the rule that prohibits posting just one word
The way you keep repeating this seems to indicate that you will never accept any other explanation than the one you made up before starting this thread. There is no such rule. The list of rules is pinned at the top of this board, check it out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0I see what you mean. My post was moderated because of this: " No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads." Which has the following explanation: "1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads." I've also explained why I think it was not only not pointless but also important to post what I posted, in fact I also re-posted it again as you can see using the link in the OP. If I keep repeating "just one word" it's to be more direct in expressing what I mean, maybe I have a wrong way to express myself. What I truly keep repeating here is that if the rule doesn't let the normal people like me (that are not doing any harm, any paid signature campaign, any spamming, any bumping and so on) to comunicate comfortably it has to be changed or the people who apply the rule has to be more flexible. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe the rules are created by people for the people and if the rule is not perfect it can be improved and it's a good thing to discuss about. About two years ago I complained with themos about the impossibility to login using Tor here and now I've discovered a solution was found to solve that issue. I'm used to speak much more earlier about the issues so people are being aggressive towards me because they are not seeing any issue, but later on they realize there is an issue and change things. Rarely my merit is being recognized though. |
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Let me sum up what has been said so far in this thread. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
You had a one-word post ("great") deleted by the mods and you don't know why that happened. Several members stated that low-quality posts that don't improve the discussions are often deleted if reported. You then went on to state that you have had many of your posts deleted. In my opinion, you feel like you are being treated unfairly because many of your posts were deleted in the past.
One staff member took a look at your profile and determined that your claim of being "constantly moderated" doesn't hold water because you have only had 3 posts deleted, including the "great" post. You confirmed that to be true and went on to mention that a second account of yours has had 9 posts deleted in the last 2 years. 1 of those posts was another one-liner ("agreed"), and 7 posts were (in your own words) "similar to spam".
From those 9 posts that were deleted, you had 7 spam posts and 1 one-liner moderated. You never mentioned what the 9th post was about. Not counting the posts that were deleted for being one-liners and spam, there are 3 posts in total (on both of your accounts) that you haven't shown here that got deleted. Whether or not they were deleted unfairly can only be determined if we know what those posts are. From being constantly moderated and having many of your posts deleted, we are now down to 3 posts whose content and quality is not yet known.
Have I made any mistakes with the above post, or would you say it's a correct summary?
All you are summarising here is not relevant for the topic I've opened in this thread. I think writing "Great!" to a community member in a thread that has not so many people following it adds much more value to the forum than insisting that the rule that prohibits posting just one word make sense and has to be executed religiously regardless any other thing. |
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My experience with mods has had some pretty shitty moments. My mining thread is impossible to have any sort of discussion due to deletion of anyone who posts anything out of fear they're trying to inflate their post count. Additionally, I've had users outright disrupt honest projects with lies repeatedly for years, post personal information, make up events that never happened, etc. with next to no repercussions. Those in charge have even asked people to forgive users for harassing and breaking the rules here to troll me. I've also had for sale threads moved from their appropriate sections & countless on topic posts of mine deleted. I don't know if the mods are overworked, undermanaged, play favorites, or just don't care, but it seems like there are probably a lot of people on the internet who would love to have such a high paying job requiring such a low skill level and would probably do an honest job at it without rushing through and trying to handle reports without really looking into any of them.
Are you serious? My issues are just nothing compared to what you are speaking about. |
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If you have an alt-account whose posts are getting deleted, that's a completely different matter and an unrelated case to this one.
This thread is not about "Great!" post being deleted. Of course I can be lying about me being moderated with another nick, but I mentioned it because I was trying to understand why do I have an impression being constantly moderated while I have "only" 3 posts deleted so far. The point of discussion here is the post "great" that got deleted, and everyone seems to agree that it was rightly so.
I'm quite used nobody agrees with my opinion. Edit: I'm giving up replying to this thread, since people are beginning posting unrelated nonsenses that has nothing to do with what I was speaking about and also I can't reply the same thing ten times in row because nobody cares to read what I've already said. Making money on your signatures is great, but I can't reply to any casual thing you post in "reply" to "me". You are fighting to have a meaningful forum and are posting without even reading the others. And of course I should follow the absurd rule to not reply to people with one word. I'll be posting here next time I'll be moderated if it happens, hope other people who feel bad about being moderated by people who don't really care about what's going in the thread they are moderating will post here as well. |
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I looked at the modlog, and you only appear once. But the modlog only keeps info for a few weeks/months. BPIP shows only 3 deleted posts. You are perfectly right. I've got 3 posts deleted in about one year and a half with this account and 9 posts deleted in about two years with another account I had. One of the above 3 posts was just "Great tool! Thank you" - which of course doesn't add anything to the content of this forum, since being rude or polite is the same here. Another one is "Great!" we are discussing here. The third one is not short and has some original thought in it, but the moderator hasn't probably understood it so he just deleted it, who knows maybe he was in a different mood and of course who cares how do the user feels about? Among the mentioned 9 posts: One is just "Agreed". Of course I can't agree with some consideration of the other user that is posting in my thread. It doesn't add any value if I agree and adjust my post accordingly. The most important thing is to keep moderators being robots here. The other 7 were similar to spam as I was posting slightly modified text in different threads to inform people their coin were added to my list (which should've make them pleasure). But probably the moderator had better things to do than trying to understand whether my posts were bringing value here. By bumping a thread as suggested above, it bumps the thread for many others who happen to be in that section.
