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21  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 29, 2014, 04:36:03 AM
Mr. Teal, if something like that were to happen I would consider it a fail and just pay, if anything of this extreme nature happen even a week or two of not paying for me that would be PB in default and me loosing  even if that happened for only one or two weeks.  You see that why I keep the original agreement that I wrote simple but percise.
Nothing to be confusing or need a lawyer or a bunch of keys.  At one time a persons word given in public was the commitment and the proof. Like the  blockchain , verified by the miners. I don't know how this would work out with everyone, but I like to think i can be reasonable and intelligent enough in the future to know , Is PB here or is it not and is it paying out or is not.  I think most of us here can figure it out.
22  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 29, 2014, 03:52:07 AM
the details of the proposed bet is at end of page 242, its over , bet declined.  you don't want to do this, this is not what we should be doing, betting on if a bitcoin minning operation is going to go belly up or not. This is in bad form. I will not do this anymore. It's a fools bet anyway, with more chance of loosing than winning.  I'm done with this.
Lets do something positive for bitcoin and our mining position now.
23  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 29, 2014, 03:31:36 AM
Anya, donīt let those creeps screw with your head.

Just ignore them.
Thanks Galdur, Its amazing how people will go on endlessly for weeks and even months with misinformation about how this is a ponzi , its a scam , its going to be gone soon, Its only a few weeks from oblivion, its going to be gone in six months , its going to be gone in one year, then they throw some bitcoin math at you that no one sure where it came from.  But you know Galdur, when its time to match your talk with actual bitcoin, thats what seperates the men from the boys, and in this case the boys from the girls.
Every morning when I set off on my bitcoin mining adventure,  I make sure I have my boots properly tied , with no laces dragging. I've got my belt synched up so my skirt isn't hanging low, most important of all, my mom packs my lunch box with extra snacks and drinks because I know I'll need the extra energy for this bitcoin adventure.
24  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 29, 2014, 02:12:50 AM
Here is how I propose to formulate the bet:
This bet will resolve to "yes" if before November 25 2015, most or all pbmining.com customers stop receiving their weekly payments, or receive payments that are significantly below that which corresponds to the theoretical yield of their purchased hashrate vs bitcoin difficulty at that time .

Simple, completely in line with the claims I made and no obvious loopholes. Ill leave it up to the escrow to determine what "significant" constitutes, as it seems unlikely to be a number that could cause confusion.

Puppet, for long time now you been saying is obvious ponzi and going to fail ,  for long time now you been saying it going to fail soon. That within a year wont be here. Because it's a PonZi right ?  you been making statement that PB mining.com is a scam, the finaces look bad, it going to fail within a year. Going to fail within a year, we heard this over and over from you. Therefore . after all these statement, what I am asking you is do you believe PB will fail by NOV. 25. ?  This isn't about hash rate or bitcoin difficulty, theoretical yield of any of that crap. It's simple are you willing to put your .5 bitcoin on the line to back up what you been saying out here for weeks , that PB is going to fail.  I only ask you agree to pay or at least stop saying this, As its not good to be publicaly saying things you you your are not willing to support as your word as an honest man in the world, and your bitcoin. Say only what you really believe in , use it sparingly.  Treat it as your treasure
I don't think Puppet's conditions are unreasonable. It's more common with Bitcoin scams to not actually disappear entirely. They have a convenient fire/hacking/other catastrophe, followed by promises to make the investors whole (often with a few small payments), followed by months of dragging things out until people become tired of following it. It should hardly be considered a win for the "It's not a ponzi" side if after 3 months pbmining stops sending payouts, but drizzles out a couple hundred BTC over
the course of 6 months while dragging things out.
This was never a bet about wether this was a ponzi or not.  It was if Pbmining.com would be here NOV. 25 of next year. with PB mining  I'm sure other know and can fill you in on the details , PB mines and derives it calculations by alogrthem  which is constant but changing with difficulty, therefore and my math agrees , all these arguments  and this slander I've heard, of PB is an insult. Look, if the payments of mining becomes dust, as I often hear out here, its going to not only be PB mining whose payments are dust its going to be everybodys payments whose payments are dust. That argument of how low the payments are because of difficulty doesn't mean anything about PB but more about the entire bitcoin network in general
 One other thing, when you make any kind of bet, always work it down, to yes or no situation date ect, don't let all these foolish complications you heard here destroy it   keep it down to a yes or now bet or you will need two judges and three lawyers to sort it out
25  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 29, 2014, 01:18:43 AM
Here is how I propose to formulate the bet:
This bet will resolve to "yes" if before November 25 2015, most or all pbmining.com customers stop receiving their weekly payments, or receive payments that are significantly below that which corresponds to the theoretical yield of their purchased hashrate vs bitcoin difficulty at that time .

