I have tried my best to work with him and get everything resolved but he has now taken to just no contact with me.

 I am the owner of coinvisitor.com and this user has been on our site often and approached me for a loan for his site of 1 btc to be paid back within 1 week. I let the week pass and bottom line he did not pay it back over 1 month later and I also won an auction from him on bitmit for a runescape account that he never sent.

 I ended up requesting money back from the sale which was refunded but I see a pattern developing here. He is now trying to sell the account again, sell salsa which likely cannot be imported to most countries and borrows bitcoin without payment and then to end it all just drops off the planet and acts like nothing is going on.

 Sorry Andrew - you cannot say I did not try to work with you and your promises of payment over and over again and then dropping off the face of the earth it is my duty to notify the public on this.

 Your protection is no longer more important than the safety of the community and I have to let people know what is up.

any questions or anything message me here or email info@coinvisitor.com


Kev
(coinvisitor.com)

still trying to sell the account you already sold to me huh? Now I am getting really ticked. Not only do you scam me out of a bitcoin - you then try to scam me out of an account I bought from you by not sending it on top of it. You sir are going down...........

More than enough time has passed and after 24 hours pass expect things to change.

You really need to contact me, just saying......

Thanks Bitcoinget,

 We will continue to work to serve the community as we have and rebuild it. The good thing about it is we should end up a lot more features and functions for the users to benefit from by the temp. features we put in to continue the earnings and the final replacement of the main site.

This is a classic example of what I tell people about bitcoin is there is not so much competition as it is backing up the other sites with yet another way for users to earn.

 Good to have your support, your much like a brother/sister site to the community. Eventually we may have enough ways in place for people to really benefit from them and the earning potential be very decent compared to it is now.

 People run out of ways to earn way before the desire to earn does and each time a site steps in it makes us all able to keep them in the community.

Good luck to you as well and see you in the community

Kev

Thanks coinguy,

 That is a driving force here. We have been a introductory to bitcoin for many many users and loved to be there to help. It should not take long to get another earning way up and running to keep it going until we reconstruct the site and new features.

Reasons for shut down and where we are headed........



I decided to shut it down because more than enough time has passed that we cannot wait for things to just fall into place as they were
and even if we get the site back up the current way to manage it is 100% unacceptable in terms of function maintenance.

 We have been a 2 man team on this site since the start with a lot of help from our users. Life has a strange way to always throw a curveball and
due to things in both our lives we needed help. I started working a job that was 72 hours a week mostly to help fund the site due to
the extreme growth so fast. My current ways to support family and home did not allow me the time to manage the site, learn bitcoin,
and have the amount of funds needed to support the site so shut down current business and went to work for someone else.

 And goddog the developer also has a family and home to support with a farm he runs and some issues as well that did not allow the time we had at the start so we decided to look for a back up developer to meet the needs the site.

 We had several very good candidates but in the end things just did not work out for various reasons and we were still looking for an alternative back up.

 Goddog did an update before he had to leave for brothers wedding in another country and it took longer than expected so we got things back online and were not able to do the usual 24 hour test of things we do overall and he had to go or would have missed the plane.

 Things went well at first then issues with client started, it kept kicking out and was not staying up. We kept manually restarting it as we could but with him with his family time was not there for a true fix. Things kept getting worse to the point we could no longer add sites, payments were not being made out on time, the admin panel I use is not letting me edit pages or add or edit anything overall that I need to.

 I do not know what is going on and I am sure there is a huge reason he has been unavailable but it only brings it more to light we cannot offer a service and keep our responsibilities with current things in place and complete restructure has to be done before I could feel comfortable enough to say yes we can do as we say we will to both the visitors and the advertisers.

So here we are with a few things to sort out and begin the process of building a even better way to serve the community.

More to follow........

Hello,

 First I would like to apologize for the issues at coinvisitor. We have taken a great deal of pride in our ability to
provide what us and many have considered a great service to the bitcoin community.

We have closed the site for now due to development and site issues. I personally am not a programmer by any means and have
little to no access to the files and such to try to repair. so unless the developer comes back on and we can get things taken
care of we will be down.


 I will have this and other statements done in multiple parts for the different levels of coinvisitor supporters. We have some
very very dedicated users of the site and are vital people in our little slice of the bitcoin community and we have had a very
open door policy at coinvisitor for them and all users of the site and will go into more details for them after this lesser
of a statement for just the general users who use us more as a faucet for free coins than a community.

