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Honestly, no, but you shouldn't give up. The more you talk about it, the more your chances to recover them.Yes I cant afford to let it go. It feels like we are making progress but slow. Very slow. Three months now  For how many addresses are we talking about?We have 8 addresses all Legacy wallets and address starting with 1. All private keys starting with K or L This doesn't make sense. Why should private keys regenerate wallets? Do you mean they don't give the same addresses once imported to another wallet?What I meant if I import it into Bitcoin core it doesn't give a spendable wallet There are lots of things that I can't explain such as:
Why did it take so long to sync?
Why did it return you a watch-only wallet if you imported private keys?
No one can explain this. I am desperate for someone to recall or have any idea why this is possible at all. Just the way it happened and I have to find a reason or solution. I imported it exactly the way you showed on top. Prepend included. Note that if your private key starts with K, then these are compressed addresses and since your time period was 2011-2015, those addresses should be starting with 1. Blockchain dot com or Exodus may return you addresses that either start with 3 or bc1.
Unfortunately they give me an address that starts with 1 as shown in the pictures. If it returned me addresses starting with 3 or bc1 then it was easily explainable. But no. Have you tried importing one private key at a time?Yes with the same result 100% I am dumbstruck with this issue. Should not be that difficult but thats how it is. But yes we are working on it with you guys. Thank you so far
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I said if I import the keys (not addresses) in another platform like blockchain I get an address for that Private key that is different to the original addresses that I got years back. So, you're importing the L3k1...5i to blockchain dot com and don't get the same address as you were with Bitcoin Core in 2013, correct? One step at a time. [/quote] 1. I started with bitcoin core around 2011 up to 2015. Private keys and addresses generated those years. Left the addresses with some coins and never had a look at it again until last year November. 2. I tried to get access to my wallets in bitcoin core but private keys wont regenerate spendable wallets. Did not even show addresses. 3. Downloaded Electrum 4.1.5 and import private keys in Electrum. Took some time but gave me a watching only wallet but with my original Addresses the way I left it with the coins still there. 4. Tried to import the private key in Blockchain but it gave me a different address. No coins in it (Obviously). Same different address with Exodus. 5. Went back to Electrum again. Gave me watching only address again when importing private keys with original addresses. 6. Never tried to import any address in any of these platforms. Does it make more sense what I tried to solve my issue? |
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So let me get this straight. You downloaded Electrum, you imported your private key(s) whose addresses have received BTC, and wanted to spend those coins. But, at first you couldn't sync your Electrum client. (You said it was taking hours to complete)
Now that you do have synced it (I can see it from your shared images) you don't get... What? Weren't you getting the correct addresses given the private keys you'd saved?
Also, if you want to hide your addresses, better do it in the entire text, not just within it. I can easily search what's your address as I know the first 6 characters and the last 8 characters.
I am not with you sir. Did you read the entire thread? I am not trying to hide my addresses. Theres dust in that one. I said if I import the keys (not addresses) in another platform like blockchain I get an address for that Private key that is different to the original addresses that I got years back. The new address that show up in blockchain and Exodus is empty. No coins. But when I import it in Electrum Private keys ( not addresses) it brings up the original addresses that belong to that Private key. After a while of course and watch only. Those still have the correct transactions and coins in it. Do you understand what my problem is? |
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Yes true it is from Bitcoin core but I am just looking for some fresh approach to look at my situation. Like I said Electrum have the ability to pick up the right addresses for the private keys. So it means something in its software links the original addresses where the coins are with the private keys that now gives a different address. You see where I am going? I know he is trying to restore from seed phrase.
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Only wanted to mention again that we have an exceptionally bad line speed where I stay. Looks like it could contribute to all of this.
