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Those who are ready to invest new time should know that it is better to invest their capital in a place where the probability of loss is very low. Newbies are greedy for money and invest in Shitcoins. There is a lot of risk and short term hold in the market, but I would say it is best for beginners to invest in Bitcoin. Because there is no possibility of losing money if you invest in Bitcoin, because the money of all investors who have invested for a long time is safe. So if you want to invest in cryptocurrencies and want to keep your assets safe then it is better to choose Bitcoin.
Newbies have this mindset that crypto is a get rich quick scheme, which is not. Maybe they will learn it the hard way. Either case as we grow older in this market, we will learn when to buy, or when to start to accumulate and maximize our profits in the future. Best time to buy is bear market, although if we are going long term, we can do DCA as well. So it's true, the best way to buy and accumulate is during the dip and just be a holder.That is the best strategy here, HODL as much as you can and then time the market and sell when we are in a bull run or at the top of the price or near all time high.The first best time to buy was yesterday and the second best time is today and it is always now if you are considering long term investment in Bitcoin, you don't have to wait for any dip or bear trend but with your dca strategy you are already there in the market while any dip or bear trend can only be seen as an advantage of buying wholesomely at a cheaper price and having more quantity. You have to be specific when making use of the word crypto by not generalizing Bitcoin operation in terms of other coins because Their performance solely depends on Bitcoin if you want to say Bitcoin just say Bitcoin. Timing the market and sell when we are in a bull run or at the top of the price or near all time high as you said sounds more like a trading strategy who's intention is only to buy low and sell high, those who should be talking about selling are those who have attained higher level in their Bitcoin investment in as much as we are not talking or emphasizing on selling but to accumulate and hodl for as long as 5 to 10 years or more. Your very right about this, I've seen many newbies like me in the past just watching bitcoin grow and not taking any action towards buying bitcoin because of the price of bitcoin, but since I heard that I can buy bitcoin even with small amounts and accumulate over time with DCA I bought the idea and I'm planning to implement next month once I receive my salary, even if it's a little amount, to me it's better off starting than waiting till you have huge amount to buy at once with a lump sum when you can start from where you are with DCA and it also helps us to be less bothered about market volatility on our portfolio. |
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Example let's say I want to start investing right now in bitcoin and I have a monthly income of 1000$(it's assumption figures) and I decide that I want to invest about 300$ from that amount into a weekly DCA investment which should be about 75$ weekly invested in bitcoin and then I also had some cash from my savings that I also wanted to use to invest in bitcoin maybe to give myself some kind of head start and the money was about 3000$ and I decide to use 1500$ to invest right away, that is what a lump sum buying would mean.
Assuming your monthly salary is $1000, now you will invest $1000 every month or every week consistently. In this case, first of all, you need to confirm how much money you can spend every month on family management, children's education expenses, electricity bills and other sectors. Once you figure out these expenses, you can of course calculate how much money you have left over at the end of the month. You can consistently invest 60 to 70 percent of the money you have left over, minus all incidental expenses, within $1,000. After investing 60% to 70% consistently, you can save the remaining 40% or a part of 30% and keep some money for your spending. If you can invest with this plan then I am sure it will be very easy to hold your investment and you will be able to keep your investment for a long time and you will be able to consistently maintain your investment consistency. It's OK to invest in the DCA method. Assuming $1000 or more, you can easily work out the numbers on paper no matter how you calculate them. It is easy to say but very difficult to do. But I'm not belittling you here, you definitely can if you try. However, if you get a $1000 salary, the most important thing is how much money you can save there. As people's income increases, their needs and family luxuries increase, the more you can control yourself. How much are you able to face the challenge of saving money in particular terms? If you can control the amount of your monthly salary, your spending rate from the first week of the month to the third week of the month, you can execute DCA properly by applying the investment in the last week of the month. Expenditure depends on people's income, but if it can be calculated, it is possible to earn relatively small amount of money to meet all needs from that earned money and also invest from there. The income of every person living in our society is not the same, everyone has a different profession and everyone has a different income. Everyone from a bank officer to a van driver lives with his family and everyone thinks to expect the best from his position and thinks about everyone's future. A van driver earns $100 per month whereas a bank officer earns $1000 per month then a van driver earning $100 is definitely not used to living a luxurious life. On the other hand, a banker earning $1000 per month must try to live in