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Well what we don't hold is pieces of paper that can easily be stolen, & burnt. Or pieces of metal that can easily be forged into a cutting implement for troll removal. Our trade consensus & storage of value is far more secure, far more difficult to grasp, as you clearly demonstrate, & therefore far more difficult to snatch at. You will see the light some day, padowan. You will stop reaching for grubby materials & accept the might of the capital idea  |
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Nah it's atrocity propaganda put out to try & secretly colonize America in the name of cynical materialism, because despite their success so far, those good old folks haven't actually given up their soul. God bless the rights of the citizen to depose the tyrants, dictators, autocrats & monarchs parading themselves as legitimate government. God bless freedom of thought & expression. Let's show these barbarians how to conduct oneself in a civilised manner  |
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It all looks like a cheap smokescreen put up by people hard-wired to get off on deceiving us. Those they can't deceive, they try to destroy. So the overall effect they have is to groom a population to be stupid. This is probably why they have often been expelled from whole nations. Down with big government! Viva la revolution!  |
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To OP - of course they exchange numbers. That's why it is a DIGITAL currency. If they exchanged something other than numbers, it would be analog.
Currency is a word. They don't exchange word but numbers. You talk nonsense. I hope you are sweating somewhere with your little nylon tie nailed to a counter in a bank with Warren Buffet farting in your mouth. You cannot insult me with things that you create in your imagination. All you do in that way is presenting yourself. But I think that nobody here is interested in your fantasies about Warren Buffet farting. You are George Soros's PA, & your anus is in tatters. |
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To OP - of course they exchange numbers. That's why it is a DIGITAL currency. If they exchanged something other than numbers, it would be analog.
Currency is a word. They don't exchange word but numbers. You talk nonsense. I hope you are sweating somewhere with your little nylon tie nailed to a counter in a bank with Warren Buffet farting in your mouth. |
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Numbers can be displayed on my mobile phone screen, not electronic coins that people call bitcoins Only if you can believe in your fiat digits reflecting the units of your assets on your mobile through alert and same way you can deem fot by going to the bank or bitcoin ATM or p2p to claim those digits into fiat cash that you spend daily, then i see no reason why you should doubt on the digital version of currency that is more improved and decentralized than fiat to be a unit of your account, whereby you can convert your stash or bitcoins into fiat, withdraw it, make use of p2p, and have every digital units of coins from your wallet into a currency you can spend anywhere any time, then why not save yourself the unnecessary stress and give am attempts first and dee if it's monetized or not. Yeah, that's a classical bitcoin propaganda and language manipulation that is used to lure people into believing bitcoins are real. You literally ignored everything in the OP, and just repeat the propaganda. Pretty pathetic. And here you have practiced two textbook examples of a propagandist: 1. Keep repeating a lie, "bitcoins aren't real", and hoping it sticks and that some will believe the BS. 2. "Accusation in a Mirror", as a quote taken from the French psychologist's 1970 book on the topic: imputing to the adversaries the intentions that one has oneself and/or the action that you are in the process of enacting
That is, you are the one using "language manipulation" to lure people into believe an untruth, and yet you blame others for such actions. ... except that, as you can see, no one here is falling for it. You know, the same as I, and the same as everyone else who read the OP, that bitcoins don't exist. There's no person on Earth that saw anything else in their wallet but numbers. The whole system, on the other hand, just stores data from which those numbers are calculated. So factually, there are no electronic coins called bitcoins. There's nothing in the ownership of number holders that would be counted with that numers. So, why are you lying? What are you trying to achieve?