Simple, completely in line with the claims I made and no obvious loopholes. Ill leave it up to the escrow to determine what "significant" constitutes, as it seems unlikely to be a number that could cause confusion.

Puppet, for long time now you been saying is obvious ponzi and going to fail ,  for long time now you been saying it going to fail soon. That within a year wont be here. Because it's a PonZi right ?  you been making statement that PB mining.com is a scam, the finaces look bad, it going to fail within a year. Going to fail within a year, we heard this over and over from you. Therefore . after all these statement, what I am asking you is do you believe PB will fail by NOV. 25. ?  This isn't about hash rate or bitcoin difficulty, theoretical yield of any of that crap. It's simple are you willing to put your .5 bitcoin on the line to back up what you been saying out here for weeks , that PB is going to fail.  I only ask you agree to pay or at least stop saying this, As its not good to be publicaly saying things you you your are not willing to support as your word as an honest man in the world, and your bitcoin. Say only what you really believe in , use it sparingly.  Treat it as your treasure

Why you waste time on this screwball is totally beyond me.
 Because with as much as you think you know about math, there is always someone that knows a bit more than you do. In this case, I only wish we had seen Puppet  step to the plate recline on the bet, based on miscalculation. Rather than through complications into this. Pb either going to be here to NOV. 25 or not.
         That would of been wise thing to do. Because of this,  We all speak loudly and out of place at time in our lives. Puppet is smart enough to realize that he can not accept
this Anya Yakubu bet.  Because it a loosing bet. Don't accept this bet.  Regardless of other peoples math, mine tells me that if PBMIning.com Smiley  If is really mining then they would be around a year from now. However if they were not mining they would still be around, no doubt, and possible for years if run properly. Puppet did the right thing, this one year pb mining or not betting is not in good taste, I would most likely be taking his bitcoin. I will end it now.
 good point indeed Galdur,  However good move on his part.
26  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 28, 2014, 11:59:11 PM
Here is how I propose to formulate the bet:
This bet will resolve to "yes" if before November 25 2015, most or all pbmining.com customers stop receiving their weekly payments, or receive payments that are significantly below that which corresponds to the theoretical yield of their purchased hashrate vs bitcoin difficulty at that time .

Simple, completely in line with the claims I made and no obvious loopholes. Ill leave it up to the escrow to determine what "significant" constitutes, as it seems unlikely to be a number that could cause confusion.

