Premisa: el exchange peruano que opera con las monedas USD, ARS, BOB, BRL, COP, PEN, VEF tuvo fallas de seguridad (enlaces: 1, 2, 3). Pues bien, ¿alguien puede afirmar si dicho exchange ahora cumple los requisitos de seguridad? Por otro lado las operaciones de intercambio en bolívares han sido suspendidas desde el 29 de abril, y, a pesar de que hayan especificado el 6 de mayo como término de la suspensión, luego prorrogada hasta el 22, hoy 23 de mayo la actividad en moneda venezolana aún está detenida. Por tanto pregunto si hay noticias al respecto y cuál es la causa del paro.
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Esos términos se refieren a los retiros, no a los depósitos, y según el soporte de SurBitcoin el primer retiro tarda más porque la cuenta bancaria tiene que ser afiliada manualmente al sistema automático. Los retiros siguientes, en teoría, los ejecutan de acuerdo con sus términos.
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Funny: since I've started posting in this thread I'm getting phishing e-mails to the address found on my LocalBitcoins ad.
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It's obvious the government doesn't care about you, so why should you care about the government?
Because it can jail you... or worse in Venezuela.
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Well, frankly, president Maduro could decree Bitcoin to be illegal overnight. To me one of SurBitcoin managers, Rodrigo Souza, made two fatal errors: - showing the bitcoin price also in dollars in his exchange (reckless and useless as a. you can't trade dollars there and b. there are countless other pages which show the price in dollars) thereby giving a pretext to the SEBIN to initiate an investigation;
- he reacted to the Venezuelan State television VTV legally unfounded reports by saying they were conducting a "false propaganda", which is true, but voicing dissenting opinions against the dictatorial establishment isn't very helpful.
Had he stayed under the radar SurBitcoin and their customers would be faring much better.
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@Hirose UK @Amph They were arrested because they didn't have the necessary import paperwork for their equipment (everything is a bureaucratic mess there) and also because there were references to the black dollar rate alongside the bitcoin price, if I understand correctly. Consider also that the country is plagued with rolling blackouts which are even threatening Venezuela's sole source of income, which is why the two guys got in trouble in the first place: the State electric power organization Corpoelec detected an unreasonable consumption spike in the city of Valencia, where miners were based, as a result of mining.
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@tyz If you have bolivars you pay in bolivars. I was considering the hypothesis of a foreigner with greenbacks who wants to acquire real estate in Venezuela. As I said, rich Venezuelans don't need Bitcoin to preserve their wealth and, as far as I'm concerned, its main use is for remittances, that's why it is cheaper than it would be if it were quoted in "black" dollars: Bitcoin local market is permanently skewed to the sell side. Bear in mind that there is no such thing as middle class in this tropical country.
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Oil was a blessing as well as a curse for Venezuela: the country is suffering from a severe case of Dutch disease and if you add the fact that the extractive industry is a simple source of revenue which can be easily seized by the Government to fund unproductive activities and countless subsidies, all other economic activities get crowded out. When the price of the only asset you have plummets Mrs misery quickly arrives. Of course, the sheer scale of the mismanagement and corruption only worsened the situation.
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Last June the IMF inflation forecast for this year was 720%. Considering that inflation is defined as the annual price rise of a given basket of goods, when most of them are no longer available, conceptually, inflation would be infinite relative to those unavailable goods (you can pay an infinite amount of money but you still receive nothing).
The current minimum monthly wage is 15,051.17 VEF or 13.73 dollars at the black market rate. Hardly and indication of strength.
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Most of the time, if not always, it's not necessary to convert your dollars as they're well accepted so it's a matter of bargaining over the exchange rate.
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The prices for real estates on this site are in the Venezuelan currency. This is actually not a proof of high real estates prices because the currency is loosing value form day to day. When you could show me a site where prices are in US-Dollar then i would believe you. Further, the market for real estates in Venezuela is restricted for foreign investors. But this is the prerequisite for good price development.