I kinda doubt it. However, I've got an idea which I am not sure it was discussed: Is there a chance that the wallet file cannot be properly written to HDD or get overwritten by an older version (by an antivirus or system protection), or something like that? What I mean is the maybe you manage to try to restore your wallet on another computer (of course, make sure it's clean and that the Electrum is from electrum.org and verified). Or you can try for an 0.00000001 address even on your smartphone (although I don't have the same experience on smartphone) ; maybe you see whether it restores to the correct address and it's spendable or not. Or you can try sparrow wallet, which is pretty much compatible with Electrum and uses Electrum servers too, but it may get a bit more complicated to set up. Maybe they're only crazy ideas, but if you have that time, it's only a bit of time to lose, isn't it? Thank you sir I like your thinking and crazy ideas. My wallets are very old and created in the beginning if BTC. I saw another post in the thread of Bennoko where nc50lc made the following comment " That's what I'm talking about in the previous replies, as stated in the release notes of v0.32+: /index.php?topic=5379817.msg58904925#msg58904925 The key derivation was changed twice since v0.31 (v0.31 and v0.34), thus, those old wallets' private keys can't be restored using the latest version. He'll have to get the private keys from the restored wallet in v0.30 and import them to the latest (if still didn't worked, get the keys from v0.32~0.33)." That makes me think that I might have a similar problem. The Electrum app picks up my correct addresses without having the address near to it. So must have a historical link to it. I am just not sure if a developer might shed some light on it but for the interim I am following your suggestions. Many thanks |
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Much appreciated guys. I know you work with a lot of issues and accept it. Only wanted to mention again that we have an exceptionally bad line speed where I stay. Looks like it could contribute to all of this.
I will try your suggestions and if I discover what could be wrong I will post it here.
Thanks again
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Do you have a different computer you consider safe and malware-free where you can download a genuine copy of Electrum and try it there? Maybe even using the mobile version of Electrum. It's not recommended to use older versions, but at this stage, you might just try that as well. You can find older Electrum versions here. Maybe try with the 3.3.8 (don't use older versions than that) or the 4.0.1. Besides that, you might want to try and get in touch with the Electrum developers and the community over GitHub. Maybe someone sees something we haven't. Sir thank you so much for your reply. I am going to follow your advice. It started to feel as if no-one wants to give the scenario a different thought. What I didn't do was to get mistaken by addresses and private keys and also Electrum was the only platform that brought up my original addresses for those private keys without the addresses even near the app. So that means there is a link to them and even the transactions are 100% correct. Definitely not a coincidence. Where do I get in contact with the developers? Here on the same forum? Lastly, can a private key have or have had more than 1 address or linked to more than 1 address? Those are my keys and my original addresses. Why does other platforms give an address that I do not know when imported but Electrum gives my original addresses. Lastly since you are more sympathetic to my issue I just want to confirm that Electrum shows imported and after showing my coins turn to watching only itself with only my private key in use. No doubt about it. As if something make it turn to watching only as if there is doubt about the private key. Therefore I will contact the developers as suggested. |
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Besides that it turned to watching only and then in the address line it gives our old address. Once again, wallets can not turn from standard wallets in to watching only wallets. This is simply not possible. The wallets that you are showing in your images named Electrum1 and Electrum2 are two entirely different wallets. One is called "default_wallet" and the other is called "john 4". The former was created by importing a private key, while the latter was created by importing an address. You need to ignore the addresses you have copied down - importing them will achieve nothing in terms of accessing your coins and they are just causing you confusion as you keep creating watching only wallets. I also think you have likely copied down some addresses you do not have the private key for. Import the private keys you do have in to both Electrum and Blockchain. If the addresses they generate match and are empty, then there is nothing else you can do. The two images are not from the same wallet because I didn't have a screen-print for wallet after turning to watching only I agree. Fact is I dont even open the addresses file when I work with Electrum because I don't need them. The first image just shows that when a private key is imported it first give me an address with a private key from the system. After switching to watching only it gives me my old address that belongs to the private key But thanks for the help oeloe. Much appreciated |
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I agree with you there. Reason why I concentrated on this point is because without the addresses nowhere close to the Electrum platform it linked 100% the right addresses, with its transactions, when I only used the Private keys. I never even bothered to try and enter an address in Electrum ever. But these private keys come from 2011/2013. So I was surprised to find these Private keys brings up another address on another platform. You get my point there. Even if there were something wrong with the software. How did it arrive at my original addresses as I left it in 2013/14? Is there not another way to look at this issue? You could try reddit or SE. Thanks for the info |
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BTW, your images: "Coin Control" and the alleged turned watch-only wallet "Electrum 2" doesn't fit the story because of the huge difference in the number of available (unspent) outputs and "TX" count in the history.