Puppet, for long time now you been saying is obvious ponzi and going to fail ,  for long time now you been saying it going to fail soon. That within a year wont be here. Because it's a PonZi right ?  you been making statement that PB mining.com is a scam, the finaces look bad, it going to fail within a year. Going to fail within a year, we heard this over and over from you. Therefore . after all these statement, what I am asking you is do you believe PB will fail by NOV. 25. ?  This isn't about hash rate or bitcoin difficulty, theoretical yield of any of that crap. It's simple are you willing to put your .5 bitcoin on the line to back up what you been saying out here for weeks , that PB is going to fail.  I only ask you agree to pay or at least stop saying this, As its not good to be publicaly saying things you you your are not willing to support as your word as an honest man in the world, and your bitcoin. Say only what you really believe in , use it sparingly.  Treat it as your treasure
27  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 28, 2014, 11:29:49 PM
I'm glad you not going to conceed. But Puppet, do me one favor. I would like you to give some thought to the weight of some of the things that you say out here.
For a long time now I been listening to you boost much wisdom, some very good, however dont ever offer bets  that you dont believe in enough to honor.  #2  everyday I hear you say PB is a ponzi and it going to fold , even right up to today you now offering a bet of six months, and saying PB MIning>com as you prefer might even fold in weeks. When You, do this and some one says , I.ll take you on, one year,  dont  throw in complications, it's yes or no.  got to go now anya
28  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 28, 2014, 10:39:53 PM
Why am I in a rush? Puppet, the other day, you were challenging everyone here, you claimed PB mining, would never last out one year. You were what I would call taunting others here and then you suggested how about a bet.  You made claims to how no one who believes in PB mining would come forward and take your bet 2 for 1 and kinds of bold talk of PB folding. Other comments were made as to where are all the men who will take this bet, and made comments as to people were not exactly lining up to take you up on  this. 
         Ive met this challenge, in a simple as possible way. If Escrow conditions can be found, sure I would participate in this. I just will need to learn how to do it.
However what is bothersome, 

you say this----(As for the phrasing of the bet; lets call it pbmining.com and not "pb". I also want to stipulate that I win the bet if payouts substantially diverge from theoretical mining yields. So for instance if pbmining comes up with some new fee or whatever, to reduce payouts to a few satoshi, or declares being hacked/fire/whatever and begins paying out just a fraction of what would be expected based on difficulty, I still win

The very simple bet I propose to you after your offer has been contaminated by all this in your above statement. You original statement of this contained nothing about reduced payout or satoshis. you were claiming PB was going to be gone. This is simple , not all that above , its so simple that your either betting PB mining.com as you prefer is either going to last to Nov. 25 or its not , has nothing to do with all that .

Wether one uses escow or not , this was more of a simple , yes I agree to this  or no I don't .
29  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 28, 2014, 09:41:14 PM
I Anya Yakubu, in sound mind and thought accept a bet with Puppet.  Our wager will be as follows:  Should Pb mining fail, which would mean my dashboard no longer shows on my screen and mining, and that payout has ceased, and it is a general consensus on this forum that PB has failed before the date of NOV.25, 2015  6 PM Eastern Time. I will at that time send to Puppet .5 bitcoin with no excuses or delays. Likewise Puppet has agreed to pay me .5 btc  if at the date above is reached PB mining has payed the Sunday before this date and my dashboard is still mining on our screens. Let this agreement be publicly noted. As this has been written so it shall be.

Ok Puppet, I think that all we need, I'm not going any where all you have to do is agree to same. Anya
30  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 28, 2014, 09:21:57 PM
It was supposed to be 2X estimated payouts for the next year.

I want simple double or nothing bet, straight out , not confused with payouts, maybe we should do .5 so that way would be winner take the bitcoin. That sounds like fun don't it? Yes I'm serious about this,  So puppet what do you say , can we do this? Anya

I cant seem to find a way to do this bet using multisig (with escrow agent for mediation only). So I propose a different solution; I create a bet on
http://bitbet.us/

I'll keep the bet open for a few weeks (tops, because I suspect pbmining may be getting really close to collapse) and resolution in 6 month instead of 12.

Anyone would be able to bet either side, so I cant guarantee you'll make even odds. I suspect you will do much better than that should you win, but thats just my guess.