Bro' stop trash talking. Saying BTC doesn't exist is like saying the value that we all agree is stored in the material of & markings on a $100 bill doesn't exist, because nobody can locate this arrangement physically. Bitcoins are blocks of encrypted information. The physical wallets we may use to send or receive this information, which represents an agreed upon storage of value for exchanging almost any other goods & services, only record transaction information. The fact that BTC does not occupy any more physical space, unless you print off paper wallets which some do, is part of its strength. It is evidence of the streamlining of the commercial currency exchange process. Pieces of paper & metal with markings on them that say this tender is representative of X amount of value because such & such an enforcement agency or government say so doesn't make coins or notes any more stable a form of currency than Bitcoin, which is a decentralized cryptocurrency with a proven track record of success as functional currency in the real world, for private individuals, huge exchanges, & traditional investors alike. If your country gets invaded or experiences some other more incremental catastrophe that destroys its economy, and your currency is suddenly rendered obsolete, you have nowhere to go. That is never going to happen to BTC because it is protected by the exponential growth in computer power & universal enfranchisement of using the internet. The majority have too much invested in these things to allow that economy to implode. Consensus wins, democracy wins. Not ancient Greek democracy or modern Greek democracy, but the universal ethical ideal of reason & transparency & faith in the long-held conviction of a majority. Hahaha. A block contains data about sender, receiver and a number sent or received. This number is supposed to count coins, that is bitcoins. But no one has those coins. No one ever saw them. Regarding those blocks and chains of blocks, anyone can download a copy of the blockchain, and it can be inspected to trace the path of numbers sent from one sender to another. So, you defined bitcoin as something that everyone can download for free. Hilarious. The rest of your text is propaganda mixed with pure nonsense. You cannot protect something that doesn't exist. What you protect are numbers next to addresses. But why would anyone protect math abstractions that can be created in everyone's mind in an instant and used for whatever purposes? It's stupidity never seen before. Stop talking air biscuits you subatomic troll-virus. Cash is an agreement, it always only existed in the minds of capitalists. You might pretend you are a communist agitator, but as is most often the case with these things, you're more likely some frustrated kid airing his grievances through pseudo intellectual ranting. I never said anything of the sort. The source-codes & the blockchain can be downloaded for free, not that I actually mentioned this. A bitcoin itself is a symbol of mathematical computation, it is a proof-of-work electronically protected by codes that you obviously cannot get your head around. So what? The wallet does not store Bitcoins, because the wallet only records information about transactions, which I suggest you look into a little more before your 'hahaha that makes no sense to a dumb shit like me so how could it make any sense at all' responses. It is an agreement between traders. We never needed paper or coinage for anything but the storage of value that we ascribe to things and agree to conform to for the sake of transparent economy & ease of trade. Now, we have the advancing AI of modern computers to store this symbolic value for us, which is much more efficient, & doesn't need the fallible & fickle consent of bankers or their spotty sons & that means you |
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Numbers can be displayed on my mobile phone screen, not electronic coins that people call bitcoins Only if you can believe in your fiat digits reflecting the units of your assets on your mobile through alert and same way you can deem fot by going to the bank or bitcoin ATM or p2p to claim those digits into fiat cash that you spend daily, then i see no reason why you should doubt on the digital version of currency that is more improved and decentralized than fiat to be a unit of your account, whereby you can convert your stash or bitcoins into fiat, withdraw it, make use of p2p, and have every digital units of coins from your wallet into a currency you can spend anywhere any time, then why not save yourself the unnecessary stress and give am attempts first and dee if it's monetized or not. Yeah, that's a classical bitcoin propaganda and language manipulation that is used to lure people into believing bitcoins are real. You literally ignored everything in the OP, and just repeat the propaganda. Pretty pathetic. And here you have practiced two textbook examples of a propagandist: 1. Keep repeating a lie, "bitcoins aren't real", and hoping it sticks and that some will believe the BS. 2. "Accusation in a Mirror", as a quote taken from the French psychologist's 1970 book on the topic: imputing to the adversaries the intentions that one has oneself and/or the action that you are in the process of enacting
That is, you are the one using "language manipulation" to lure people into believe an untruth, and yet you blame others for such actions. ... except that, as you can see, no one here is falling for it. You know, the same as I, and the same as everyone else who read the OP, that bitcoins don't exist. There's no person on Earth that saw anything else in their wallet but numbers. The whole system, on the other hand, just stores data from which those numbers are calculated. So factually, there are no electronic coins called bitcoins. There's nothing in the ownership of number holders that would be counted with that numers. So, why are you lying? What are you trying to achieve?