-snip-Okay... I see the situation strange based from the available info and at this point, I have no idea what's happening in your client since none of it should happen under normal circumstances. ( 'Imported' into 'imported watch-only' | Imported the same prvKey to other wallets and derived different address) Sorry I can't help more. Thanks for your effort though. Much appreciated. |
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We did check the signature. But how is it that my Electrum synchronization picks up all 8 my private keys' addresses 100% correctly. If it didn't belong to those private keys where did the information come from then. Is it not strange to you then? I mean they didn't come from my computer while syncing.
It is not that unlikely to make a simple mistake while importing those keys one by one. You may have even made the mistake of pasting an address that you had copied for some other reason into your import window which is why you ended up with a watch only wallet in first place. It definitely doesn't happen while you are syncing. Well what if I tell you it is impossible that I made a simple mistake like that. I also didn't make a mistake while posting it on blockchain?? I made pretty sure that it started with a K or L. I didn't even have the address on the same sheet. It happened by itself 100% sure. Is there really no one out there that might think of anything that can cause that result. It is just the way it happened. Is there some other forum where I can ask the same question? |
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I know what you told me to start over and so on but if there are anybody reading this post that had a similar problem where it seems the address of the private key is different and that had a solution, please help.
It will be much appreciated.
BTW, your images: " Coin Control" and the alleged turned watch-only wallet " Electrum 2" doesn't fit the story because of the huge difference in the number of available ( unspent) outputs and " TX" count in the history. Yes its true because I have 8 wallets and I didn't have an image for that particular combination so I posted a picture I took with my Phone. We did check the signature. But how is it that my Electrum synchronization picks up all 8 my private keys' addresses 100% correctly. If it didn't belong to those private keys where did the information come from then. Is it not strange to you then? I mean they didn't come from my computer while syncing. |
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Good day Guys Let me try and explain myself a little bit more. Hopefully someone might see my point and perhaps give some ideas to try and solve my problem. I worked on this issue with my son that started with bitcoin mining in 2011 and stopped in 2015. When we say we loaded a private key and when we say we loaded an address we did it together and let’s assume we didn’t get confused. We started with bitcoin core but we couldn’t get the private key to get the wallet to be spendable. On 18/11/2021 I downloaded the Electrum setup file 4.1.5 (see image in folder). We have 8 wallets of which 3 have only 0.00000001 coins in it. The others are our primary wallet addresses. We had the addresses with their Private keys on paper on a sheet since 2015. We loaded the private key (only) in Electrum after creating a new wallet and then choosing option 4 to import/restore wallet. With or without prepend doesn’t make a difference as we are using Legacy wallets. We didn’t encrypt it and it started syncing. At first it gave us a wallet that says imported and in the address line gave an address with the option of a private key (see image – Electrum1). It synchronized for around 30 hours and then gave us the total coins with the transaction history. Besides that it turned to watching only and then in the address line it gives our old address. (See image – Electrum2). At some point after that it gave a green line at the bottom that says Coin Control active and synchronized until the total 2022 was done (see image – coin control). All this was done with only the private key. The wallet after turning to watching only gave us automatically our paper wallet addresses itself but stayed watching only. If we check the private key on another platform like Exodus or Blockchain it gives a different address. Our coins are in the Electrum given addresses as given correctly by Electrum (see images – Exodus or Blockchain) We tried to but didn’t sweep any of the private keys. All coins are still in the same addresses as mentioned on top. I know what you told me to start over and so on but if there are anybody reading this post that had a similar problem where it seems the address of the private key is different and that had a solution, please help. It will be much appreciated. All images are in the link below  |
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Address: 1AgV6A1vaRQ16G8sRR1VUW4r8EDnmdEBpy (coins are in here)