I thought division was taught at the elementary school. Consider this apartment randomly chosen: one billion bolivars Now consider the latest black market rate: 1,000,000,000 VEF / 1096.15 VEF/USD = 912,283.90 USD The premise is that you already have the dollars in the country and that you manage to convert all of them at the highest possible rate. Also, it's not hard nor expensive to find nominees, come on.
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Jesus Christ I need to get down there and buy some property while the getting is good.
Bitcoin is great for exactly this kind of thing but I'm sure the US dollar works just as well, and so would any other stable currency.
Real estate in Venezuela is the store of value par excellence and prices are quite high even at the black market rate. You can see it yourself. As techgeek has said it'd be a bet, specifically on the rise of the oil price. @Yakamoto Who undestands Bitcoin has the capacity for eluding Internet censorship.
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Because you can't buy your groceries and gas with buttcoin
Technically you can, but this is assuming you aren't aware of the bitcoin debit cards thats provided. Its been out for that last 5 months now or close to being a year almost. But what youre saying is right in some sense, if they just heard about bitcoin it`ll take them a couple reading around to find the debit card option. The problem is that any transaction with current debit cards is that they are denominated in USD or EUR. There is the govt exchange rate and the black market exchange rate and they are hugely different. Govt Exchange Rate: 1 USD = 6.30 VEF Black Market Rate: 1 USD = 1,050 VEF VISA/Mastercard would convert the bitcoin at the govt rate and now everything is hugely expensive. I'll have to fix some info. Currently there are two legal exchange rate systems: - Sistema de Divisas Protegido - Dipro (Protected Foreign Currencies [Allocating] System). This rate is set by the Government and it is used to import basic goods (food, medicines, etc.) and to pay pensioners who live abroad.
Current rate: 9.9750 VEF/USD (bid) 10.0000 VEF/USD (ask)
- Sistema de Divisas Complementario - Dico (Supplementary Foreign Currencies [Allocating] System). This rate is theoretically set by the market, however, according to the economist Luis Oliveros there is no evidence of such, hence it is likely to be managed as well. It replaced the Simadi in April and expectations since its announcement have curbed the black market value of the dollar.
Current rate: 415.5879 VEF/USD (bid) 416.6295 VEF/USD (ask)
According to the Venezuelan Central Bank latest data the first one assigns 92.17% of the foreign currency and the second one the remainder. As you can see there is already a terrible distortion in the licit market which is unsustainable since people who can get dollars at the most overvalued rate (mostly the enchufados, those with ties to officials) are able to sell them for a greater quantity of bolivars which will then be used to get more dollars and thus perpetuate a vicious cycle. Anyway, there is no hard currency left, not even to pay key contractors of PDVSA, to import food or medicines or to print money (Venezuela doesn't produce anything). The last bastion of the private sector, the brewing and food company Empresas Polar had to halt most of its production due to lack of dollars needed to pay for the inputs. The Government blames the "bourgeoisie" for the economic paralysis and it announced production plants will be seized. With regard to credit/debit cards, there is no such thing as VISA or Mastercard in Venezuela as the national services are disconnected from the rest of the world and sums in foreign currency ( cupos, quotas) destined to credit/debit cards are to be approved as well. If and when people miraculously manage to be granted foreign currency to be used abroad their credit/debit cards won't work overseas because of the debts accumulated by the Venezuelan banks with the electronic payment service providers. My view about the use of Bitcoin in Venezuela based on SurBitcoin is that it is used mainly for remittances, in other words by Venezuelans living abroad who send money to their families also considering that 3/4 of the population are materially deprived and that the rich can always find their ways to expatriate their wealth directly in dollars. If affluent Venezuelans were interested in Bitcoin its local market wouldn't be so minuscule and skewed to the sell side. As a final thought Bitcoin to function needs users who can satisfy their primary needs, electricity, computers, the Internet, knowledge. It can't be used in situations of distress due to the impossibility of fulfilling the minimum operational requirements.
