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21  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [XMR] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: June 26, 2014, 11:27:16 AM
La priorité devrait être un Gui user friendly

A attendre comme ça j'ai peur que ça finisse au fond du trou car il y a de la concurrence du côté de l'anonymat

Suffit que Btc-e décide d'en ajouter un et ça sera l'heureux élu, il régnera en maitre en la matière et les autres aux oublis


+1

Même si, comme le souligne Superesistant, Bitcoin aussi a commencé avec des outils merdiques, aujourd'hui ça n'a aucun sens de refaire le même parcours.

Blackshibe1 >

En réalité c'est plutôt faux l'impact du GUI sur le succès de la monnaie.
On constate des TONNES de crypto-coins qui misent à fond sur une super présentation et un côté très user-friendly, et qui viennent avec un super-site-bootstrap + GUI wallet + applications iOS & Android, mais ils n'ont pas pour autant beaucoup de succès (pas plus que les "shitcoins").

Monero est arrivé avec une présentation un peu cheap (euphémisme) et des outils pas forcément très accessibles. Pourtant, il rencontre un franc succès.
Je ne connais pas précisément le pourquoi du succès de Monero, mais on voit bien que l'aspect "utilisateur" n'entre pas en compte. Du moins dans une première phase.
Quelques pistes :
- L'avancée technologique : Première crypto anonyme par construction (cryptonote)
- L'aspect honnête (pas de pré-mine) et transparent
- La communauté (sérieuse & motivée)
- Le mining où tout était (et reste) à faire
- L'aspect "difficile d'accès" qui curieusement permet aux gens plus techniques de se sentir privilégiés de pouvoir accéder à Monero.


Bref, je ne connais pas les critères des différents utilisateur/investisseurs, mais ils sont complexes et difficiles à évaluer. Une chose à peu près certaine est que c'est le potentiel de Monero qui est aujourd'hui jugé, et non pas ce qui est disponible actuellement. La communauté Monero est très active et la roadmap est longue, ce qui peut mettre les investisseurs en confiance.


Rocou > Tout dépend de ce que tu considères comme "merdique". Aujourd'hui simplewallet est pleinement fonctionnel. Il nécessite de savoir utiliser une console et de comprendre basiquement la logique de Monero, ce qui fait un excellent filtre puisque cela empêche les néophytes de "faire des bêtises". Des GUI existent en phase beta mais ils sont relativement dangereux dans la mesure ou un utilisateur peut effectuer des actions complexes facilement, et ignorer les erreurs.

Autre aspect, celui de la maturité de Monero. Tout comme bitcoin dans ses débuts, Monero nécessite pas mal d'ajustements, comme par exemple :
  • Correction des problèmes de limites de connection de bitmonerod
  • Mise en place d'une base de données dans la blockchain (bientôt entre 2-3 GO de RAM)
  • Correctifs pour assurer l'auto-split des transactions trop grandes
  • Création d'APIs pour les différents services/exchanges
  • Intégration système de bitmonerod (comme bitcoind)

Tout ça concerne le code de bitmonero en lui-même, et ces améliorations DOIVENT être effectuées avant de laisser Monero accessible aux néophytes.  Je pense que le gros de la communauté partage cette vision de faire les choses dans l'ordre et proprement, et que ça contribue aussi à la crédibilité du projet.


Peut-être bien qu'il y a une ou des courses entre cryptomonnaies, mais je parie sur Monero sur le moyen & long terme Wink
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 25, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
Hello,

Some news about bitmonero-qt status.

  • Refatoring and cleaning in the code and architecture
  • More widgets and options in user interface ("advanced interface" should be checked to make them visible)
  • User messages and wizard were improved in order to provide more explicit information / error messages
  • When importing existing wallet, you can list wallets contained in the choosen folder and see their status
  • Binding with experimental LibMoneroWallet. This will allow additional features and more reactivity. Most of all, it avoids dependency on simplewallet executable.
  • You can now use electrum-style seeds for recovering wallets (atm only if LibMoneroWallet enabled)

A Github wiki was created for bulding and usage (for curious developers and experienced users only).