Bro' stop trash talking. Saying BTC doesn't exist is like saying the value that we all agree is stored in the material of & markings on a $100 bill doesn't exist, because nobody can locate this arrangement physically. Bitcoins are blocks of encrypted information. The physical wallets we may use to send or receive this information, which represents an agreed upon storage of value for exchanging almost any other goods & services, only record transaction information. The fact that BTC does not occupy any more physical space, unless you print off paper wallets which some do, is part of its strength. It is evidence of the streamlining of the commercial currency exchange process. Pieces of paper & metal with markings on them that say this tender is representative of X amount of value because such & such an enforcement agency or government say so doesn't make coins or notes any more stable a form of currency than Bitcoin, which is a decentralized cryptocurrency with a proven track record of success as functional currency in the real world, for private individuals, huge exchanges, & traditional investors alike. If your country gets invaded or experiences some other more incremental catastrophe that destroys its economy, and your currency is suddenly rendered obsolete, you have nowhere to go. That is never going to happen to BTC because it is protected by the exponential growth in computer power & universal enfranchisement of using the internet. The majority have too much invested in these things to allow that economy to implode. Consensus wins, democracy wins. Not ancient Greek democracy or modern Greek democracy, but the universal ethical ideal of reason & transparency & faith in the long-held conviction of a majority. |
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All this is transparent desperate scaremongering/trolling & BS Bitcoin is real! Computers are real, man! We are really here! We are where we are & it is what it is! Money before BTC was made of metal & paper & there were people who said it would never work. There still are. They don't believe in magic! They can't accept the human ability to imaginatively impose its designs upon the world around it. Even when that 'world' is only the part that is explicitly occupied by human thoughts, values & associations. Money was always a 'promise to pay the bearer' backed by professional enforcement. It enabled trade among greater numbers of people by building confidence & establishing trust. Bitcoin is clearly a natural extension of the same process! The code & cryptography keep it, money, out of the hands of the maniacs, thieves & luddites. Protect the projection of our designs on the earth & beyond! |
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Yes it was the same the last time the old colonial power had a conservative government for a length of time.
Any mention of America was about how they were all stupid & spend their lives shooting at each other.
Now the same sort of bullshit is unsurprisingly resurfacing. It's called dog-whistle politics, because only beings with brains the size of an orange tend to respond to it.
The smelly old men from Mesopotamia will do to America what they have done to Russia & England if she gives up her guns. That's why they are trying to make a Trojan king out of Trump.
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I don't know if I can good to that length to hostage the bank or something. But one thing is for sure, if people could just learn how to put their money on bitcoin or crypto, in which they have total control, maybe in times of need, you can just transfer some and convert it to fiat anytime you want. You don't need to be a hero.
I don't understand how is he treated as a hero when what he did there was a crime? What if he accidentally killed his hostage? That will only make his situation worse. He will be sent in jail, he can't see his family, and then his savings will get confiscated and won't be enough to pay for what he did. Imagine all of that? But, I know why he did that and that is because of anger. Banks themselves do also have their fault on why they are freezing their customer funds. I think this is not written in their terms but people should understand this risk already and will try to move some of their money in cryptos because cryptoes doesn't have any restrictions whatsoever. A crime? Who says? And ignore this guy on 'crypto' as well, your money is not safe there. You can see the time Bitcoin is having, and Bitcoin is the daddy of crypto, so much it makes 'crypto' seem far too general to stand in for something so important as BTC. Most of these shitcoins don't even intend to be decentralized, which is what keeps banks & other state agencies from being able to publicly & legally confiscate the wealth of citizens. Of course, they still might commit to this act as 'a crime' |
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Bitcoin now serves a dual purpose. It can be a store of value for one fellow and a medium of exchange for another and which ever purpose it serves as long as the peer in the network have total control of their funds they are still in the line with the original idea. The goal is to give every Bitcoin holder full custody of their funds without a third party interference.
We have to be careful not to go from the frying pan into the fire though. It is more important that everyone on earth get a working currency than all nations having an alternative sort of fiat to exchange into to preserve their wealth against economic instability, which is pretty much just more of the same, & would go against the noblest sentiments attached to the BTC. The main source of value for Bitcoin is in use as internet currency. It exposes the predatory & amoral nature of people describing themselves as the state or the government, as though they are responsible for creating the universe & mapping the human mind. Take it back y'all! |
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~ I think if keep make bitcoin can legal on many countries will difficult to find people prefer save money on the bank than saving money with bitcoin assets as their investment on the future. Will have moving assets from money to be bitcoin as saving fund if really make it legal currency transaction.
