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21  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 27, 2014, 04:08:29 AM
I'm only thinking about the apologies I expect to receive after all is said and done  Cool

You must be religious.  Seems most people are aware your site is a scam.


I am, got a problem with that?

Nope, just shows your mental state and that you are gullible.  No doubt you believe your scam will succeed.  Wink
Well I'm not religious, and I tackle everything analytically. If there is no proof I don't believe/support it.
This is not a scam and it will succeed.

This is also likeyl the last post I will have for a while
Phantom, Digi, deal with this, I'm stepping away as dealing with Vod for a few hours has pissed me off and stressed me out.


I'm going to go relax to some Walking Dead
22  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 27, 2014, 03:53:34 AM
BTC has no regulation so it is not necessary for them to speak with a lawyer.

lol.  Man you have to shut up.  You are clueless about how the US trading regulations work, esp with corporations dealing with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.
And you need to stop spreading unfounded lies and FUD!

Hey liar.  You are the one knows nothing about what a LLC is.  I do.

Nothing I have posted is a lie.    Roll Eyes
Nice way of fabricating lies. Where do ya see these posts?

You posted them and deleted them.  I'm sure other people saw them.

Thanks for showing everyone how honest you are.   Tongue
I am no longer posting anything without first checking with Dan/Glenn as dealing with you for several hours, and looking at that picture of that retard Peter Griffin has severely ticked me off.
You'll regret saying these things once the company takes off.
I'm only thinking about the apologies I expect to receive after all is said and done  Cool
same
23  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 27, 2014, 03:45:34 AM
BTC has no regulation so it is not necessary for them to speak with a lawyer.

lol.  Man you have to shut up.  You are clueless about how the US trading regulations work, esp with corporations dealing with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.
And you need to stop spreading unfounded lies and FUD!

Hey liar.  You are the one knows nothing about what a LLC is.  I do.

Nothing I have posted is a lie.    Roll Eyes
Nice way of fabricating lies. Where do ya see these posts?
24  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: -----Tired of losing money? Let us trade for you!-----(Do not reply) on: October 27, 2014, 03:09:40 AM
I AM NOT LYING!
Your lies are unfounded, and I am tired of the FUD!
Speak with the owners if you wish but I am done.


LLC is basically what any company starts off as. Once it grows it is no longer an LLC.

Main thread----> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829885.0

Do not reply to this thread.
25  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: -----Tired of losing money? Let us trade for you!----- on: October 27, 2014, 02:42:54 AM
Since they are registered in the US they are bound by US law. Which means if they shutdown and steal coins, they are subject to lawsuit.

They strive for 5% a month, there is no guaruntee that 5% is what will be returned. Look in the terms and conditions

There ya go.

No guarantee of payment.  Once they hit their ponzi peak they shutdown and post apologies, saying they made bad trades and lost all the coin.

Nothing illegal about that - owner gets to walk away with all the stolen coins and nothing is done to him.

BTW - why did you make TWO threads about this so we have to post everything twice?

They can still be sued personally.

Also I had the other thread in a different area, someone moved it to this part of the forum where I already had this one.

They are getting a liscense to take USD investments.
How can they prove to you that they are a legitimate company and aren't trying to scam you?
26  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: -----Tired of losing money? Let us trade for you!----- on: October 27, 2014, 02:26:27 AM
This is a ponzi.

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ESOTERIC INVESTMENTS LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY

Once the ponzi collapses, the owner walks away consequence free with the coins.   Undecided
Since they are registered in the US they are bound by US law. Which means if they shutdown and steal coins, they are subject to lawsuit.
You don't see ponzis and scams registered and based in the US.

Bernie Madoff only paid 12% a year and those rates were proven to be  impossible

You are offering 5% a month

If you dont get banned something is wrong with this place .......

They strive for 5% a month, there is no guaruntee that 5% is what will be returned. Look in the press release, I have a piece of it in the OP:

Press Release: https://www.esotericinvestments.com/pr/oct-22-2014.php
Terms & Conditions: https://www.esotericinvestments.com/terms.php



Risks to investors
Esoteric Investments, LLC does not guarantee any sort of results of any kind as we are speculating the markets. Speculating is never certain and comes with its own risks including but not limited to that of market exposure, exchange performance, and security.

Included risks are:

Security of online exchanges: Our trading is done just like any individual person’s trading, using online exchanges which are constant targets for hackers, hidden scams, or suffer unexpected shutdowns. For this reason, we use trusted exchanges like Cryptsy and Bittrex for our trading.