Just a small remark, since you wrote "coins are in there": if this is indeed the address you want to recover, it has no funds. I mean, it has one satoshi, which you cannot move. And I've found a lot of linked addresses that are empty. An idea would be to stop the internet connection (so it doesn't sync at all) and get from the console again the relevant private keys. I think that you may have been mixing up something - from the wallet for which you've saved the things, to - I don't know - some attempts to encrypt your saved data which now returns something different. Bitcoin core should have the keys though. Of course, before doing anything you should make a safe copy of the correct wallet.dat Yes true there is only 0.00000001 coins in it and that's why I call it dust which cant be moved. Only reason I posted that specific one is because it is doin the same thing but at least I don't play with my other wallets on the forum. I don't intent to move anything from there. How do you see which other addresses are linked to it? I need to find the source of my problems. Thanks in advance |
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However, I want to ask you, I uninstalled electrum from my Laptop and did a fresh download and checked the signatures and even deleted all in the appdata so it can start 100% fresh. Why is it taking so long (12 days)? IS there a way I can see what it is doing and how far it is? 100Gigs of data is a lot if the download is merely 57megs. It shouldn't do this and there is no point leaving it longer. There is obviously something stopping it from syncing properly. Try the following: - Ensure Electrum version is 4.1.5.
- Click on Tools -> Network, find any new server, right click on it, and click "Use as server".
- Then click on the Proxy tab in the same window, and ensure it is turned off.
- Check that Electrum isn't being block by a firewall or antivirus.
- Check that Electrum isn't being blocked by a VPN if you use one.
- Try deleting the blockchain_headers file and reopening the wallet.
But now its not showing a watching only wallet after 2 days like before. It seems stuck in syncing. Although it is not syncing, is it showing you the correct address in the Addresses tab? Thanks for the advise. When I start to import the Privacy key it gives me another address which I am not sure at this point where it is coming from but the moment it showed me the coins it switches to watching only and gives the correct address and correct coins. That was the previous time I tried. But now it again show a different address but still not showing me coins and also not showing watching only like with the previous attempt. Although this is a fresh start and fresh app installation. Still Oeloe I really didn't make a mistake with the privacy keys. If I attempt importing it into blockchain.com I get a different address like I said in my above messages. An address wont start with a K or L. That is all I am working with. My firewalls are disabled and I dont use a VPN. Regards |
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In 2013 in Bitcoin Core I created and saved on a spreadsheet the following private key and address:
Private Key: L3k1XxxxXXXXXxXxxxXxXxxxXXxXXxXXXxxXxXyxXxxxXxXXX5i
Address: 1AgV6A1vaRQ16G8sRR1VUW4r8EDnmdEBpy (coins are in here)
In 2022 the same private key shows the following address when importing it anywhere else:
Address: 14YjouC6ba7MR6WJWE7Wjsa6FdDYwjkX2p (no coins in here)
Can anyone please explain to me why this happened and more important why Electrum is showing the correct wallet address when imported the first time with same private key.
The only possible explanation is either you imported a different key into "anywhere else" that got you the wrong address staring with 14 or the tool you used was seriously broken that created a wrong address. If I had to bet, I would say it is the former. Your public key for "1AgV6A1vaRQ16G8sRR1VUW4r8EDnmdEBpy" is "0231454b30d68c681655c25d5f5985616c46d73ecee01a72fa2afcae82529e8138" (based on the only outgoing transaction this address has) and even if the tools use the uncompressed public key the address would still be "1CrSFKMZf3Q5xRrz6j2sMbYHFdTasNGoCh" not the one starting with "14". Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated. I however did not make a mistake with mixing up the keys. None of my wallets starts with a 14........ All are old legacy wallets I cant help to feel there must be another explanation for the difference. |
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-snip- Since there is nothing in this particular private key let me post it here with screen shots. Coming up
I'd never do that if I were you. Even if it's empty in your tests, there may still be unclaimed be " fork coins" in there or specially if the issue turns out to be the software's fault. Anyways, you can test if the Electrum you're using is indeed deriving the correct address from the given private key by importing a random private key ( e.g: from paper wallet generators) and see it the correct address will be imported; if it does, then it's what they've said. Point taken Thanks for the advice. I am just so frustrated with my situation that I would risk something to achieve something. Thank you again |
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Can anyone please explain to me why this happened and more important why Electrum is showing the correct wallet address when imported the first time with same private key.