I think this is exactly what governments fear to happen, and the more difficult it becomes to legalize bitcoin, the government will not be able to accept the loss of control to someone else. For us citizens, bitcoin is absolutely beneficial, but for the government bitcoin is the enemy, so it is not surprising that the government strives to stop bitcoin at all costs. It isn't easy to see bitcoin becoming a legal currency. Criminal activity is everywhere in the world. Criminals commit to guilt at every level in society. It can be by fiat money or by cryptocurrency. Such type of activity will continue as long as the earth exists. But we have to judge what is good and bad. Definitely this is not a logical reason to legitimize crypto. There will have others reason in the case of ban bitcoin. In a democratic context everybody has a say in what exactly constitutes criminality, not a cabal of old men in black cloaks & shiny shoes poncing it up. With this in mind, consider that the banning of BTC is wholly unethical, fascistic, & a criminal act in itself. This is what wars are fought over. |
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A man in Lebanon was hailed a hero after he takes a bank a hostage. And the reason why he did that? it's because he can't withdraw his money from bank. He had a family emergency, so obviously, he needed that money for hospital bills and all his saving is in that bank. And the hostage ended after the negotiators were able to produce $35,000 (£29,000) of his savings upfront. The suspect's brother told journalists: "My brother has $210,000 in the bank and wants to get just $5,500 to pay hospital bills." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62514631I don't know if I can good to that length to hostage the bank or something. But one thing is for sure, if people could just learn how to put their money on bitcoin or crypto, in which they have total control, maybe in times of need, you can just transfer some and convert it to fiat anytime you want. You don't need to be a hero. In other news, Video Shows Tanks Protecting Crisis-Hit Banks In China, Internet Says "History Repeats Itself". Banks are the Blockbusters of our current age. They are screaming, flailing and doing anything they can to stay relevant but the truth is, banks are becoming completely unnecessary and redundant. I relish the thought that, one day, bankers will be on the streets with a "will hold your money for food" cardboard sign. Its just the government's way of holding the people hostage. And if they do not have that, they can only threaten people by taking away their freedom instead of their money. And the government knows that. I feel bad for the Lebanese guy, especially considering his emergency situation, but this is a good show of why we need to get rid of banks as soon as possible! Banking strikes me as one of those sectors that attracts a certain kind of opportunist asshole seeking to employ a public industry for exploitative purposes. And now the general standard is improving, the unfair advantages they entrenched themselves for are no longer so available. Like you said, they look like they are becoming desperate & it all looks a bit cheap & old hat. Coronavirus & monkey pox & all this manufactured alarmist shit are their way of trying to hold on. Once upon a time the evil bastards would have used the plague or the black death or a great spate of food factory or bushfires or something  |
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A man in Lebanon was hailed a hero after he takes a bank a hostage. And the reason why he did that? it's because he can't withdraw his money from bank. He had a family emergency, so obviously, he needed that money for hospital bills and all his saving is in that bank. And the hostage ended after the negotiators were able to produce $35,000 (£29,000) of his savings upfront. The suspect's brother told journalists: "My brother has $210,000 in the bank and wants to get just $5,500 to pay hospital bills." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62514631I don't know if I can good to that length to hostage the bank or something. But one thing is for sure, if people could just learn how to put their money on bitcoin or crypto, in which they have total control, maybe in times of need, you can just transfer some and convert it to fiat anytime you want. You don't need to be a hero. In other news, Video Shows Tanks Protecting Crisis-Hit Banks In China, Internet Says "History Repeats Itself". Have to strongly disagree with your point about 'Bitcoin or crypto' because only Bitcoin has a proven track record & even seems reliable for the time scales you need if you are trying to protect your wealth from state rats. If you put $210K in some random not-really-decentralized altcoin then you are asking for trouble. And to go deep on this OP about heroism, it seems like it belongs to a flawed kind of binary thinking. To be a hero you have to have a problem to solve, maybe an enemy, an anti-hero or super villain, you can't really be a hero without such a thing right? Again you have to be asking for trouble just my two sats  |
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With the name of this website plus that of this thread I thought we could assume that 'coin' meant Bitcoin. Maybe I was wrong. I stop short of calling myself a maximalist but I only take Bitcoin seriously for the foreseeable future as a trading asset due to its functionality as working currency in the big wide world. Like I said I am not quite a maximalist, but, fuck normies and fuck shitcoins There is nothing wrong with your assumption. I can still understand even if you don't say it maximally, but there are still some people who think that the coin is not only Bitcoin even though in my mind and you are Bitcoin and nothing else. Because other coins will still not be able to develop to its full potential when Bitcoin stops moving in the market and it still has a very big influence in the market. I get what you mean but it's not just market forces at work in the traditional sense. This is a sensitive & emergent asset. And I have had the same convo many times about the term "cryptocurrency" which I don't have a problem with per se. You know I was thinking about this the other day though, what's going on in the international economy around the world, particularly a bank in Beirut. And it made even more sense to me in that context how maximalists are sort of warning people with serious need against the dangers of anything other than Bitcoin when it comes to storing capital in crypto. The most important thing is decentralization, the principle of private (or pseudonymous) ownership. It is dangerous & might turn out pretty sad if we sent the message that the most financially threatened people in the world were just as safe putting their fiat into any old form of cryptocurrency besides BTC, & until this is widely & properly understood & appreciated we in the developed world have a duty to shout about it. |
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The sad thing is, most people don't even think about these things. They are locked in a slavish mentality that simply seeks to get through each day. It is hard to go against the ways of dead generations, even though you know they are no longer working. Difficult, but necessary.
