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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / [CryptoNote] A complete forking guide to create your own CryptoNote currency on: July 01, 2014, 05:08:23 PM
CryptoNote Team highly values contribution from all the CryptoNote currencies to the technology development and adoption. We believe in coin pluralism and would like to see more CN currencies launching.

That is why CryptoNote Team has created a completely new repository and a step-by-step guide that covers forking process. It is designed to help everyone get accustomed with source code basics and give CryptoNote technology a try:

CryptoNote Starter
http://cryptonotestarter.org
https://github.com/cryptonotefoundation/cryptonote

Reference implementation
CryptoNoteCoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686485.

News
2014/07/01 - CryptoNote Starter released
2014/07/11 - Testnet tool released: https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=234
2014/07/11 - Currency reference implementation launched under the name CryptoNoteCoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686485.
2014/07/18 - Smart genesis block creation added: https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=220&p=806#p806
2014/07/29 - Emission calculator and address prefix generator tools added to cryptonotestarter.org: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673203.msg8082560#msg8082560
2014/08/08 - Knowledge base published: https://cryptonotestarter.org/kb/

More on CryptoNote
https://cryptonote.org/inside.php
https://cryptonote.org/coins.php
https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf
https://forum.cryptonote.org

Same thread on our forum
https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=219

22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin (CPU-mining, true anonymity) on: May 23, 2014, 10:32:20 AM
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What do you make of the apparent schism between Cryptonote, which now appear to be the prime movers behind the technology, and the Bytecoin team? They make numerous allusions on their forum posts that there was disagreement in how Bytecoin was to be developed which led to the two teams splitting.
Thats above my paygrade other than to observe that it seems all sad and weird to me. (It's hard for me to tell what strange game of chess people are playing here, perhaps extra hard because I don't care about any of it— as mentioned I think introducing alt-currencies is a dead end route).  I mean, I could make guesses,... but it would just be guesses, my spider sense which usually protects me from weird situations certantly goes off around that stuff. Then again, I may just be miscalibrated relative to the baseline level of scum and villainy expected in the altcoin space. Smiley

It always amuses me how one can shape another one's thoughts and find allusions where there aren't any. CryptoNote and Bytecoin team indeed worked together. It's Bytecoin devs that created the vast majority of the code based on the cryptography that was primarily ours by design. As BCN devs were interested in playing around with the coins itself, our courses departed. That is basically the whole story. CryptoNote never envisioned itself stick to community and ecosystem creation. We simply let others do it.

I've recently contacted Bytecoin team and there are some interesting updates, which they promise to roll out in a few weeks.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin (CPU-mining, true anonymity) on: May 22, 2014, 01:58:46 PM
Yes, I am aware this is the claimed goal. This was also the claimed goal for litecoin— and unlike the cryptonote paper litecoin used a publicly known, peer reviewed algorithm. Litecoin failed in this goal because it is simply not really possible to achieve. You should go read the nice writeup I linked to.   The cryptonight stuff is _less_ well reviewed and justified than the approach taken in litecoin.  It's also insanely slow to verify, which is debilitating to many applications (including just syncing up a node).

Certainly, as you say, you can increase the upfront costs... and that might delay things a bit while the cryptocurrency is worthless. But higher upfront costs will almost guarantee a monopoly to someone who does go and create something (and, in fact, cpu only right now basically means an intel and amd duopoly— you realize that the marginal cost of a chip to someone with the right contracts with Intel is a tiny fraction of the retail price, right?), less competition in the hardware space is a risk, not an advantage. And, of course, litecoin asics have higher NRE and so there is less competition in that space. Making that worse seems unlikely to be an advantage.

Here are some quotes from the document that you've cited: https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/asic-faq.pdf

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3. Is ASIC resistance possible?
ASIC resistance, in the sense of making life difficult for ASIC manufacturers (and therefore reducing the number of distinct manufacturers) is possible. But it is impossible to create an algorithm which runs at the same speed on general-purpose and dedicated hardware (since general-purpose hardware contains many extraneous features, e.g. communication buses for peripherals), and so ultimately ASIC resistance is futile.

This is true, however we're talking about the costs required to create an AISC, which would be as multi-purpose as CPU.

By the way, Ethereum's authors are working in the same direction, as their function will perform random scripts from the block chain. Since those algorithms are likely to be arbitrary (Turing complete language), the interpreter should also be multi-purpose.

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4. Is memory hardness desirable?

As an aside, since memory is far away and expensive to access on general purpose computers, memory hardness actually increases the benefit provided by ASIC’s!

Our initial idea is that the main advantage of the ASICs is piplining. Since SHA-256 doesn't require more memory that the data processed in the gate (256 bits), it is possible to run different parts of the algorithm on the same circuit. On the other hand, our algo requires 2 MB to process the data. Moreover, it processes not everything at once, but random 64-bit parts, so it takes time for them to be transferred. This makes piplines impossible as it would require 2 MB on-chip memory per each line. 2 MBs is indeed much for the ASIC, since on-chip memory is more expensive than dram (the link you've provided also suggests this). In case someone decides to go with dram, the additional costs will grow because of the memory controllers. In a nutshell, CryptoNight makes CPU a suitable and convenient tool.

I wouldn't like to argue whether it is possible to create an ideal PoW function. Our main idea was to push the economic barrier for the ASICs to a significant distance.
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][FCN] FantomCoin. CN-based currency with merged mining. LAUNCHED NOW! on: May 12, 2014, 12:23:48 PM
We have reviewed the code and the merged mining technology. We believe that it is a valuable contribution to the CryptoNote development. Thus, we are going to officially announce Fantomcoin as a CryptoNote coin.

There is one issue with the block types. Even though proposed block structure is compatible with merged mining of 2+ coins simultaneously, the daemon apparently doesn't support it. We are expecting you to update the daemon with that issue.

Could you also submit the 50x50 px logo of the coin so that we add it to the website?

https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=172#p567
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 12, 2014, 12:12:26 PM
We have reviewed everything that is going on with the community and other CryptoNote coins. As Bitmonero/Monero is contributing to the development of applied aspects we're going to officially announce it as a CryptoNote currency.

We hope that the current confusion will be figured out among the community members.

However, we need a logo to add to the website. At least, 50x50 px.

https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=162&p=566#p566
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [QCN] QuazarCoin | Privacy&Data protection | CPU only | Optimized miner on: May 12, 2014, 12:02:18 PM
Even though Quazarcoin didn't add anything to the technology yet, we believe it can serve the purpose of distinct positioning of CryptoNote on the market. We urge you to create the community that will benefit the technology development.

Anyway, as for now we're ready to announce QCN as a CryptoNote coin.

In any case, could you submit a 50x50 px logo of the coin for our website?

Link:
https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=181#p568
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