You are saying that you imported a private key and you didn't get the address you expected. You also imported the same private key into electrum and got a correct address but the wallet was watch-only. And now you are asking why the electrum watch-only wallet generated the correct address while other wallets generated a wrong address. Am I getting you right? If so, as mentioned by pooya87, you have imported a wrong private key. And you see a correct address on the electrum watch-only wallet, because you imported the address not the private key. Don't say you imported a private key into electrum and it created a watch-only wallet. That's impossible. In all due respect Hosseinimr93, it is 100% correct what I said. I did not have the addresses at hand when I copied it. I have 8 wallets and all of them are legacy wallets starting with 1 and private keys starting with K and L. If I made a mistake with 1 or 2 it is still unlikely that I made a mistake with all. It is now 3 months that I am busy with it and by now I will know not to be mistaken. However, I want to ask you, I uninstalled electrum from my Laptop and did a fresh download and checked the signatures and even deleted all in the appdata so it can start 100% fresh. Why is it taking so long (12 days)? IS there a way I can see what it is doing and how far it is? 100Gigs of data is a lot if the download is merely 57megs. But now its not showing a watching only wallet after 2 days like before. It seems stuck in syncing. Is there any way you can assist me? |
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I copy and paste my keys so I doubt it that I could have made the same mistake at more than three places. Since there is nothing in this particular private key let me post it here with screen shots. Coming up
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Well now I am totally confused. I followed your advice and install a new Electrum from the website, checked the signature, and opened a wallet and import my private key with the prepend included. Didn't give me a watching only so far but have been syncing for 12 days already. Didn't display the coins so far. It downloaded the 57mbytes in the appdata directory which looks fine but used around 100gig of data in the past 12 days while synchronizing.
I am going to use some sample keys and addresses but it contains only dust so I am not concerned that it might fall into the wrong hands.
At first when I started off in 2012 I created Legacy wallets with their private keys (not encrypted) and had some transactions done in it. Last transactions done around 2013 to 2015. Then I stopped until November last year when I tried to access my wallets again for the first time again. That was when I imported the private keys for the first time into Electrum and it gave me a Watching only wallet as mentioned above.
I need to mention that I tried to sweep it as well once and it gave me a "no inputs found" pop up. I added my original wallet address on Cointracker and it shows my coins. Out of frustration I imported my smallest wallet (dust) in blockchain.com with the private key but it then gave me a different address. I couldnt believe it and imported my private key into a Key Compression tool and once again it gave me a different address but the same as blockchain.com.
Only Electrum showed me (and I imported only the private key) the right address and the coins in it, the way I created it back in 2013. Only the wallet was a watching only.
This is an example of my detail then and now.
In 2013 in Bitcoin Core I created and saved on a spreadsheet the following private key and address:
Private Key: L3k1XxxxXXXXXxXxxxXxXxxxXXxXXxXXXxxXxXyxXxxxXxXXX5i
Address: 1AgV6A1vaRQ16G8sRR1VUW4r8EDnmdEBpy (coins are in here)
In 2022 the same private key shows the following address when importing it anywhere else:
Address: 14YjouC6ba7MR6WJWE7Wjsa6FdDYwjkX2p (no coins in here)
Can anyone please explain to me why this happened and more important why Electrum is showing the correct wallet address when imported the first time with same private key.
Much appreciated
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