Whenever able to, we spread funds across several exchanges that have the coin(s) we are looking to trade to minimize the risks of any one given exchange’s failures in security or function.

Our systems security: We take every measure for security within our means. Currently, this includes any Bitcoin not being used for trading being kept in offline wallets. These funds include but are not limited to new investors’ deposits, investor credits, and the payout reserve pool. We utilize modern encryption at all times and every page is SSL secured to safeguard your personal information within our system.

We research and take every possible precaution possible to make the best investment choices we can, but no market, no matter how reputable, is ever certain. Although unlikely these types of losses are possible and at times can be completely out of our control.

There is no promise that you will get 5%, merely this is what they will aim for. Also this will get harder to return as more people invest and the pool grows. (Unless Glenn gets more traders)

If you dont get banned something is wrong with this place .......

Moderators do NOT remove likely scams.  They leave it up to the community to self police.  The OP has a negative trust rating, and that should scare off most newbies.
There is only one negative trust and that is from Vod... Anyone can post negative trust, and it is unfounded and untrue. If you were to invest money yourself, you would see that it is not a scam and perfectly safe...
If you don't wish to invest then don't, but don't spread unfounded FUD and lies. No one has been ripped off or scammed, and no one will.
27  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 27, 2014, 01:43:49 AM
Boy, I don't need to discuss. Will see. Let's they speak with attorney.

Regards.

Yes, let us talk with attorneys to get a better idea of what the situation really is. Already got one to talk to calling tomorrow when offices are open. So we shall see soon.

Damnit man! I love ya!

Always got things covered. Let the opposition fall!
28  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 27, 2014, 01:34:40 AM
Boy, I don't need to discuss. Will see. Let's they speak with attorney.

Regards.

If it clears things up, fine.
29  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 27, 2014, 01:14:38 AM
Yeah.
I think that guys doesn't understood..... that they run a scam and going to the crime.

Think this need to report to police too.


Regards.

I know coz stay in NY more 15 Years  Smiley
Everything is not so simple.....
Boys, don't take peoples money at least right now...... after legalisation may be yes.

Regards.


Jeez... Talk about some broken english! lol
Eso is in full legal rights to take investments in crypto, and there is nothing illegal about it.
And if I remember correctly, not even NY had passed their registration deal, so thats pointless.
30  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: -----Tired of losing money? Let us trade for you!----- on: October 27, 2014, 01:08:34 AM
Esoteric Investments has no problem answering your questions or concerns. If you wish to speak with them directly fill out a ticket on their site, or use the chat.

I am here to help where I can.

I do not appreciate the unfounded FUD. No one has been ripped off, and it is not a scam.
31  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 27, 2014, 12:51:45 AM
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[...]
and again we're in the US we can't get up and disappear from the government or from you all, exit strategy is a hell of a lot more difficult. and the first thing we want to do is get accreditation anywhere we can in the states with FINcen and SEC, not host a bitcoin conference like a past favorite company of many of us. So where are our red flags that say we’re a scam besides our registrations.
[...]
We'll be able to prove ourselves with what we got given time, we don't need investments so stay un-invested
[...]
I always read "we will" and "we want"... you won't get any trust without an sustaibable audit. An audit that proofes your successful arbitrage activities to pay your customers interest. -> When can we expect this?
If you don't need any customers investments then it was a really bad decision to open your doors after bitcoin-trader.biz fiasco without any audit. If you want to gain some trust stop to take investors money NOW (you don't need it).

A registered company means nothing. No.1 lame excuse in crypto world is "we got hacked, we have to file bankruptsy". Happend several times and the hack was just an inside job.
Still waiting for a comment from the big boss.

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This forum has been 90% attacks at our personal character.
The only one attacking other users on a personal level is Digicoinz.

I'm glad there is also a legendary one involved in this thread now.

Lol @ arbitrage activities. Somewhat safe way to trade but worst way to actually make any substantial money, and in alt coin markets forget about it you have minutes at most before the market will move skyrocketing your chances that your arb will be unprofitable.

Say registration was put in the mail today it would still take a month(s) for the actual license. We'll be showing the steps along the way starting with legal counsel as we get it.

I said this before, After the Shavers case Bitcoin has officially been said by every bureau that it is not money or legal tender. It is a property that can be bought and sold for a price. I think I gave the trading cards example. In theory I could be running a trading card investment program that I exchange a certain trading cards for you with other people that have different trading cards to get you more of that original certain trading card to pay you a return. If I run off with your cards it's theft regardless of the "trading card" being counted as money or as property. So the regulatory bureaus do still have over site and jurisdiction of this as a crime if we run off and steal peoples property. But is what we are doing still an investment contract after the federal government has officially announced that Bitcoin is not a currency or form of money? That remains to be answered. Shoving the Shavers case in our face doesn't mean anything now until that question is answered.