I've already answered to this above. Bumping doesn't apply to coin announcements. So, my advice would be to send a personal message if you want to say something like "Great, let me know if you need any more help" or something along those lines.
I want people in community to be encouraged by my caring about the issues of one of the users to ask for more assistance. If I comunicate things privately it wouldn't make sense and I'd also appear rude to other users that are reading the thread. It's as if I was asked "How are you" publicly and then would send an sms "Fine" because someone imposed me no-one-word rule. This page might help you: https://bitcointalk.org/captcha_code.phpIt allows you to bypass the captcha, and is quite handy when running into captcha issues when using Tor or any IP that has issues with the captcha service. Nice suggestion, it was not available in those times at least when complained with themos I've got no answer. |
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.... short replies like "thanks", "great", "good project sir" just bump the thread for hundreds of users, add it to watchlists, etc, and don't really carry any useful content.
I've already replied to this above, you are teaching me on how to bring useful content to the forum, right? |
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I think that if there is rule that one word can't be posted the thing can be automated, there is no need to have moderators for that. If there are moderators to look into it they should act as human beings, not as robots blindly applying the rules. "Great!" - can be just "the general chit chat" for someone who is "not a big fan of small talk", but when he is on the Communities service his personal preferences shouldn't matter that much. The Goethe's tragedy Faust (in case someone knows what's I'm speaking about) finishes with just one word "Saved!" and that word make the tragedy a great masterpiece without which it wouldn't probably be that. The Bitcoin code finishes also with just on word, but without that word it wouldn't be usable either. It was days we were trying to find a solution of an issue and I specifically asked the person we were trying to help whether he has solved. Once he's answered in a relatively positive way I answered him "Great!" because it was a logical conclusion of the discussion we were doing, for me it's just normal to be polite with people, of course I could've dropped the discussion without answering anything, but I feel I'd be rude in that context if I wouldn't answer anything to that person. It's like if someone asks me "How are you?" and I keep silent because the rule imposes me to not use just one word "Fine". I think if the rule is equal for all just make in the way I can't post one word, if the moderator is there to contribute as a human being he has to understand the context before automatically applying the rule. If not he is just another bot here. I've had worse. One user asked a yes/no question. I answered "no". My post was deleted. I cried for a couple of days but I got over it. I think. Still getting misty-eyed when I think about it. It took me a 2, maybe even 3 seconds to craft that totally-on-topic and very useful response. The forum is now so much worse without that valuable contribution.
 I'm being constantly moderated here though, not because of short replies or rude posts or anything specific, just for no reason. At least it's how I feel it. |
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You definitely won't get away with posting something like "Great!". On most other forums that would be fine, and it seems to have been fine in the early days of bitcointalk, but I think forum standards changed once most people started getting paid to post here. Since some campaigns don't have character minimums, if mods didn't delete such short posts as the one you mentioned, everyone in a sig campaign that didn't count characters would be posting "Nice!" or "+1" a hundred times per day. And just think about how much more unreadable this forum would become if that were to happen.
So I'm pretty sure that's the rationale behind why one-liners and posts that are insignificant get deleted--and it's in the rules, too.
Unfortunately this forum's rules are more and more set up in the way that it's impossible to communicate for the normal human beings. Thus fighting with the bots and people that are here for other reasons the moderators are pushing away people like me that has something to say. I've understood why my post was deleted (although I don't agree it made sense and was necessary in that context), but I don't know how is it possible that it was reported, since I consider to be doing a good job for my coins community. And if it wasn't reported should I consider the moderator has targeted me specifically? (Since I constantly have my posts deleted). I also still think the moderators has to be moderate in their moderating. If there is someone constantly publishing one words posts in many different topics it's different from someone who has just posted it once in an appropriate moment of discussion in which he was truly involved. Just make thoughtful posts (like the post you made here, OP) and you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
This is also not quite true, since I've posted here very thoughtful posts with many words and was moderated because the moderators were moderating not on the base of the rules but on the base of their personal interests. Specifically they didn't want me to publish facts about some crypto I was finding on this same forum. So yes I have something to be worried about and I'm specifically scared to comunicate here, because I never know what will be moderated here and why. If you want to "like" a post, give it a merit if you have any.
