The reason why I think a vote is unfair for the people who have lost their BTT account is because people who vote against the reimbursement have something to GAIN when they vote for neither. After all, those people might only act out of self-interest keeping in mind that those NEM stakes probably will get redistributed into the NEM economy and into THEIR wallets.

This puts an incentive on voting AGAINST reimbursement, leaving the already duped in an even more negative position.

Therefore the vote will always be biased and can not result in a fair outcome for the people who lost their stake.

To continue with this discussion, when and how are we as a community going to decide what to do with these particular stakeholders?

Dear community,

I would like to point out the following situation:

Some members who have applied to join the New Economic Movement have lost access to their BTT account.

In a few cases, these same people have made contact with the development team with a second (new) account in order to claim their token.

I have come up with a simple system in which these tokens can be reclaimed by the rightful owner without risking the original owner getting scammed.


System: 


The developers assign two types of priorities to the following accounts:


Priority 1 (highest priority): The original (lost) BTT account.

Priority 2 (lowest priority): The new BTT account.



Then, whenever someone claims to have lost access to an account, the developers would have to carefully inspect the case and hand over a so called "temporary token".

If the original owner claims the token from the original account at a later point in time, the developers would have to remove the "temporary token" from the list and blacklist the person who had claimed a "temporary token".

If the original owner is in fact the same person as the one who claimed the "temporary token", the stake has found it's way back to it's owner.

With this simple system, you can help those who are in a bad situation while preventing any scam.



Feedback is welcome!

Good relevant questions to which I do not have a perfect answer too (and I am not sure if they exist).


There are only a handful of accounts which received a stake through marketing etc. which makes the overview quite manageable.

When someone tries to get lucky with one of them accounts there will probably only be one if none that doe not reply to the inquiry from the developers to
prove their account to be active. The chance of a fraudster finding an account with a lost password that does not reply to the message from the developers is very, very small and should discourage any fraudster of trying to claim a stake through this method. After all, if there is one inactive account, there will only be one "fraudster" to be able to "steal" that stake.

And if no-one has lost their password, there will be no problem at all.

Once an account has been proven to be active after a claimed "locked account" then you encourage the person in question to double backup their password and make sure they can reclaim their password through the built in password recovery in this forum board.

Furthermore a testing period of this policy could be put in place to see if there are any claims coming in, in this testing period, any claimed stake can still be declined by the developers of the NEM at the launch of NEM. This way, the power of decision making lies still in the hands of the developers, again discouraging any fraudster and making it possible to stop any attempt to steal some elses stake.

When two people claim to have lost an account, and indeed the account claimed does not reply we should let both parties know there is another person claiming to be the rightful owner. From this point on the power to hand out the stake still lies in the developers team and they can decide to not give out the stake to either two. The discussion that follows or will not follow can make a difference.

An inactive period of time does not prove ownership, but the the knowledge that your account's stake will 100% never be claimed does.

***WARNING, LONG POST, PLEASE READ CAREFULLY***


Dear All,


A while ago I created an account to be able to take part in the IPO of NEM.

Because I did not want any spam in my e-mail folder I signed up using a 10minutemail.com address.

I wrote my password down on a piece of paper to secure my rightfully owned NEM-stake,
but unfortunately I lost the piece of paper which contains the password.

I tried and tried to guess the password multiple times, but without any success.

Because I attach great value to this project and the sheer fun of being able to take part from the early start I do not give up easily and came
up with a system that allows people to reclaim their "lost" stake while minimizing the chance of fraud.



THIS POLICY ONLY APPLIES TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECEIVED THEIR NEM STAKE THROUGH MARKETING, THE LOGO CONTEST, THE SPREADING OF NEM ETC.
This narrows the possible people to claim to have been locked out down to only a small and MANAGEABLE number of people, keeping the fraudsters at bay and protecting the
people from being the victim of fraud. NOT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECEIVED A NEM STAKE BY INVESTING BTC; People who paid using BTC theoretically have other ways to prove their ownership



For Starters:

There are a few things I am certain of, which, as time will prove are the truth.

NO ONE is going to log in to my old account because NO ONE else has the password or access to my old account.

I am therefore 100% sure (and time will prove this) that the stake sent to the account of which I lost the password will NEVER BE CLAIMED by anyone.

Not after 10 days, not after 30 days, not after 2 years.

With this knowledge in mind I would like to claim my rightfully owned stake through a method of verification that is not yet put in place in the NEM project.

I would like to propose the following POLICY in order to help ME and OTHERS who are in the same position as me get back their stake.

This way I would like to empower the people who lost their password WITHOUT being a security threat and with a VERY, VERY SMALL CHANCE OF FRAUD.



This is still a proposition, so any feedback, adjustment to this policy is more then welcome.



Proposition:

The NEM Development team should implement a policy that puts a time limit on people to claim their NEM stake after the project goes live if people say to have lost access to their account.

This time limit could be any number, but in this example lets say that time period should be 30 days.

The only people who are affected by this time limit are the people who claimed in advance that they have been locked out of their account.

When people approach the moderators that they have been locked out of their account, this notice should be taken care of and written down in a special list like this:



Step 1:

Locked Account:

Name: ******* (old user account)

Claimed By:

Name: ******* (new user account)




Step 2:

Next, the moderators sent various PM's to the "Locked Account" to check for any replies and to alert people their account has been claimed to be locked out.

Whenever the moderators receive a message in return, the "Claimed By" account is banned and put on a black list and the request has been denied.

Claiming a "Locked Account" can only be done once, a second loss of password is denied.



Step 3:

When the claimed "Locked Account" does not reply by the final release of NEM, the following step is released.

If after 30 days of the final release of NEM the stake has not yet been claimed, the stake will then be sent to the "Claimed By" account and the user who
contributed to this project will have his/her NEM stake in the "Claimed By" account.



Finally:


I know most of the people on the board have their time to spend on other things, that is why I as I am in this position came up with this policy system to help myself and possibly others from the fact of being human and getting locked out of the your account. I hereby sign up to voluntarily deal with these kind of problems so the core developer team can keep up doing their work.



PLEASE, before you post a comment make sure you understand this policy completely, any constructive comment is more then welcome!