I've been using it for weeks (sync, balance, transactions) in replacement of simplewallet and it works fine. Once I set up good build processes, it will be available as a "beta" version.

I want it to remain in "beta" stage until Monero Core become mature enough (big changes are coming, according to multiple community github branches).




Jojatekok > I finally tested your Wallet (very quickly). Worked fine (just one click), with new wallet creation, address/balance displaying, address-book window. I haven't tested transactions (0 balance Cheesy). Using transifex is a great idea Wink

23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 22, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
users should be warned not to use the gui clients if they are not well aware of the use-case risks.
it is better to use simplewallet until guis are stable and suitably featured, or simply don't use a wallet at all if you can't handle that.
if you are using a gui because you can't handle simplewallet, then you should wait until the gui is stable and idiot-proof.


Monero Core itself is *not* ready for end-users yet, so GUIs cannot be ready either. At this point, even if the GUIs are stable and handle errors, they are just like simplewallet : For experienced users only.
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 22, 2014, 08:53:37 AM
Hello,

I just released Windows 64bits binaries of MoneroWallet-qt.
You can find them here : http://toh.neozaru.info/toh/public/MoneroWallet-qt-windows8-x64.zip

Just click on 'bitmonero-qt'. Please, dont move files from the original directory. (you can still create shortcuts).
Please, ensure any 'bitmonerod' or 'simplewallet' is closed before.


Performance is low, but it should work on most Windows 64 bits platforms. (optimized version exists, but requires OpenGL 2.0. Not really user-friendly)



Please notify (or PM) me if it doesn't work in your 64 bits Windows



Jojatekok > I will try yours soon.

Сan not send any coin. Wallet says: (transaction was rejected by daemon) Please wait for network syncing.
Wallet sycing: 100%.
What happened?

Which version are you using ?
The version provided in this previous post is deprecated (I removed the binaries). I will try to provide a fresh version today.
I also experienced "Transaction rejected by daemon" yesterday, but it resolved by itself after 2 minutes. I don't think this is a GUI-related problem, but I will check.

If you have a "bitmonerod.log" in your bitmonero-qt, you can send it to http://pastebin.com/ (or only the part corresponding to the time of your error).
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: June 20, 2014, 09:27:10 PM
I have some monero stuck in the old wallet.
How to get it into the new wallet without transferring?

Yea, im a newbie with my hand up my ass

Why are you lying to him neozaru. The coin wasn't hardforked. All he has to do is update his old wallet to the new one throught changing the binaries..just like Bitcoin and it's clones do...Fucking troll liar.

?

He said he has monero in his old wallet, I said all he has to do is update his wallet to the newest version if he wants to send the coins anywhere. You lied and said something totally different, troll.

Oh. I understood "old wallet" as "old wallet file", not "old wallet program". Sorry.
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: June 20, 2014, 09:24:27 PM
I have some monero stuck in the old wallet.
How to get it into the new wallet without transferring?

Yea, im a newbie with my hand up my ass

Why are you lying to him neozaru. The coin wasn't hardforked. All he has to do is update his old wallet to the new one throught changing the binaries..just like Bitcoin and it's clones do...Fucking troll liar.

?
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: June 20, 2014, 09:16:30 PM
I have some monero stuck in the old wallet.
How to get it into the new wallet without transferring?

You can't. The cryptocoins protocols are based on network consensus (blockchain), so your money only exists if it was transferred to you using this network Wink
28  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [XMR] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: June 20, 2014, 09:12:42 PM
J'ai vu le prix monter tranquillement (sans trop de grosses manipulations donc), et le volume d'échange continue à augmenter. Donc mon avis de noob, c'est qu'on n'est pas sur une montée éphemère. Après, si un "seuil psychologique" de vente a été atteint, le prix peut baisser légèrement.
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 20, 2014, 12:05:56 PM
jwinterm > I tried a fresh debian 7 yesterday in a VM. I swtiched to sid and got the same problem. I tried to do a complete system upgrade and that broke the Xfce session manager. Can't figure out if it is related to VM or a bad package.

yea, I really screwed up gdm/gnome3...probably just start over with fresh VM. Have you tested on Ubuntu yet? Maybe I'll see if 14.04 is any better...