a good place and expect a good life. Even after earning $1000 and living a good life, he must plan for his future and when he plans for his future, he can invest part of his income if he wants. Investing doesn't depend on how much money you are earning every month, basically investing depends on the individual. If the person wants to invest then he can invest even earning a relatively small amount of money. You have contradicted me by saying that it is easy to think about something but difficult to act on it, to which I will tell you that if you have a sincere desire you can do anything. In student life usually everyone is dependent on family still but he saves his own money or collects some money through various means he invests in this case if a working man earns enough money but does not get money to invest then he is definitely a failure. If we want, we can set aside a portion of our income at the end of the month for investment. The money you spend will never come back. But when you invest money that will give you profit as soon as it comes back, it is definitely wiser to invest money thinking about the future rather than spending a lot of money now. IMO i think when it comes to investing in bitcoin how much you earn doesn't matter as much as if you would have any disposable income available to invest, someone who has a greater expense than even his income cannot invest no matter how much he is earning, let's assume a person that is earning about 5000$ a month and has debt on his head that he needs to attend to of about 1500$ off his monthly income and what is left is 3500$ and probably he is also in some kind of medical shit or health challenge that also eats some part of his earning up to 1500$ again off remaining 2000$ for him, then he also has other expenses that range up to above 2000$, this kind of person is just living on the edge and cannot invest in bitcoin, although the illustration seems a bit too much since I kind find much realistic thigns to explain some senerios, and yeah some persons are already well living above their finances and don't have any disposable income left to invest in bitcoin, and another person earning 500$ monthly can have a total expense of 200$ per month based on how well he manages himself and maybe his lifestyle, and other things can also affect how much a person would decide to allocate to his investment, so based on your own senrio its also possible for the van driver to be able to invest more I bitcoin than the person earning 1000k, it just depends on how well they manage their finance and how much disposable income that is available to invest. |
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That is correct, and if you lump sum (or front load) right away, then you run a risk that the BTC price might go down, so you can either supplement your having had front-loaded (at a higher than the subsequent dipped price) by continuing to DCA while the prices ended up being lower or to have some extra that had been set aside to be able to buy on dips (that you had not known were going to happen but that you kept the extra money, just in case the dips happened, and they did end up happening so you use some or all of it to buy more BTC). It's very true about DCA beign the best supplement to front loading with a lump sum cause you know we can never predict what would happen next, while preparing for up it's also good we prepare for down, and if we have not kept that extra money for buying on dips then DCA would be a good back up, after I read this comment I began to have a better understanding of why they said DCA helps protect us from market volatility as in this persons case where immediately after front loading the market had a dip, and yeah he woudl be on a loss immediately in his portfolio, but let's assume it to happen this way. After investing 1500$ Into bitcoin, the market dipped up to 30% and his original investment would be down to 1050$( I don't know if I'm right on this calculation, quite new to this), and then immediately he woudl be thinking about trying to take his portfolio back to 1500$ which would be about a 500$ dip buy if he has the amount but in a case where is has already used up his reserves and disposable cash to dip buy and only has DCA allocation then its still not a very bad situation for him cause with time his DCA can Balance up his average buying and maintain his portfolio as long as he remains consistent in doing it. So I think the power of DCA comes with beign consistent on your investment as DCA can only be good and protect from volatility as long as you continue using it. |
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The recent times that btc hit ATH, was followed by significant declines, yes, it's on its way to 100k, but even as it rises to that mark, there's no guarantee that there'll be no declines on the way, infact, there's more guarantee of declines along the way. But however, if there happens to be no declines, that would be great, and then, still, those waiting for dips to purchase the coins will have a tough one. Let's just say, btc has a way of carrying everyone along. However, I speculate it reaches 100k within the year .
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Well I think someone has already said something similar to this, but here's the thought.
You shouldn't wait for dips to buy Bitcoin. It isn't a rule. If you're serious about acquiring Bitcoin, you'll buy whenever, now Bitcoin whales are still on it doing their 'whaling'. There's the DCA method for those who can't purchase units of btc (1btc, 2 btc .. )
Waiting for dips alone to purchase btc, in my opinion is not taking it seriously, a waste of time and lack of vision. If you're enthusiastic enough, dips won't be your only motivation to accumulate bitcoins, because there are those buying even beyond the dips.
