable Counterparty BTC tokens to participate in the MAID ICO is on The List, with that red flag linked to their permanent digital profile.

So much for privacy, and anything being "made safe."   Roll Eyes

You may want to check your sources - the MaidSafe ICO didn't use Counterparty.
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