Great advice. Would you give me a merit if I say a question is solved? |
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13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours per thread. Bumping multiple threads at the same time is allowed if it's not annoying. [2][e]
My opinion is still that the rules hasn't be applied blindly. If this forum is for people the rules possibly has to be changed in order people to be comfortable not the other way around. The rule you mentioned explains better than anything else what I mean. "Bumping" concept mentioned in the rule in context of the altcoin announcement doesn't make sense any more (if I'm still informed well), since you have to "bump" those kind of announcements explicitly. The rule is clearly obsolete for the mentioned case, it's up to the moderator to use his good sense when he moderates. And the community has to have a tool to understand whether the moderator is doing well his work or not. Because the moderators are here for the community and the community is not here for moderators. This thread is an attempt to provide such a tool. |
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Excuse me if I missed it on the above conversation. There is already a rule about how one word response will be treated. 1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]
1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads. So clearly the moderators were following the first rule :-D That's a good thing, at least everybody is being treated equally here, although there are lot of "+1", "Interesting", LOL", "reserved" and so on around the forum and also despite what can appear to the moderator that clearly doesn't know anything about the topic he has moderated I'm not a casual person in that thread, so my comment was not casual as well: I worked for two weeks (since April 29th) on the issue so to express my satisfaction with some result we've got I don't have to be forced to write a poetry. What I'm trying to say the rule hasn't be applied blindly. The rules are done for people not against the people. Should I post my BTC address to get a faucet the moderator would delete it as well? |
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Someone probably reported it being a low-value post that doesn't add anything new to the discussion. You helped the member, the issue was resolved, and someone thought that your post "Great" wasn't needed anymore. The mod who saw the report agreed, and deleted the post. If you had extended that post by adding a bit more than just great, it probably wouldn't have been deleted. I don't think there is a single member on this forum who hasn't had a few posts deleted every now and then. Heck, even theymos got one post deleted from before he became the admin of Bitcointalk. Don't take it personally, and next time just, just expend your post a bit so it doesn't get reported as being unnecessary. Thank you for you feedback. I'm not taking it personally, this thread is not just for me, but also for other people that would like to understand better why they've been moderated. And also for the moderators and the forum administration to have a feedback on how people feel when something they are working on is just being deleted. I personally tend to avoid posting anything on this forum as much as I can since I feel I've been moderated many times for no reason or because of some personal interest. |
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Well, that's the way things work here. That post wouldn't have been deleted in other forums, but usually too short posts that don't add anything meaningful are at risk of being reported and deleted. In my case, I had some posts deleted after someone considered one of my posts low value and went through my post history on a reporting spree.It has not happened again, I guess it is clear that I am a decent poster. Although I suppose I might get some post deleted in the future, as most people in the forum have. I'm not sure the moderators have to interfere with the communication because of the length of the post, especially if they don't bother themselves to read all the rest of the conversation to see it was not just a casual comment. I've personally got many of my posts moderated so far. Specifically I was doing a quality research creating a dedicated topic here and thus I was answering to the question of people in a very serious manner, dedicating hours and hours of work of research posting replies that later on were moderated for the reasons I don't know, which has made me stop working on the topic here and the forum has lost a lot of quality content. However I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to create a tool for those like me that would like to know why they've been moderated. |
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I'm an active member of Slimcoin community and am working hard to support people that are asking for help on Slimcoin's topic here. Recently there was a member that's asked for a help and after some post, both mine and of other members, we've been apparently able to find a solution. So I've just posted "Great!" and have been moderated (my post that was here was deleted by I don't know whom). However I've got a kind automated message from the moderator that "Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted."I don't know whether from the point of view of the moderator it's wrong expressing joy that something positive has happened after me having participated and tried to solve the issue. Or if I was supposed to write an article about what I was feeling in that situation instead of just saying "Great!". Or maybe I'm just not allowed to express joy here? Thus I just don't know how I can avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Since I also don't know who has moderated me and am not able to ask him about and since it's not the first time I'm being moderated for the reasons I don't know, I think it could be a good thing for me and other people using this forum to have a place where to express their questions about the reasons why they've been moderated in order for them hopefully to get some replay and to understand better the forum rules. |
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there is no positive here
i would say neutral
because wallet freezing still present despite the fact that size of wallet decreased to 2 MB
so i complete my experiments and accept everything as it is
2 MB is not that much, I have a wallet that is 72MB with another crypto I'm involved in and it slightly freezes, but another wallet of 13MB I have with them doesn't freeze at all. |
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@casper how the things are going on your side? Were you able to solve?
