You confuse me.  Let me see if I understand.

INAU owed you 1100+ bitcoins.  Discharging debt, he gave you 1055 bitcoins of debt for imsaguy.  Imsaguy paid 9% of 1055 or 1100?

A = INAU, B = imsaguy

So you invest 1100 bitcoins with person A.  You get 1055 bitcoins of debt with B.  Debt with A is now 0.  You get 9% of 1055 bitcoins because A timed sale before dividend payment from B, so about 95 bitcoins.

So at this point now, you have made 95 bitcoins on investment of 1100 bitcoins?  95 bitcoins that came from B.

Later, B says he will not pay dividends.  No future income.

What is debt with B worth?  Is it 1100 - 95 bitcoins?  1055 - 95 bitcoins?  1100 bitcoins?  1055 bitcoins?

Maybe better in dollars, so you don't get too attached to fake profits.  I am still confused by you.  I am still not sure how this is not scam.

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OK, thank you.  What is this 9% that imsaguy mentions?

I guess simple question is this.

You paid x.

Imsaguy paid you y.

What is x?
What is y?  Is y 1 bitcoins or 9% of x and 1 bitcoins?

I am looking for agreement of you and imsaguy, since he seems easiest purchase right now.  I have bitcoins burning holes in my pockets.  Just joke because all serious.

Also interested in pirate debt calculation.  If father involved now, he probably is not pay out 7%/week for last year.  Probably just deposits, or cash value of deposits at lowest point, probably $2-5 per bitcoins.  My father love me, but not pay five million dollars to save my mistake.  Maybe he lend me $5 and make me paint his house. 

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This smells fishy.  What is real debt?  Both people must agree before any can bid in good faith.

Is this sockpuppet on part of imsaguy or chungenhung?  What kind of scam are you running here?  Even 50BTC is scam, do not forget it.

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"Should" and "as long as" are "trust me" words.  Message from debtor would be OK.


Very simple and I explained above.  If worst case, court is involved, total "damages" will be principal minus sum of payments.  So if imsaguy correctly states he paid 9%, court will consider that.  1000 - 90 is 910.  910 bitcoins can be recoverable.  Plus a little extra of course, but attorney will take 40% for contingency plus retainer.

Asking again, what are actual debts?  Not fantasy debts of compound interest at illegal/usury/payday check cash/ponzi rates.  Amount lent, amount paid back.  What is that for each?  That is true ceiling for negotiation.

Real world operates differently from bitcoin forum.  Debt has to be converted to dollar for Americans, then payments calculated from that.  Court will not award 910 bitcoins to me.  Court will award $ value of 910 BTC.

The less information you provide, the more safety assumptions I make about getting paid.  Debtor not pay me, just you, then I have to deduct 10% for risk to pay me.  If I can't recover part of principal reduced by payments, I have to deduct those payments.  If I go to court, I lose at least 40% to attorney.  In example above, I make max of 60% of 910, which is 546 bitcoins.  See how we go lower as we go to real world?

Be honest.  You are selling debt.  Some of guys say they will take three years to repay.  This is not income generating without big discount.

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You have proofs of ownership and ability to transfer debt?  Have parties agreed to transfer so we not go through you to get payment if they make goods?

As other poster, I would like to know principal - payments to you for each of debt sell.  If settlement or lawsuit comes, that is maximum of value.

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Water cooling!  I find out when I take cold shower in morning! 

Is clear you do not spend time in Russia, my friend. 

Don't think we talk about VNC.  Monitoring programs such as Munin, Nagios, mgpumon, etc. are more appropriate for not requiring "human" monitor.  Not efficient to monitor many machines by eye.  Eyes close for sleep.

Not to be more offtopic, but I also am fan of Mathematica.  You use for bitcoins?  How?

Remember current laptop has memory and computing power bigger than large servers of 1999.  Those were capable of this management.  Management software bloats today but can be trimmed or unneeded plugins not installed.