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Decriminalization & the fair distribution of our most lucrative & beneficial international resource, hemp cannabis, is our communist revolution. Decentralization & the gradual rolling out of opportunity for anyone & everyone to create personal wealth, which inevitably returns to the wider economy, is our capitalist revolution. We are Committalists BTC & MMJ are emerging hand in hand to symbolise the real terms universal improvement of global culture we are going to be witnessing through the twenty first century. Sure, we might not all quite get there, but we as a people are going to get there, & those of us with eyes to see at least caught the sunrise. We have seen the light! Long live the gains. Vires in numeris. |
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Bitcoin is open-source secure technology that functions as a decentralized currency on the internet for millions of people for over a decade. This is more about decentralization than encryption. Some forms of crypto use their encryption to conceal centralization as in scamcoins right? Let's face it, a working virtual currency is a very big deal for our internet age. Not just anyone could do it. Maybe the church has something to do with it? It is easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle, than to create an actually decentralized working currency for an information super highway |
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Maybe OP was talking more about how to get BTC more mainstream when the mainstream is still pretty anti-internet. I think a bigger problem is introducing Bitcoin to people without much socio economic literacy period. That is why the community dismisses them as 'normies', they are all conditioned to be told what to do by the biggest stakeholders in national fiat economies. Bitcoin is for people that have more to their being than a physical body & instinct for survival, in short, an ego. BTC is for people who are interested in enlightenment |
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Imo, criminal activities were there before bitcoin even came into existence. It is just an excuse. Cryptos being of decentralised nature are highly potential and governments are afraid as they have no control over cryptos.
What you're saying makes a lot of sense, because it's not about criminals happening but about not being able to have control over crypto itself by the government because of the decentralized nature of crypto. So the reason for the occurrence of crime is a nonsensical reason because crime can happen to anything if someone wants to do it with very bad intentions. Bitcoin is just a tool that can be used for anything. If it is used for crime, of course it is not bitcoin that is the center, but the user. It's the same as fiat money used to buy illegal weapons, of course fiat money can't be said to be a supporter of crime, but the perpetrators. The government does not have full control, but every transaction in bitcoin can be tracked by anyone because transactions are recorded on the blockchain and are transparent, the FBI will easily find the source of funds and where the funds end up. a country that tries to ban bitcoin for reasons of criminal activity, of course, is only an alibi not to use bitcoin because they can't control it. As everybody with any experience of the matter knows, Bitcoin is more traceable than cash money. Criminal organizations, like central banks, are always to be found with large amounts of one printed national currency or other. Legal jurisdiction is intra-national, not international, & in countries that call themselves democracies it is either based on ethical consent or subterfuge, slavery & serious fraud. As more insightful contributors than myself have already said, as the currency of the internet Bitcoin doesn't come under any one national jurisdiction under any established legal framework that has anything to do with ethical consent/consensus or democracy, only brute force & coercive mass deception. As long as Bitcoin is decentralized open-source currency that can be used by anyone anywhere without government oversight, which is the oversight of a bunch of people who openly think they are better than you, & are willing to back it up with violence of all kinds, then it will look like a threat to those people. I guess we have to get down to the nitty gritty of whether the law has to have anything to do with ethics, & therefore whether criminality has to have anything to do with genuine wrongdoing, exploitation & unfair play, instead of parroting media catchphrases to try & seem connected or influential. We have to get serious about understanding things like law, democracy, the right to property, life & liberty. We have to assess what things like sovereignty & suffrage & representation actually mean, what they should mean & what they are commonly presented to mean. This is all actually quite serious & sober Satoshi stuff. All the 'crypto bro' bullshit is to be deleted outright. Bitcoin is making us do that. |
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