miracle things i extracted 40 addresses by the tool from d5000when importing privkeys i at last got my real burned amount after 4 of my and after 10 of addresses extracted by tool but balance is lesser i put old wallet.dat which shows real balance and send all to another new one all is very freezy but interesting My previous "Great!" comment, that was here, was moderated (deleted by some external moderator (since this topic is not moderated by itself)). Probably from the moderator's point of view one shouldn't be expressing joy, for instance, that something positive happens. |
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Can't reproduce your error, on my computer it works fine. I guess your text file where the dump was saved has an error, there seems to be a comma missing. Maybe you saved it manually from the terminal output? Try to dump again with pywallet: python2 pywallet.py --datadir=`pwd`/datadir --dumpwallet > walletdump.json python3 cryptoidlookup.py walletdump.json PS: The command can take some time, there is an intentional 15 sec pause between addresses to avoid the server rejects your requests. So simply leave it alone for a while. thanks, i started it and prepare to wait for long time another question - when importing privkeys should i restart wallet after each with --rescan or not necessary ? @casper how the things are going on your side? Were you able to solve? |
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Not really. Use this version from the repos. Save the page as pywallet.py, change addrtype = 0 to addrtype = 63, create a subdirectory datadir, copy your wallet.dat into it and you should be able to get a JSON dump of the wallet keys with: python2 pywallet.py --datadir=`pwd`/datadir --dumpwallet(note, Python 2 required). it works, but too much addresses, maybe 400 or 500 it is impossible to dump privkeys of them all Hmm... Do you mean it's too much work to recover 20k? Or you mean that once you've transferred all of those addresses to your new wallet it may become slow again? |
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Were you able to solve your issue?
still no i finally moved away from windows and am looking for solutions for linux it turns out my clients were version 0.5.0 i have two computers, one for mining with a fresh wallet, the other more precious with a lot of burned coins, but very freezy Have you tried to extract your keys with the tools mentioned above? |
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I think it's possible to see the pattern of the Bitcoin price, but it's difficult to predict when it will be happen.
I personally estimate BTC will go up to 120-150k and then down to 30-40k for a long time.
Of course sooner or later the pattern could broke since there are new players in the game that may eat all or a part of the success of BTCs.
That's the main concern the BTC hodler may have.
Patterns are not precise but doesnt mean that they irrelevant because this market is really moving unpredictably neither it would be aligning with technicals or fully relying on fundamentals which is really hard to presume on which one you would make use when you do make your analysis.Bitcoin could hit $100k but i dont see for it to happen for this year.We do even have a hard time on breaking some resistance and now we are minding to reach $100k? Its better not to stress out yourself on when it would happen, just play with moving prices and make yourself benefit out of it without needing to wait for long. I don't consider to sell my BTC anymore, each time I tried to play with them I've lost them. I could've been rich now if I did nothing since I've bought, now I have only a tiny fraction of what I've bought originally but I'm going to hodl them at this point. |
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we all know the normal way markets work. having an order book that starts at a price and allows for prices to go down to zero..
but has anyone ever thought of making an exchange/market that actually allows for change
where the lowest bottomline available order does not have to be zero..
heres the idea
imagine a asset price starts at $10 and bottom starts at 0
if the price goes down. bottom is still 0..obviously
but if there is a new high of say $10.20. the new bottom becomes $0.20
if the price goes down. the new bottom does not change and stays at $0.20.
but the new bottom does not go up unless there is a new high
basically an exchange that has a moving bottom based on the ATH
my demo is not specific to be a bottom $10 under a ATH
it can be be 1% of ATH or even 0.1%.. the parameter is not important
not limiting it to crypt exchanges. but also any asset. auction.
imagine art.
if one piece of art from an artist sells for $1k. the minimum bid becomes say 10% meaning never again will any painted be bidding for less than $100 for that artist.
if the third painting goes for $5k. no painting or resells of old painting ever be at a starting bid below $500
and so on
so economics guys discuss the pros and cons of a 'moving bottom' market
i have a few idea's for both myself but lets hear from you.
whats good or bad about markets having a moving bottom and why has it not been done before
I think it's an interesting idea, I'd be curious to know a bit more on how you are imagining it. Of course in order to keep the bottom price in the described manner one would need to make available the funds to support that bottom price But maybe it can be done by some kind of redistribution of the funds for instance a high trading fee that guaranties that bottom price, or you have a better idea? |
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