There is a limited supply of bitcoins that can ever exist, with a total cap of 21 million. Currently, around 19 million bitcoins have been mined and are in circulation, leaving approximately 2 million left to be mined.
With that information in mind, it's to your own detriment if you are only waiting for dips to buy while whales are at it with thousands.
Buy Bitcoin now, even at the current rate, and during dips,buy more
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There have been many times that I have felt like skipping, but since push-ups can be done really quickly, I just decide to do as many pushups as I can, and then I end up either doing close to my full set, or maybe I just end up doing 70% of what might have had been able to do. .and so that keeps the progress going, even maybe if I ended up doing 30% to 50%, that would probably be better than skipping sessions, yet once I start doing the pushups, I usually cannot stop at 50%, so I usually will want to do more than 70%, and so I will find if I get to 70% and I am continuing to have energy and the pain is not that bad, I just keep going and in the end, I feel good about the session, even though I started out by not wanting to do it.. and even dreading getting started.
I often encounter this and I see it as a challenge, it was hard for me to face it for months as I continue skipping and procrastinating with the thought "i will do it tomorrow " and tomorrow started to feel like some endless loop  and i began to add weight  I was only able face it by just giving a little try with the though"just little" and gets motivated anytime I try the little to do more, thus achieving the daily sets  , from little to achieving more than expected is a good achievement for everyday fitness and there's no fitness without pain IMO Works like magic. When you think of the whole routine, your human, you can be discouraged. Even as most people here have no solid past record of fitness and exercise. But that thought of "just a little".. " however little", and then you start, could keep you going, thats a lot of motivation in 'just a little' way. When you get to it and you do the little intended, you may notice there's room for more, and with that going on , you'll hit full throttle, in a bit you'll be in your element. And yes, no fitness with no pain. No pain? No gain |
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Day 53.
I don't want to do this anymore. My elbow is in a lot of pain and 2 days off would probably make an incredible difference for me. I am now purely keeping this going for this thread and because I find it entertaining (and my arms are turning into tree trunks). If I were not publicly doing this challenge, I would have quit yesterday for sure. I will keep going though as if Bitcoin's price depends on it. If anyone else is struggling through this challenge, know that you are not alone. We can suffer together.
Enough complaining. Now to do some push-ups.
That's the end it deserved! Let's go! |
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Do you think it is convenient to buy bitcoin now according to your predictions? Or wait for its value to drop further?
As an investor. A Bitcoin investor. Supposing that you're a holder. I don't think you have to wait for dips before you accumulate coins, that would mean you are timing the market, and timing the market is a thing for traders to do. Holding doesn't have it necessary to time the market, most people who end up panicking at dips are timing the market, keeping an eagle's eye on it. Dips shouldn't be the only time you buy Bitcoin. When you buy at a certain dip, and then, there's a further dip in the market, you tend to panic. I think, wherever you meet the market, you buy your bitcoins, and from the tone of your question, this is an average person's case study, so, I'll say, you just DCA and keep buying, whenever you meet dips, nice, you have a little more you can accumulate. It shouldn't be your singular purchasing time. |
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You can call it whatever you like, but I am not going to call buying on dip lump sum since in my mind those are different categories, even though I can see how people might convolute them merely because they are choosing to buy extra on the dips that are higher than their regular DCA.. but I still think that fails to recognize and appreciate the concept of the lump sum that buys right now.
I already gave the example in my earlier post of a guy who had suddenly received $6k, and I think that I explained that sufficiently well, but let me mix it up a little bit.
Let's say that the person is absolutely brand new to bitcoin, and he knows that he can invest $100 per week for the next 6 months from his salary (his discretionary income / his cashflow), and so that would be $2,600 that he is already planning to invest into bitcoin. And so then he has $6k also that he can move from some other investment or maybe it is an extra amount that was in his cash reserves.., so with that $6k and the $2,600, that means that he has a total of $8,600 that he could invest over the next 6 months. He can divide it however he likes, except $2,600 is currently not available because that is going to be flowing to him in the next 6 months at a rate of $100 per week. So he could lump sum invest anywhere between $0 and $6k, but then if he puts the whole $6k into the investment, then he has no money for buying on dips - except for the $100 per week that he expects to come in for the next 6 months, and that is a choice that he could change if he thinks that it would be good to set a bit aside for possibly buying on dips.. beyond the mere $100 per week that he has.