Let me know if that works for you.
Hello Puppet,  Have you lost your mind? You think PB is really close to collapse? You think that PB has only a few weeks left and at the most six months? I strongly disagree.
I want only are original bet to NOV. 25, 2015. I don't want this watered down bet for six months. I would be willing to use an escrow to do this but actually what I prefer is this. 
Just as the block chain is public ledger of all bitcoin transactions. This bitcoin forum is a public record of all people say. This is how this would work. In a few moment I will post our written bet agreement. You can choose to accept or decline. If you accept you will quote this bet agreement with your word for all to see. I will save this to text file for future use. I will give my word on girl scouts honor that if I loose I will simply pay you. Likewise if we make it to Nov. 25 you will just pay me. It involves trust of a persons word that they will do as they say. I don't think .5 btc is such a big deal for either of us, and I don't think either of us would be willing to try to cheat on this in front of this entire forum.  If in the mean time you can come up with escrow , I will be willing to pay into that also. Give me a few moments and I will post this agreement publicly for us.
31  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 26, 2014, 10:23:35 PM
Wow, came home and 5 more pages of this same to read today. I never thought this whole topic could have this much wind in it's sails to go on for weeks like this.
Maybe I should write a poem?  Ok let me give it a try.

PB mining up north so far, where the weather is cold,
the days are long.
      Can I ask you a question, tell me if I'm wrong.
Your mining is in secret, never to be shown?
    We would like to know you and learn how you mine.
Some are saying your a ponzi, others claim it's a scam.
I'm a bitcoin girl with my money on the line.
   Can I trust you to come though for me,
When it's the right time?
The coins I will loose really don't matter. although would be nice if my wallet was fatter.
I'm having my say although I wasn't appointed.  How nice it would be
if we didn't have a lot of people disappointed.




32  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 26, 2014, 12:24:10 PM

I want simple double or nothing bet, straight out , not confused with payouts, maybe we should do .5 so that way would be winner take the bitcoin. That sounds like fun don't it? Yes I'm serious about this,  So puppet what do you say , can we do this? Anya

I accept your bet.
Given the small amount, I would however like to make it useful for something else too, and take the opportunity to figure out multisig transactions so we can set this up in a way that we are not 100% reliant on escrow. 3 keys, one to each of us, third key held by escrow.  Im not sure how to do that in practice.

          I'm not sure how to do this either Puppet but glad you accepted the bet. Lets see what we can find that would help facilitate something like this. Anya. I might also consider a certain SR member out here that you and I both know to hold the third key if they would accept to do it. Anya


33  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 26, 2014, 01:16:10 AM
I think itīd be disrespectful to offer Puppet less than
25-30BTC (payout 50-60BTC) for this bet so maybe
a pool ?

What you need to understand, is i really respect puppet, I agree with 95 % of what he has to say.  However because being a student of math as those who have seen my post in the past.  For me PB is an interesting math problem at all times evolving. Even though most of what Puppet says is in very good judgement,
We need to understand that even if something like PB was a Ponzi, math tells me that it could operate successfully for many years. We are now past the era of short term ponzi schemes, that was common all through the 70's and 80's . Now with this bitcoin mining, it is possible to have long term ponizi scheme that takes years to unravel.  Therefore, I don't disagree with any of puppets common sense reasoning, Except his challenge that PB will end and be gone by this day next year.  I don't think that wise to do this puppet, but I am a bitcoin girl, looking for a bit of double your bitcoin, double your fun. Consider to reconsider, or put up. I will respect your judgement on this. Anya
34  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 26, 2014, 12:18:25 AM
I donīt know; maybe it was a heat of the moment thing.

And that bet challenge was issued to me, may not apply
to others. Not that I care if Puppet loses money.

That makes no sense at all>  He clearly issued a challenge by saying this,   ( for the next year

what do you say men ?

Instead of a discussion, how about a bet? )

He is not talking to you.  He's issuing a challenge , not specifically to you but to all men. I'm a woman and maybe I'm disqualified by gender. however, I got .5 btc, and I am willing to put my money forward.  Certainly after the days of conversations out here with everyone saying ponzi  and all the reasons he gave, and all the talk that was created.
After all  the pages  and pages of every ones opinion about  all of it, that I had to read through, Especially all that Puppet had to say about it. It is now time to put our bitcoin where forward.  I am ready.
35  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 25, 2014, 11:42:38 PM
It was supposed to be 2X estimated payouts for the next year.