I tested on Ubuntu 13 and 14 and compiled some binaries last Week-End. Worked fine.
I will retry this Week-End with current branch and write build instructions.
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 20, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
jwinterm > I tried a fresh debian 7 yesterday in a VM. I swtiched to sid and got the same problem. I tried to do a complete system upgrade and that broke the Xfce session manager. Can't figure out if it is related to VM or a bad package.
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 19, 2014, 04:30:07 PM
Hi neozaru,
Trying to build your bitmonero-qt app on debian wheezy, and I'm getting an error during make:
Code:
Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: quick qml
make: *** [sub-app-make_first-ordered] Error 3
I also tried:
Code:
apt-get install qml
and
Code:
apt-get install qml-module-qt*

but still getting the same error during make. Any ideas?


Try :
Quote
apt-get install qtdeclarative5-dev

The ubuntu-sdk may also work in Ubuntu (?)


I it doesn't work, I will try on an empty VM. What is your distribution ?


OK, I'm on a different computer, but they are both Debian Wheezy with sources set to testing (is that Sid?). Anyway, I was able to make after installing the stuff recommended in the git Readme and adding "apt-get install qtdeclarative5-dev"...however, I've run into a new problem now: the program crashes on launch. Here is the output from the first time I tried to run (after moving bitmonerod and simplewallet executables to bitmonero-qt/app folder):

http://pastebin.com/kb3s7A78

So, I did "apt-get install libqt5declarative5" got the same error, then tried "apt-get install qtquick1*" which installed another 300 MB of stuff, but this time made some improvement. I'm able to launch the program now, still having some issues with fonts though. Here is the output from the console on launch:

http://pastebin.com/xvQ5VZd8

Seemed OK on launch, however when I got to the import wallet wizard, I see this:


I'm guessing it's related to this portion of the console output:
Code:
Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 103: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected
Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 138: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected

Not sure what to do about it tho...




This seems to be a platform-dependent problem. I will try on my Wheezy VM tonight and compile some binaries and/or instructions for this specific platform
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 18, 2014, 07:15:53 AM
Hi neozaru,
Trying to build your bitmonero-qt app on debian wheezy, and I'm getting an error during make:
Code:
Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: quick qml
make: *** [sub-app-make_first-ordered] Error 3
I also tried:
Code:
apt-get install qml
and
Code:
apt-get install qml-module-qt*

but still getting the same error during make. Any ideas?


Try :
Quote
apt-get install qtdeclarative5-dev

The ubuntu-sdk may also work in Ubuntu (?)


I it doesn't work, I will try on an empty VM. What is your distribution ?
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 17, 2014, 07:28:52 AM
Hello.

btc-mike > I saw the work of cryptozoidberg on his Wallet. I decided to not fork it for multiple reasons :
- It is a very fresh work and I think he spent time on it. I guess forking it would be a bit frustrating for him. (even if it's in open-source philosophy)
- bitmonero-qt provides many features too with the same advantages.
- cryptozoidberg chose webkit-based UI. I chose QtQuick2-based UI. I want to see the advantages of QtQuick2 (fresh technology, future Androis/iOS compatibility ?)


jwinterm > Tried your Wallet and it works fine

Some remarks or improvements :

- All controls (launch daemon) are manuals. Maybe an option to launch it automatically could be good.
- Daemon/Simplewallet windows are visible. Useful for debugging but some users don't want to see them.
- What are these red circles when I click ? Tongue
- It's a good idea to ask user confirmation before sending funds
- Daemon and Wallet info retrieval (balance, blocks) works fine
- Wallet creation works fine too.
- You should scan some standard directories ($HOME ?) for listing available wallets instead of only the local one.
- Subprocesses are not stopped when closing the main Window, but the main window itself doesn't seem to close the Python program.
- Good overall ergonomy despite allthing is "manual". But after all, GUI Wallets are for experienced users only at this stage Wink
- Worked without pain on my (Arch) Linux (thank you Python and Kivy)
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 16, 2014, 09:20:35 PM

Hellou

Great to see there is some activity to bring Linux GUI wallet for Monero.