He could invest $4k right away and then just save $2k for buying on dips.. and instead of having 1 or 2 buys at some various price points, he could instead have 20 buy orders of $100 each all the way down to $40k.. and maybe they are $1,200 apart with the first one being at $63k and the next one at $61.8k and the next one at $60.6k and then next one at $59.4k etc etc etc... or he could have 4 buy orders of $500 each at various points on the way down.. so then he runs the risk that the buy on dip orders will not fill... so there is no guarantee that any of them will fill and that is the trade off that he has to make when he chooses the difference between how much he is going to buy right now with his lump sum amount or how much he is going to allocate for buying on the dips versus DCA.. and maybe he just wants to add to his DCAs and so that is another way of dealing with the extra money that he has available and either of those cases in which he holds back lump sum buying right now, are preparing him for down but they do not prepare him as much for up, and those are trade offs that guys have to consider and decide, since more down might not happen from here... but then if down does happen, does the guy want to have more funds than his DCA amount or is he o.k. with taking his chances and just lump summing all or most of the amount that he has available right at or around current prices. and there is no exact correct answer except that the guy should consider each of the three categories when it comes to funds that he has available to him..
Even with the regular cash coming in, the guy does not have to DCA right away with it, he can hold back some or all of it for buying on dips, or maybe having options to later lump sum the saved up amount if dips may or may not end up coming.
From your explanation I've begin to grasp the meaning of lump sum quite well and how I can use it, from your explanation a guy has a weekly investment of 100$ per week for the next six months of his salary which is about 2600$ and then an extra income that or amount that he could also use to invest about 6k as you said, if the person wanted to lump sum, he would be investing or buying immediately with that amount irrespective of the market condition, I've also seen from some of your older Comment when someone that maybe is just starting out his investment and feels that he is too far away or starting late might just want to start with a little bit of aggression by front loading his investment with a lump sum buy and then continue his normal weekly DCA. Example let's say I want to start investing right now in bitcoin and I have a monthly income of 1000$(it's assumption figures) and I decide that I want to invest about 300$ from that amount into a weekly DCA investment which should be about 75$ weekly invested in bitcoin and then I also had some cash from my savings that I also wanted to use to invest in bitcoin maybe to give myself some kind of head start and the money was about 3000$ and I decide to use 1500$ to invest right away, that is what a lump sum buying would mean. |
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The way he divides the buying on dips is not necessarily lump sum investing, so guys here like to mix categories and say that lump sum investing is going on because a large amount might be invested on the dip, and I consider that to be sloppy thinking that fails to recognize and appreciate the difference in the categories.. even though some times the categories can seem like they overlap, but they likely can still be considered in their separate conceptual frameworks in order to make decisions based on the different kinds of trade-offs that might exist based on how a guy might choose to invest any sum of money that he has coming in.
I'm quite new here and I'm still doing some reading through, so I think from what you have just explained a lump sum is not every big money we throw into bitcoin, like in the case you used where the guy had a new amount of 6k and if he had decided to invest all right away that would have been a lump sum cause he made his purchase once and with a huge amount and if he maybe dividend it into three parts equal or not and invested them on intervals that would be a DCA buying Which I had understood from your recent comments on the board. Sir my question is if a person can make lump sum with a small amount, like I've read about how we can mix our strategies to have a maximum effect on our accumulation, like when we set aside some amount to buy on dips and this money is not up to 1k or maybe equal with the allocation you normally give to DCA , would I still call it a lump sum buying. |
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So far as life is concerned everyone needs to prepare their future on time and the best way is to learn a good investment practices that will stand as a relief at a time when we won't have the strength to work much again because that is what will smoothen our financial position in the near future and we should do away with the fear of failure and be very positive as well apply the best investment strategy that will enable us to become successful investors. Investments are attached with risks but the risks are minimal more especially when we invest in Bitcoin because you don't need to be disturbed about your investment as all you need do is just to keep your investment goals alive by accumulating more at every time there is a dip in the price of Bitcoin.