Bottom line for general users your balances are safe, we always pay our users and always will without fail.
I am beginning to set up the process for those who want payout immediately. This will have to be done manually from personal wallet
for now until I have a better data collection method in place to speed up the process.

Anyone who needs payment right away can email me at info@coinvisitor.com and include wallet address associated with account and I will
manually issue the payments to them from personal wallet since site client and wallet are not accessable by me right now.

This will not be instant and will check back every moment I can to log the information, verify the amounts and kick out a payment. I will not
be able to issue a block payment so the fees are going to be killer for a little while but it is what is needed to do this then we will do it.

As far as the site goes I would like to open a faucet to continue the give backs to the community as intended with the site and have participation
on a voluntary level for site support.

 I do not have that set up yet but will have that beginning as well as well as the payout process.

 So do not count us out of the game yet, keep checking with us as things can change in a heartbeat as options come up and for a traffic driven and
based site it will at least let us keep some of our rank we worked for without losing to much ground there to.

Any questions or comments once again you can email us at info@coinvisitor.com and also for those in need of immediate payout can begin the process
as well with that email.

Thanks again to all and without a doubt we are not finshed and will bounce back as always bigger and stronger than before.

More statements to follow on progress, outlook and continue the open door policy we have on the site below.

Kev

Coinsvisitor.com

Good deal,

 That is the way we like to see things handled. I do not think most people who posted the work would have any issues especially the open source if you just credited the source.

 Taking them down was a good first step and I did not think it was your intention to have it turn this way at all and is why we reached out first.

 You have a good concept and intentions.

 If there is a way to just point them to the original source of where you got the code and programs and such, contact the poster when possible and preferences of how you could post or maybe just give all the credit you can to the original poster from information given they should not have any issues and may in fact appreciate the extra exposure.

Good luck

Kev

coinvisitor.com

Yes but you need to start crediting you sources, trouble is brewing fast from not doing so. You take someones work and not credit them is like stealing from the community. It may be a simple misunderstanding but you are now aware of it and there are a few people that will be watching things.

 We appreciate your attempts but needs some work and good thing is we usually as a community are very fast to work with someone.

Please consider this in future and a whole lot of drama can be avoided.

This is the edited part " you are also using coin url to profit from them some. I know it is not much at all and you are entitled to get something for your efforts but what we have in reality is someone taking scripts someone else wrote no credit given and profiting from them. I hope you see the issue for what it is and act accordingly"

Kev

coinvisitor.com

I am going to waste a little more time on this issue that only you seem to have since you edited the posting and decided to come back at us some more.

 I will break down everything in your post for you and I hope this is the last of it.

Douglas:

It has come to my attention that Coinvisitor has been having trouble fulfilling payment requests. After people spending more time on that site than most of the other "Paid to" BTC sites the Admins there are aware that they will not be able to make good on all of the payments they owe to their users.
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Answer:

 Yes we are having trouble because or site is having issues and all the users know it. It was lagging, the stats do not update, I could not post ads to it, Our bitcoin wallet client is not sending payments.  How can I moke good on them when the site does not function right now, once again it has nothing to do with bitcoin balance in the site wallet. We have enough in there to cover the payments multiple times. But I refuse to manually send payments of a thousand or more and I think that is to much to ask instead of waiting for the site to be back up. For any user who needs the coins and emails us I can do it but for just general payments no. The users that are there often and spend time with us know we were doing updates and test a couple days ago and were working with us on testing as the work was done.
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DOUGLAS:

Much like we saw Bitcoinfaucet.at take the money and run (which was not intentional either) we may see Coin Visitor go the same way. The frustration began withtheir switching over to new servers. Then, thinking it was going to be smooth sailing, orders for coins were placed from MtGox and never fulfilled in time. In addition the site was not able to handle the traffic on the 'Pay per view" side of the site but they assured their visitors that it would be fixed and they would not lose their balances. And they wont technically lose their balances. The balances will still be there under their address. But we will see if they will ever be able to make good on what is owed. If just half of the users decided to cash out it would most likely run them completely dry.
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Answer:
Take the money and run, are you serious when I put most of the money into it. Until we got to a comfortable level in traffic and views I decided to fund the sites myself that visitors view with a few sites that liked our site advertising along with us.