I tried these.
https://github.com/Neozaru/bitmonero-qt
https://github.com/jwinterm/cryptonoteRPCwalletGUI
https://github.com/BitKoot/CryptoNoteWallet

Did not work yet.

Bitmonerod and simplewallet did not work either, so it would be great if there was everything in one downloadable zip-file. Daemons, wallets, GUIs and so on, whithout need to install bitmonerod's and simplewallet's first and try to combine them to the GUI-Wallet.

When do you think there would be available a Linux-GUI-Wallet for Monero?


One problem is that Monero Core (bitmonerod, simplewallet) uses recent version of some libraries (ie: boost), so the build process can be difficult depending on the platform.
Thus, to provide ready-to-user binaries is not straightforward for developers. Developing (providing code) takes time, but setting up build environments for all platforms (providing executables) is hard too, especially when the code is constantly evolving. Wink

In the future, Monero Core could be added to Linux distributions repositories, facilitating usage for all users. From this point, GUI Wallets could use Monero Core as dependency. For Windows users, I think a all-in-one zip would be a good solution, but once again it takes time : Compiling for all platforms/architectures, creating installers, testing (!!), etc...

As a developer, I currently prefer to focus on the code, rather than spending hours to compile it each Week for all platforms. Packaging is important, but maybe we should wait for maturity before spending time on it.


About all-in-one GUI Wallet, I think bitmonerod will remain a standalone program because it embeds all the technical logic (can be launched transparently as subprocess). simplewallet will remain a CLI for creating/managing wallet, but it shouldn't be a dependency of GUI Wallets in the future. Smiley
35  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [MRO] Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature de cercle on: June 13, 2014, 08:20:24 PM

Hello !

Je suis en train de développer un Wallet GUI (interface graphique) pour Monero.

Pour le moment, il dispose de peu de fonctionnalités, mais l'objectif est d'avoir quelquechose de simple, et prêt à entrer dans les mains des "utilisateurs normaux" (sans connaissances techniques).


Les principaux buts sont :
- Multi-plateforme : Windows, Linux, MAC et autres UNIX (pourquoi pas du mobile également)
- Simple
- Plug and Play (un clic et je suis guidé)
- A terme, multi-langues.


Je suis encore loin de ces objectifs, mais aujourd'hui le soft permet déjà de créer un wallet, de consulter et d'envoyer des XMR facilement.


Les binaires sont disponibles ici pour Windows 64 bits uniquement : http://toh.neozaru.info/toh/public/MoneroWallet-qt-windows8-x64.zip

Si vous avez 5 minutes pour tester, vous décompressez le fichier, et vous lancez bitmonero-qt.

Pensez à fermer vos bitmonerod (et simplewallet) avant tout.

Si vous avez des erreurs, des commentaires ou des demandes, je reste à l'écoute.


J'attire votre attention sur le fait qu'un Wallet GUI a encore peu d'intérêt aujourd'hui, car le Monero Core a encore besoin d'être amélioré, et il le sera. Considérez donc ce GUI comme un essai.



Pour les devs ou les curieux, le soft est construit avec le SDK Qt (5.3), et son code source est dispo ici : https://github.com/Neozaru/bitmonero-qt.git



Note : L'onglet "Minage" ne supporte pour le moment que le solo-mining (et peu performant). Le minage avancé sera sûrement disponible plus tard, mais ce n'est pas une priorité (de très bons outils existent déjà pour le minage, et ils évoluent vite)
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 13, 2014, 07:49:01 PM
Hello,

I just released Windows 64bits binaries of MoneroWallet-qt.
You can find them here : http://toh.neozaru.info/toh/public/MoneroWallet-qt-windows8-x64.zip

Just click on 'bitmonero-qt'. Please, dont move files from the original directory. (you can still create shortcuts).
Please, ensure any 'bitmonerod' or 'simplewallet' is closed before.