I've read some other comments in the thread and what your saying seems quite contradictory, I don't think the dip is the only time we should accumulate bitcoin since we are using the DCA method that involves buying at intervals and helps reduce the impact of market volatility on our portfolio, besides those who buy only at dips would miss out on all other times to buy. I think it's far better to buy eventide with DCA cause trying to time the market is the same as trading cause you might never buy If you keep on waiting for the dip especially as a new investors that needs to take more action than wait. |
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Ive been hearing about situations where someone buys a coin for a certain rate and not quite long after, the said coin drops in value, or someone sells his coin for a certain rate and then it appreciates just after.
What's your take on this? Given the period we're in is it buy time or sell time?
Well, I would say that investing is not just all about buying and selling, sometimes we need to hold as well. Planning is vital in investing and we need to analyze the market movement. A good investment strategy makes us succeed which I see that most of us don't have which is why many people suffer the consequences of losing their money and the collapse of their investment goal. Buy low and Sell high should be in our mind and avoid getting caught in FOMO and panic selling because this will ruin our plan and can bring us a disastrous end. It's said then. Holding is the pros strategy although it requires a lot of composure, patience and discipline, and as well it's also the way to hit it big. But, then, is it that simple? Is that the only best earning strategy for bitcoiners? |
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This is good for rich investors because they have enough money, which will allow them to accumulate bitcoin anytime there is a dip, and they will not struggle to solve their financial problems. If people who are using their monthly salary to accumulate bitcoin with the DCA strategy keep buying the bitcoin dip, they might have problems holding their bitcoin for the long term because they will use the money meant to solve their financial problems to buy the bitcoin dip. Since we are all in on bitcoin for the long term, any investor who doesn't have enough money to accumulate bitcoin in the bitcoin dip should concentrate on accumulating bitcoin with the DCA strategy. When it is time to accumulate bitcoin with the DCA strategy, if bitcoin is in dip, you can still buy it, and if bitcoin is not in dip, you will also buy it and have enough money to take care of your financial needs. with proper planning An average Man can also keep to the term of buying the dip whenever there's a dip , not just the rich alone , true that those who are financially stable have more advantages in accumulating more quantities Bitcoin using any of the strategy, but as an average Man that's not that financially stable would consider basing more on planning when accumulating more bitcoin, like putting an reserve money aside in order to buy the dip (he reserve money may not be as big as the rich but it can secure some good quantity for him) mostly when his entry was just right. The rich may be more aggressive and all that in their accumulation due to their financial capability. But if an average Man can be aggressive according to his financial capability without over doing it he won't have any urge of considering using his emergency or reserved funds to accumulate just in the name of wanting to be more aggressive. Preventing him from ever tampering with his investment, inorder to cover a certain expenses. When we are talking about buying at a dip, it is mostly the average investors that waits for a dip because their input is little therefore he will look for a time when he will buy at a more dipper price, then the rich doesn't even care about a dip because they are dealing with huge amounts of money of which they know that they will make some profits in it and they don't even DCA as most of them prefer buying a particular amount of Bitcoin and doesn't accumulate further but the average man uses the DCA because his investments is not in large quantity so it would take some time before he can accumulate as many as he wishes to using the DCA. Emergency funds is also important for any investor that is using the DCA because that is the only way to to keep the accumulating spirit alive if the original source is not yet available for the main time then the emergency funds can help to sort out other basic things of life without affecting the DCA Is true that an average Man can't purchase large quantities of bitcoin , instead he or she focus on using different strategies that is convenience to them in accumulating bitcoin. So as an average man that can't afford large quantity of bitcoin he would focus on using strategy like DCAing at first to start buying at different price interval without tampering with his emergency funds. And if such individual noticed any dip in market he or she would grab such opportunity to to buy more bitcoin as the price is low to secure some good quantities for themselves before any increase in market. Though even when market all green such individual may continue accumulating without any fear even when he or she endup buying the top (because I'd Bitcoin we talking about) because no matter along it might take bitcoin would keep undergoing break through. That bitcoin is the best project to invest on , in this space, given but the average and the rich the privilege to get wealthier. And we all believe that as Time goes on Bitcoin would keep on growing tremendously and gaining more adoption and those who take the chances to invest on it would also experience a tremendous growth in their finance changing one lives for the better. I agree to this, to the extent that the average person should find DCA as an investment strategy in Bitcoin as If you're looking to invest in Bitcoin, DCAing may be the safest way to slowly gain exposure to it. By not making a huge lump-sum purchase, you don't have to worry about the price at that specific moment in time. Furthermore, as it relates to HODLing, even if it's a go-to for investors planning to hit it large in btc, still it depends on what kind of investor you are, your priorities, and if you can stick to HODLing. HODLing as well as DCA requires a lot of discipline and composure especially the former. On this forum, I found this 'pattern' that makes so much sense for whoever isn't into holding, but wants to get into it. It's this, like DCA, any deposits made into your BTC has a threshold timeframe where you do not trade , be it 4years or more. I think 4years or more is enough time for your BTC to appreciate,and if you're making subsequent investments, they are only due for possible trading in the next designated number of years, however, trading is not the point here. HODLing is. When you've been able to hold for about six years, I'm sure the returns will have you motivated. And back to DCA. This is the go-to for whoever can't purchase those units. It's safe. |
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I will be a little twisty here, but first, I have the belief that Bitcoin will hit $100,000 late this year or early next year and I will not shy from boldly saying it ever.