Hopefully our time with some attorneys familiar with the capacity of Bitcoin will be able to clear that up or some talks with federal bureaus with ourselves and an attorney on our behalf. Those sort of announcements will be coming in the month to 2 months. And we will update you all as we can.

And the site you have shown controls fiat money and digital currencies as well as is a form of exchange, and a different country with much simpler legalities. For the UK its comply with KYC AML and CTF laws and register with one bureau for one fee. America you must register federally with several bureas once at a certain point of holding assets, and with every state in addition to complying with KYC, AML, CTF. I wish we had to deal with the UK system.

And just want to point out, this ironically wouldn't be a concern if our company was in Panama. So why don't you guys give us some time so we can set up all of this government protection for you guys since we were nice enough to remain in the US for your protection by our wonderful, although indecisive, government.
Couldn't have said it better myself, thanks. Smiley
32  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 26, 2014, 11:32:35 PM
Right now without license it is a scam. Please show license and I will remove neg. trust.

Edit.

Here is legit company looks like:
https://spectrocoin.com/en/about.html

Regards.

Would a normal USD liscense be enough for you? Glenn should be getting one here in the near future.

Also, I wouldn't trust that, it's incorporated in Lithuania. And I see nothing about any liscenses.
33  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 26, 2014, 11:11:52 PM
Seems they are already operating a new scheme: https://www.esotericinvestments.com

I have contacted their support with a silly question and the reply was almost identical to what BT replied at the time they were still replying.

I think its created by those who have been scammed by BT

Esoteric Investments is not in any way connected to BitTrader.biz



No shit.   That's why you need to get lost.   
The more you post here the more connected you get. 

Go AWAY  post on your own stinking thread. 

Ambulance chasing is not welcome here. 
I was just passing through as someone accused us on one of our own threads. And I wanted to clear up theconnections that I had seen here, all I am trying to do is fix a possible source of ppl claiming we are connected. I will not be posting here again unless necessary.
34  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 26, 2014, 11:05:49 PM
You do not need a liscense to take investments in BTC, only in USD

How often are you going to repeat that lie?
Quote
The SEC argued that the investments in Bitcoin offered by BTCST are both investment contracts and notes, and thus securities.
http://www.communitycurrencieslaw.org/securities/
First time I have said it

Also I will pass this on to Glenn, though he may already be aware of it.
I am not 100% filled in on the legal verifications that Glenn has acquired for the company, and he may already have that taken care of.
Though reading through this myself, and a few other pages, there is nothing that specifically states that a company must get a liscense to work with BTC investments or payments.

What the fuck......   Phantom Trader on October 15, 2014, 04:57:26 PM(his first post, check his profile) said that he is customer and "testing water"  Grin

Again, obvious scam.


Regards.

At that time Phantom (Dan Pace) was not a partner in tge company, he is now, and has been for about a week.
35  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 26, 2014, 10:48:13 PM
Seems they are already operating a new scheme: https://www.esotericinvestments.com

I have contacted their support with a silly question and the reply was almost identical to what BT replied at the time they were still replying.

I think its created by those who have been scammed by BT

Esoteric Investments is not in any way connected to BitTrader.biz
Esoteric Investments is registered in New Jersey and is owned by Glenn Crystal (Big Deej) and his partner Dan Pace (Phantom Trader)

Verify for yourself if you do not believe me.

www.esotericinvestments.com
Esoteric Investments LLC
3104 River Road
Point Pleasant, NJ 08742
(732) 903-8379
Entity ID: 0400647595

Also if you are interested in signing up, use https://www.esotericinvestments.com/?refid=3 and you'll get a free lotto ticket for every .05 BTC you'll invest! Smiley
36  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 26, 2014, 10:41:18 PM
Interesting .....
Seems they are already operating a new scheme: https://www.esotericinvestments.com

I have contacted their support with a silly question and the reply was almost identical to what BT replied at the time they were still replying.

What was the question and response from Esoteric Investments and Bitcoin Trader? Because my impression is a strong thats not them just someone else that knows how to make money in the crypto markets and is opening that ability up to other people...making more in the process I'm sure, as that is business.