I want simple double or nothing bet, straight out , not confused with payouts, maybe we should do .5 so that way would be winner take the bitcoin. That sounds like fun don't it? Yes I'm serious about this,  So puppet what do you say , can we do this? Anya
36  Economy / Services / Re: PB Mining -- 5 year mining contracts! on: November 25, 2014, 11:10:25 PM
Maybe do this ponzi discussion say once a month

for the next year

what do you say men ?

Instead of a discussion, how about a bet? Or letting me short this ? How about I double your ponzi profits if I turn out to be wrong, and I get to keep the principal if I was right?  We use escrow. How much are you willing to bet on pb still honoring its contracts 12 months from now?

Not everyone at once. Surely the pb believers would like to earn 2x more no?
     Well Puppet I don't know what the men say, but I'd like to take you up on this bet. The bet will be a double or nothing bet, .2 btc, for one year each of us giving this amount to a escrow to be help until November 25 2015 6Pm Eastern time. At that time or before if PB fails to exist or pay out, the escrow will pay the .4 btc to  to the proper winner minus his fee should there be one. If we can find proper escrow to handle this I'm on. Anya
37  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTB] I search for pbmining contracts on: November 25, 2014, 12:27:54 AM
Yeah, well, it is still not clear if pbmining is legit or not. So people who ROId it might want to cut the risk and
cash out now by selling their contract. I saw some [WTS]'s for contracts well below shop price in the past,
but at that time I didn't have enough spare coins to join. Now I have Smiley

Do you do anything on cloudming David?  Not sure that legit either but pays out well and they very responsive to request.

Anya - you are perfect client for him Cheesy - you know that i know Smiley everything is depend of you!  If you are not sure about transaction i can help with escrow or any other thing you will ask me.. of course for you for free Smiley
Such nice words of trust for me Lucas,  thanks so much, but I'm not selling any contracts, I was only giving David solid advice, on how to go about doing what he looking to do.
I wanted to make sure he didn't get confused like so many other have. They send off an email to PB explaining all about what they want to do, giving them all the details of the whole deal.  Then they sit and wait for PB to say, Ok David, we be glad to transfer that contract from ABC to you. How nice to work with you, we will make these changes imediately. -- No this isn't the way to do this , so don't waste your time like this.  That isn't even likely to happen, so to do this simply follow my previous post how to do this, Thanks  Anya
38  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTB] I search for pbmining contracts on: November 24, 2014, 11:05:41 PM
Yeah, well, it is still not clear if pbmining is legit or not. So people who ROId it might want to cut the risk and
cash out now by selling their contract. I saw some [WTS]'s for contracts well below shop price in the past,
but at that time I didn't have enough spare coins to join. Now I have Smiley

Do you do anything on cloudming David?  Not sure that legit either but pays out well and they very responsive to request.
39  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: CloudMining.website is offering 1 GHs @ 0.001 BTC [Limited Time Offer] on: November 24, 2014, 10:17:23 PM
After hearing about this on HashTalk and then reading this thread, i just bought 800 GHS.
Too bad you didn't  buy that last week could of got 80 bonus hashes, but good luck to you, It is paying out nicely for me.
40  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTB] I search for pbmining contracts on: November 24, 2014, 12:16:28 AM
Thanks, good to know. How long did it take for them to perform the change?

Let's say PB was fairly good about it. it went a bit slow because we didn't know what we were doing at first, was a learning curve involved. Make sure you created new Email address for each account you buy, as you can't use same email on more than one account.  Work out your escrow and then have the seller request email change. Once that is done have him give you the password and change it to your own, then change the payout address. Then it will remain under the name they created but you have full control of the account, good luck.
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