 Until we closed the site all users could check their balances so yes it is a fact the balances are safe and saved.

And if just half the users decided to cash out it would run us dry? Where are you getting this information?

Tell me what our balance is in wallet and tell me what we owe since you feel this way. You have zero and I repeat zero idea and that is just slander. 100% slander because you have no idea of either numbers at all I promise you and if you do tell us. Go ahead in your next post tell us what this is based on please, tell us or retract that statement and tell the people that this is just something you feel or could happen but is based on no facts what so ever so keep it to yourself.

You want to pull this stuff with no information and just put stuff like this out there against my site when there is more than enough to pay and that is a fact and try to do damage to all the hard work we have done. You know it I am getting mad and have every reason to be.

 So tell us what that is based on or knock it off, did it come to you in a dream, just a hunch or what because I know exactly what is in there and what is owed to our users and we will be just fine, continue to grow and add more sites and services and pay more to our visitors than comes in until we see fit. Hard to do when we are broke though huh................pfffffft.......

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DOUGLAS:

I was doubtful and decided to test this after receiving this info from someone who is familiar with the inner workings of the site. After all, I had used the "pay per view" side of the site AND had been paid before. So I hopped into the "paid to chat" side of the site, accumulated .00015 btc and requested a payout. Sure enough, 24 hours went by...no payment. 48 hours went by...no payment.

It was starting to look like the info that was given to me a little while back was in fact turning out to be true.

So now what?
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Answer:
 So we tell you the site is broke and we are having payment issues, you try to cash out and do not get the payment.  I was unsure of when we could take care of this and had hoped it would be but until goddog is available to even at least talk to I cannot say when this will be fixed. He speaks italian only and I english only, he can type it very well from using the internet but speaking it lets just say I would have been better off calling my toaster because the speaking back and forth did not work at all and I cannot send sms to bolivia to him.
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DOUGLAS :

I dont know. But if the mods know right now that they do not have the funds to pay their users then it is unethical for them to continue to gain customers that are viewing ads with the expectation of being paid, then they should make an announcement and close the site until they can live up to their promise.

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Answer:
 The mods have nothing to do with payments or anything and know full well we do what we say we will do. They explained countless times to people we are having some issues and they will be taken care of as soon as possible. And your saying we do not have the funds is an outright lie, I said it outright lie because we do and we always have and I ask you to show one shred of evidence of this or once again tell the people you have no idea really and it came to you in a dream or gut feeling or whatever. I will tell every single person reading this 100% for sure he has no information backing this up because it is not true - plain and simple it is not. It is the wallet client that is the issue not our bottom line and balance. I personally would not even have a clue right now how to set it up to kick payments out and if you have an answer other than a gut feeling or came to you in a dream than go ahead and enlighten me and the people you are trying to (and I use therm loosely) INFORM......
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(PS - The short temper of the mods and irrational quick fire banning is characteristic of site management with the intention of not paying people knowing they are in trouble. Their frustration is already at maximum level and they seem to already be practicing just how to ignore people)

In the end I hope everything I was told was wrong. But I dont think it is. It can easily be tested. Everyone cash out. We'll see right away if they can make any payments. I am willing to bet they can not. And if this post causes them to scrounge together $$ to buy BTC just to cover themselves in anticipation of this event, then the very act of exposing them would cause them to do the right thing. Then, and only then, can their users come out on top.
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Answer:

 How dare you call our mods short tempered and quickfire banning. We are running a paying chat and some users are trying to take advantage of it as expected or disruptive to chat or site principles. And you talk like this in my chat I will ban you in a heartbeat myself for ever if I had my way. If you take a second and look back at all that is posted by you and I will say it right now inability to back up your statements because I do not have to wait for you reply to know you cannot back up any of them because they are not true and expect us to think you have good judgement on what is acceptable and not when you slander the hell out of my site with nothing to back it up, (insert words of choice here.

 Then you end by telling people to cash out on a system that we told you we cannot until it is fixed just to prove we can't.... were you dropped on your head as a infant?  How the heck do you expect that to work?

 If you think I am coming across hard on you I tell you what, you spend the time and money to build this type of thing and have someone pull this on you and see how you feel. Coinvisitor is more than a site, it is a hard working community dedicated to bitcoin and its users and you slander the site and the community like this any longer Mr. Douglas you will see just how much I love bitcoin, the community, our visitors, the people who worked hundreds and hundreds of hours on this.