My research found that Esoteric Investments isn't Bitcoin Trader. They are a registered LLC in New Jersey, USA by Dan Pace and Glenn Crystal (Not John Carley) since March when Bitcoin trader was doing fairly well. Pretty simple business search could have found that out for you.

Plus they are in America if Esoteric goes Gox in America, The United stated will not hesitate to drop the hammer on a scam especially a bitcoin scam they are just waiting to make an example of someone. And it was pretty clear that Bitcoin Trader was avoiding being stations in the USA despite most of their actual business and events were in the states.

If you all were so in love with Bitcoin Traders performance I think Esoteric is at least worth a look as the next thing, and hopefully Bitcoin trader doesnt gox and then we can diversify among two of these passive incomes.

I'm already in them for a small trial amount to test the waters. Feel free to use my referral to help me earn a little more.
https://www.esotericinvestments.com?refid=4


Before he said that he isn't eso owner but customer. After some doxxing .... He is owner he wide open and friendly too.
Is someone here from NJ ? Maybe that real address from someone else..... Too suspicious .....
Anyway he cannot take investments without license. In US such license cost...... too much. I know what I'm saying.

I think that's obvious scam.

Edit. Gave neg trust. Without license that website is a scam.
Regards.


Esoteric Investments is owned by Glenn Crystal (Big Deej) and Dan Pace (Phantom Trader)
Dan only recently re-partnered with Glenn, so he may have been a customer at one point

You do not need a liscense to take investments in BTC, only in USD which Esoteric Investments is currently trying to obtain, and should obtain in the near future. Which is why at this point it only offers a BTC investment.
The USD investments will offer a fixed 5% return

This is not a scam, you can verify that it is registered in the US yourself.
37  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: -----Tired of losing money? Let us trade for you!----- on: October 26, 2014, 10:33:02 PM
oh, another BT clone ? ... i mean .. another SCAM ? gtfo promoting these crappy sites !

BT? What's that? I'm not being sarcastic I am legitmately asking.

Also this is not a scam, this is a trading pool.. If you don't believe me, look up Esoteric Investments, it's registered in NJ, so if they commit fraud they can be sued.

Verify it for yourself, Esoteric Investments is a legitimate and registered company in the United States

Also I checked, and I realize your dismay... But they are not Bit Trader. Also they were not registered in the US, EI is.
38  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: -----Tired of losing money? Let us trade for you!----- on: October 26, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
oh, another BT clone ? ... i mean .. another SCAM ? gtfo promoting these crappy sites !

BT? What's that? I'm not being sarcastic I am legitmately asking.

Also this is not a scam, this is a trading pool.. If you don't believe me, look up Esoteric Investments, it's registered in NJ, so if they commit fraud they can be sued.
39  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 26, 2014, 09:43:22 PM



DAN!!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Now we just need Glenn to comment lol



How to prove it? Simple, produce evidence of the trades that were made. Screenshots of completed trade-orders would be a start, but they could be doctored. A read-only API-key would be better.


Finally! 3 pages more of comments and finally a suggestion to improve the companies shortfalls and what you'd like to see from us rather than more and more of the same comments saying the same thing.

The read only API key would expose our position in the markets so a real time one mite be a liability to our trading. Though we may be able to find some way to make it work. possibly alter/limit its responses to restrict open orders though that may be something that'd have to be done on the exchanges' side. More Glenn's department than my own.

DAN!!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Now we just need Glenn to comment lol

Maybe. If people want to talk to Glenn (Big Deej) they can go to the site chat. This forum has been 90% attacks at our personal character. I can handle that. I'm bullet proof to insults at this point from being in a fraternity and being one of "the weird kids" in High school, I've had my share. So I'm used to dealing with ignorance and peoples' BS. Glenn would take it more personally. That's why you don't see him on this forum. He isn't hiding but he isn't gonna get on here solely to be attacked.
True... Hey, would you PM me your skype if youve got one? I've had GLenns for a while
40  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Esoteric Investments, LLC (up to 1% earnings) on: October 26, 2014, 08:45:19 PM


How to prove it? Simple, produce evidence of the trades that were made. Screenshots of completed trade-orders would be a start, but they could be doctored. A read-only API-key would be better.


Finally! 3 pages more of comments and finally a suggestion to improve the companies shortfalls and what you'd like to see from us rather than more and more of the same comments saying the same thing.

The read only API key would expose our position in the markets so a real time one mite be a liability to our trading. Though we may be able to find some way to make it work. possibly alter/limit its responses to restrict open orders though that may be something that'd have to be done on the exchanges' side. More Glenn's department than my own.

DAN!!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Now we just need Glenn to comment lol
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