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Que SurBitcoin esté operando de forma normal no me parece: las quejas en su página Facebook no han cesado. Son evidentes los problemas de liquidez interna y operatividad. Otro indicador es la opción de retiro al Banco Mercantil que aún falta y que permite suponer la persistencia del bloqueo de su cuenta en este banco. Según lo que entiendo bolivarcoin tiene esta actitud porque el exempleado de SurBitcoin Daniel Arráez, según él su amigo, no ha tenido soporte alguno después de haber sido supuestamente detenido por el SEBIN y SurBitcoin no ha dado ninguna información oficial al respecto. De todas formas yo no aconsejaría servirse de este exchange hasta que no haya una auditoría independiente de todos sus fondos, en bolívares y en bitcoins.
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Reitero los hechos críticos ( Diario Bitcoin): Nuestro banco sospechó del repentino alto volumen y bloqueó nuestra cuenta [...]. Nuestro único empleado en Venezuela dejó SurBitcoin [...].
Si la congelación de su cuenta, supongo que es la del Banco Mercantil, será sólo temporal entonces SurBitcoin tendrá, en el caso peor, problemas de liquidez interna en bolívares hasta que no descongelen los activos. Si dicha cuenta tiene una porción relevante de los fondos y si los activos de ésta fueren expropiados por la ley SurBitcoin caerá en insolvencia, es decir, no podrá cubrir por completo las cantidades en bolívares.
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Si quieres añadir informaciones sobre SurBitcoin sé más preciso: menciona la cantidad exacta de bitcoins supuestamente enviada a la página fraudulenta, hora, huso horario, dirección de destino; o bien, como alternativa, escribe el número de la transacción incriminatoria.
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Informo que la cuenta bolivarcoin cambió de manos varias veces y que la última vez ha ocurrido el pasado 21 de abril. Recurrido del cambio de propiedad, según el último comprador: propietario legítimo (fundador del fork "bolivarcoin") -> posibilidad de hackeo o robo -> kummerf -> abiky -> jamalaezaz -> propietario legítimo (según los últimos mensajes relacionados al evento, pero hay que dudar). Detalles aquí. De todos modos, una persona que no tiene ni siquiera la capacidad de mantener segura una cuenta de un foro está, en mi opinión, descalificada totalmente como fundador de un fork de criptomoneda. Acerca del uso de fondos de usuarios de SurBitcoin en esquemas Ponzi, por lo que puedo leer de la captura de pantalla, Rodrigo Souza no atribuyó a bolivarcoin la transferencia de 0,158249 BTC desde la cold wallet de SurBitcoin a una página fraudulenta, sino que bolivarcoin incluyó, según él, la transacción en dicha página. Sería bueno saber por qué y sobre la base de cuáles pruebas Souza afirma que bolivarcoin controla Bitcoin Multiplier.
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https://twitter.com/Bolivarcoin/status/722791381207425024bolivarcoin: I have advised bolivarcoin2 to create a scam accusation in this section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0They also claim to be in control of the Facebook, Twitter and Website and can post from those accounts too. If bolivarcoin2 doesn't post a link to their accusation, I'll post it here (given they can only post every few minutes with a newbie account, let's all go make a coffee and see what transpires shall we?) thank you sir. let's see.. I bought this account for 0.025 btc. almost my 3 months earning.. I won't give the account for free anyway. Abiky have to repay me or the bolivarcoin2 repay me my money. you guys have to help me out also if the bolivarcoin2 proof that account is hacked. Yes, i got the account back,
Thanks to all,
i will compensate with a little gift the person that return to me the account
you are most welcome bolivarcoin. I assume that I was the last buyer of Bolivarcoin Account. Sign message from Abiky: btc address: 1DPjRvXHWN2wHPxJFXpaYyTArpsDiNRreJ message: I Abiky, declare myself the owner of a BitcoinTalk Full Member account named bolivarcoin, in which I pass its ownership to BitcoinTalk member jamalaezaz, today April 18, 2016 signature: HKNzb8gUQZ7Vq7hnOOsqiH+4sDHEPGtUsR00CBGtosHn7bGGvSJ9F5PlXM9iRxoBtC0QLhjjHJ9Nv3yxw56YilM=
follow my profile btc address if you rewarding me for this work. thank you.
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Este hilo no trata de tu altcoin.
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