1GHz CPU and 1 or 2 GB RAM sufficient at monitoring dozens of miners.

As you say, negligence, fraud, and other reasons for changing contract without vote all depend on intent.  Also relevant is how first party responds when challenged on contract changes.

I apologize for saying liar and fraud.  I think I misread your post and missed sarcasm.

Stolen electricity, university, and also computer centers with video game machines.  Run miner and pay for computer time and more.

Even electricity in Russia not charged at cost of production and transport.  Government limits price to make people happy about government.

Plus yes, free.

I do not know New Zealand corruption but do slightly remember USSR before family emigrated.  Moved to Egypt and then to USA.

USA has police corruption but it is agreed to be bad.  If caught on video, police shamed.

In Egypt, police hit and beat people.  If people report, family head is beaten.  Message is very clear that police may be bad, but like dogs or sharks.  Do not provoke.

In USSR, police are right.  Law?  Unless police are waving USA flag and shouting "Down with Marx-Lenin!" or not doing what bosses say, they are always right.

I have been to many places in Asia, Africa.  Some places, police is job for those who cannot have other job.  People beat up police some places.  Other places, police make money from terror of other people.

When my family come to USA, was easy to get asylum because left USSR when grandfather tortured and maimed by police (you call "KGB").  People today often come to USA for asylum reasons, too, due to police pursuit through country.  Small country such as New Zealand, if police continue to attack, example of reason for asylum in USA or other country.  Tough to prove from British Empire, though.

I would be interested to read police "charging document" regarding case.  How did police describe your car pursuit, your foot pursuit (not smart), your "surrender"?

Sorry, emotional about police violence and English becomes right-word-worse-grammar in my head.  Grandfather lost eye and cut nostril bigger and other things.

Is problem called Dunning-Kruger effect.  Would be interesting to show them their six month old posts (without name) and see if they have troll response.

If contract calls for vote in situation, rule is clear.

If contract modification is material and vote is specified, rule is not only clear but voting is important.

Question on GLBSE (not MPEx or other exchange) is what is recourse for violation of contract?  Nefario seize shares owned by contractor?  Helps no one but hurts those.  Any remedy with contractor?

Edited to correct quote.  No vote taken.

Your lying and attempt to join ranks of fraudsters is disappointing.

Needless to say but said anyway is offer of help is withdrawn.

I can help.  However, word on forum not enough. (Trust no one!)

Can you give personal details in PM?  I would like seeing government identification.  I would also like more business plan.

I will not ask for photo with shoe on your head.  I would like to see secondary proof of identity along with scanned government documents.  You can send in PM contact information.  We can exchange public keys for safer communication.

Minimum, I want to know real name and address.  I know India very well and work with people in many cities.  Perhaps I can have someone deliver in person (rupee, gold, or dollar) for easy exchange.  Collateral is good in this circumstance as well.

I have interest but price is too high.  Fails once, risk is higher that fails again.  If problem is mechanical (heatsink connection) risk higher still that more problem arise shipping.

Think of as 5970 with bad core.  Has value, but how long?  What is turnaround with BFL if all bad?

Will pay 400 dollars US or 40 bitcoins ship to California.

Depending on jurisdiction, you can be facing criminal charges for violating personal secrecy laws by stealing, storing, transferring, and exposing information.

Plus, as many gambling organizations understand value of list such as this, they may attempt to purchase list from you through blind intermediary.  Then you are identified (at minimum, circumstantially) and goose is cooked.  Gambling houses often link to "organized" crime or at least shady characters.

Smartest move is cover tracks and delete all trace of these data.  Second smartest, or more stupid, is cover tracks, encrypt data, hide data away from home, and forget about for year or two.  Then you can make money from data.

More stupid is not forget and research, network, and such in gambling data area in years before using data.

If must use data, decrease probability of you as thief by increase pool of people who could possibly have these data.

But smartest move is make money without these data.  Delete these post and ask people quoting you to delete post in thread.  Criminal talk is bad for everyone.