 Now in closing, you may have had good intentions to begin and I commend that. I can see where you may want to protect other users and such from scams. But you have no idea how much you are barking up the wrong tree with this, we got you back on that. But if you can not provide the information I CLEARLY  and I repeat CLEARLY  asked for of you to back anything up you claimed and you decide to attack my site, my mods, my users or anything else I promise you that you will end up looking like a window licker on the short bus.......

Have a good day Douglas and back this up or back off. I hope your intentions were good from the start and that is the only reason I held back as much as I did.

Take care and be careful of what you post from now on, I hope this can be settled once and for all now that I took this time which I do not have to make it clear stopping just short of taking out a crayon and drawing a picture............

I do not want to have to be put in the "get along shirt with you" - if you do not know what that is here is a link....

https://www.google.com/search?q=get+along+shirt&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=a6pmUYTfG7XE4APjqIGgAQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1517&bih=741


Kev

(coinvisitor)

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Good luck all

Sincerely

Douglas Stewart

Hello,

 The traffic is not fake. We pick sites that are good for bitcoin and informative and send our visitors there. They have to stay on the site for at least 10 seconds to get paid from us to visit those sites. I do this out of pocket until I am comfortable with the amount of users we get to target advertisers. We just reached over 1 million page views and will be targeting advertisers soon for the service.

 I am glad to see the numbers that high and it shows we work, I hope it helps you in search listings and with visitors to your site

Kev -

Coinvisitor

Listen, the bottom line is you put our site on a scam list after we told you and everyone else our site and server issues in great detail. You only know about the mtgox, the servers, programmer and so on because we have a open door policy. Quite a few of the users have my phone number, know where I work and so on and so on, I am far from hiding a thing.

 The true bottom line is you put us on a scam list because you did not get your payment in 48 hrs. I will likely be much longer than the 48 hrs because the programmer is supposed to be gone until the 14th. If you put this much time and effort, do everything you can to make the site and the experience better for users and someone puts you on a scam list because they did not get payment you would not be happy either.

 You are pretty much one of the only ones that have made this accusation, is instawallet a scam? mtgox? coinurl? or other sites that had to shut down for maintenance or other things for a few days to a week?

 This is just not appreciated and there is no basis for it, none. It is that simple period. I am not going to go into the long details of things any longer about this issue because it just does not need to be done like this post was.

 I do understand the concerns over sites not taking care of their customers and believe the intention of this post was originally done as a way to protect users. But at a great expense to our site with no reason for it. People saw the lag, saw the issues saw they were not getting paid and understood hey there is something wrong.

 It is much harder to keep this short and sweet because I want to address everything you said but seriously I do not have the time for this and it is not needed.

 Those users that know us best know this is not needed and it will be resolved when goddog gets back and the exact reasons my hands are tied that I cannot do this myself or have another developer step in I am in a partnership with terms agreed to by both ends and no matter what will not act against them and even though we have a great stand by developer willing to help certain portions of the site, accounts and so on are split up and in reality is none of your business, but we have a very open door policy overall.

 In closing we are not short on funds, the mtgox payments had nothing to do with the site and were personal funds I was going to put in prize pool and extra sites and so forth and I am just going to stop there because I have spent enough time on this.

 Sorry for your thought on the need to post this but to all our visitors and long time users. We are fine, we have to redo part of the site and get things flowing again and will as soon as possible.

Any questions email us at info@coinvisitor.com

Thanks -

Kev

 
 

Mr Stewart,

 I would like to begin to say that you have no idea what is going on and until then you should perhaps not post things like these. You have not emailed us or asked me personally what is going on before this post which should have been step 1.

 To begin with we are down for maintenance. We have server issues, wallet client issues and even our site will not update stats right now. Mtgox had problems, instawallet is down, block chain, and almost every site out there has had issues and they have teams of people and experts on staff. It is just me, goddog , some great chat mods and another developer in reserve but no work has been done with him until we have more of a chance to sort through some stuff.