Performance is low, but it should work on most Windows 64 bits platforms. (optimized version exists, but requires OpenGL 2.0. Not really user-friendly)



Please notify (or PM) me if it doesn't work in your 64 bits Windows



Jojatekok > I will try yours soon.
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for open source ByteCoin/Monero GUI on: June 10, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
Hello.


I did some work on my Qt-based Monero Wallet, and I think it is now ready for testing.

https://github.com/Neozaru/bitmonero-qt

This is still a testing version. The main goal is to provide an user-friendly interface without technical terms (which will be available in a future advanced-interface). I tried to manage each case : Import existing wallet (with refreshing), create a new wallet, use with already-running 'bitmonerod' (not default behavior, check github's README), etc...
If you test it, please make suggestions about ergonomy, features, user-experience, colors (I find them ugly yet but I haven't any idea), and overall stability of the app.


For devs and testers, the requirements are qt5 (including qtquick2/declarative) and boost1.55.

If you want to compile it, ensure you have all dependencies and do :
Quote
qmake
make


For ArchLinux (64 bits) users, binaries are available here : http://toh.neozaru.info/toh/public/bitmonero-qt-testing-archlinux-x64.tar
(simply untar and click on 'bitmonero-qt', but close all 'bitmonerod' and 'simplewallet' before)
Arch users > to get dependencies (as root) :
Quote
pacman -S qt5
pacman -S boost

Tell me if it doesn't run your in your platform. I could try myself (I've some sleeping VMs).


Before trying the program, PLEASE ENSURE THE FOLLOWING :
- 'bitmonerod' is NOT already running.
- 'simplewallet' is NOT already running or running on a different wallet from the one you will use in the GUI.


Some errors CAN happen. Maybe GUI errors I haven't detected, but sometimes bitmonero-core related errors. Please keep in mind that this GUI runs on top of 'bitmonerod', which still needs some necessary improvements, and I see that developers are working hard on it.


README and more binaries are coming soon. (Arch/Ubuntu first, Windows later)
38  Local / Actualité et News / Re: Bitcoin Hackathon @ La Maison du Bitcoin 13-15 juin 2014 on: June 04, 2014, 12:37:12 PM
C'est une idée géniale mais il aurait fallu prévenir un peu plus tôt. Le 13 juin c'est très bientôt.

+1. Je traine assez souvent sur ce forum et m'intéresse à la Maison du Bitcoin.
Malgré tout je viens d'apprendre l'existence de cet event.
39  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [MRO} Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature par anneaux on: June 02, 2014, 11:58:43 AM
Quote
Merci de concentrer vos efforts sur un bon GUI deja, que Mro vienne chatouiller Drk sur le market cap

Chacun bosse sur des tâches différentes. Rien n'indique qu'I2P est une fonctionnalité majeure ou une priorité. C'est simplement une fonctionnalité prévue car cohérente avec l'aspect "Anonyme" de la currency.


Concernant les débats sur I2P/TOR, ils sont intéressants mais auraient effectivement davantage leur place sur les topics HS.
40  Local / Annonces / Re: [ANN] [MRO} Monero, monnaie anonyme à signature par anneaux on: June 02, 2014, 06:50:17 AM
Des nouvelles fraiches sinon?

Au niveau du code, tu peux voir que le travail continue https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero Wink
Les réflexions techniques ont commencé pour l'intégration avec I2P.

Vous bossez sur quoi la?

A ce que je constate, à peu près sur tout : Chaque jour, de nouvelles mise à jour des Miners, des Pools, et des GUIs.

Vous savez pourquoi Mintpal ne l'ajoute toujours pas?

Il faut bien comprendre que l'ajout d'un altcoin "Bitcoin-like" à un exchange est relativement facile, car la logique et le code à ajouter est déjà écrit et testé.
Monero utilise un logique et un code totalement différent, ce qui rend l'interfacage fastidieux avec d'autres logiciels.
En résumé : Intégrer Monero sainement leur coûtera temps et argent. Ils l'ajouteront sûrement quand ils constateron leur manque à gagner. Peut-être qu'ils y réfléchissent déjà, mais en tous cas, il y aura un délai entre décision de l'intégrer et intégration effective Wink
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