But instead of doing the 100 push-ups a day when the coin has not reached $100,000 yet, I prefer to limit it to what it has achieved already and review it upwards and downwards depending on its further behaviours to reflect the prevailing market price. With this, I can only encourage myself to do daily every divisible by $1000 that Bitcoin achieve. For instance, if the price of Bitcoin is $43,000, I would do 43 push-ups on that day. As you can see, it will tally the $100,000 with 100 push-ups on the day it eventually hits the level, and this will also reflect the gist and fun in the OP more practicably.
This must also go with my palms on the ground and not the knuckles, that's what I'm used to.
Alright!! I really can do the 100 push ups, as its a sort of show of faith, but I like this idea too, sounds like a journey I'm willing to embark on. 66 push ups for today! Whenever the price drops, I'll stick to the last price it was at, I'll never drop with the price. |
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While we alternates to diversify our investment to the altcoins,
Diversification of investment, in my opinion, should have zero to nothing to do with altcoins, reason being that we know the risks involved in cryptocurrency as a whole, and then the coin in question is shitty? Sometimes, the risks are too great that an investor minded individual wouldn't take. Instead, try stocks or something else that's not shitcoin |
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Ive been hearing about situations where someone buys a coin for a certain rate and not quite long after, the said coin drops in value,
There is no need to be overly greedy, although you always want to buy at a cheaper price. Even if the price fell after buying the coin, this doesn't mean absolutely anything if you didn't sell at the dropped price, because you still have the coin. 1 coin = 1 coin. or someone sells his coin for a certain rate and then it appreciates just after.
Why worry about it if the seller made a profit? Another manifestation of greed. Curb your appetites. What's your take on this? Given the period we're in is it buy time or sell time?
How I don’t like it when they try to fit the situation into the only correct pattern. Now is the time to both buy and sell. It is the open market where both of these types of transactions occur. Those who benefit now are selling. Those who benefit from buying, buy. You don't know what to do in the current situation? Analyze your personal situation and, based on this, decide what is beneficial (or necessary) for you. You be mistaking greed for purpose and ambition you clearly cannot tell when someone is being greedy. Some people panic when coin price falls, as well as is when others see it as a window since their target coin grab becomes affordable.i just don't get your point, mister. And you can't go around calling me greedy, you don't know jack about me and my priorities. |
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Bitcoin to pay for purchases may be disadvantageous to the buyer, .
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With holding being the best course of action for bitcoiners, (also taking note of you saying it's self responsibility,) and direct purchase being a great action line for holders, this being disadvantageous is really a big blow. Is there really no way around it? That's without trading coming in, or does it have to?(that is, to stay in the rosy side) |
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Financial Inclusion: Cryptocurrencies can also provide financial services to both the unbanked and underbanked populations, talking worldwide. This increase in the access to financial tools and services can really promote economic participation and growth in underserved regions too.
Any wide swings or trends in the crypto markets will surely impact the price movement in crypto-themed stocks that have holdings or operate in the crypto markets. Take this, if bitcoin is breaking out, the stock of a company that mines bitcoin may break out as well. ( This is how Bitcoin affects the financial market).
This is my contribution to the post.
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Was it really necessary to re-quote? Buffer overflow on the WO  It's all just clustered and being a pain to both read and navigate. Don't they know how to shorten the quote or something. |
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Speculate on this topic. Let's gather the knowledge of the legends here.
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