 The mtgox issue we had was I was buying more coins to double our pages and add to the prizes more and had nothing to do with paying visitors what they earned. This was to be an event for our 1 millionth page view. Last time for our 500k page view I gave 500,000 satoshis to the visitor on the 500k page as a surprise. I was almost out of coins after adding almost 2 btc into prize pool for chat ,site and more pages for the visitors and needed to refill. It took 12 days to finally get it applied after their mess up.

 Goddog did some changes and updates and they took a little longer than expected. We got the site back up a few days ago and he had to catch a flight to another country for his brothers wedding and we were unable to do the usual 24 hour full load test we do. It ended up we had issues and without him able to take care of them right this moment we had to shut down until we find a solution. I am not a developer or coder and I support the sites needs in return and take care of most of the non developing and coding side of things due to my just learning the basics and even less thus far in that field so we are stuck right now and working on a solution.

 It has nothing to do with not having the funds or as you put it we may take the money and you run have no idea. The sites on coinvisitor are about 80% put there by myself out of pocket so the users have content. It has been since day 1. Until we built a good traffic flow, good numbers and a good reputation I decided to not target advertisers and fund them. Every single bitcoin down to the satoshi and then some has been returned to the visitors and more from the site.


 Goddog runs a farm and I now work 12 hrs a day 6 days a week and one of the main reasons for the job I got now is to support this site and new ventures. We have been in search of a new developer to help with the workload  named Shade. A very well respected developer from California. and we are not just going to say yes to the first person to come along. Even with the workload I bought mobile internet so I can still maintain contact on the site and in chat while on breaks at work and to check a minute or 2 that all is good and check emails and such in case of any situations. We are trying every avenue to make this a success and think we have due to the positive feedback we receive.

 We built this site because we both support bitcoin and what it represents and decided to not just make a facebook post about it and take action and will never do anything such as you imply. It has cost us thousands to get where we are today and almost all out of pocket and when you see the developments in planning and being built to make bitcoin safer, more user friendly and add services and goods to the market you will see just how dedicated we are.

 These things take time and money and our visitors come first and foremost and will never EVER not get what they earned. I will say in your defense that yes there have been to many problems with users getting the short end but promise you we are not one of them. When you see the system unfold as we can develop it you will know just how dedicated him and I are, and the new members we bring into it.

 I feel we have a right to let people know what is going on in our defense and if you visit or chat you will see service and an open door policy like no other. We are building a community and very often one of new bitcoin users stops. We have had many site owners come visit us and work with us along the way and some even got their first coins from us.

 I will leave it at that other than saying thank you again to the community for the understanding and continued support, we will be back bigger and stronger.

Kev
(coinvisitor)

 

 

 

The problem we are having is it does not take much to track where our payments were made to on the blockchain and we have no way of knowing which ones are instawallet and which ones are not. The only way we can think of verifying it is in fact an instawallet address was with the url. If anyone knows how to identify a wallet is in fact an instawallet we would appreciate the information.

 As is stands right now since we tried to keep it as simple and anonymous as possible we only have the address to tie to an account and not a specific user. It would take nothing for someone to use the blockchain and collect addresses of where payments were sent and request payments to be sent to a wallet that is not the rightful owners or applied to an account that is also not the rightful owners.

 This is a complex issue and we do not want the users to have to wait until instawallet handles it and even then not knowing how they are going to handle it if we waited until then if there will be a way to tie the old and new together.

 The earnings may be small by some standards but the users earned them and we want to not create another whole issue trying to make things right to them.

 Suggestions would be appreciated, if instawallet payments are not verified and sent back it may be a way to verify it is an instawallet perhaps, uncharted territory we have here. But tying all that data together would be insane. Collect the wallet address, verify the account, send payment, wait for it to be rejected, collect those addresses, match the old address with the new and then issue a payment and last of all void the old account out. For every single wallet, not diggin it.

 That is just an example and no idea if it would work at this moment. So any suggestions like I said would be appreciated.

Kev

Hello,

 I have been trying to replace the notice posted prior and this is what it will be when I can get the control panel to function properly. Since we updated a few functions have been giving us grief. But here it is and sorry for any misunderstandings.

Kev

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Those of you who used instawallet we issued a request for information on the accounts in order to handle the issue. We were unsure of how to exactly handle this issue and what information we needed.

We did not mean any security issue when asking for link and address but that was a oversight on our part. We will do our best to find a solution by using address only and information on new address.



Rest assured the very few that sent us such information it will be handled with great discretion. We at coinvisitor have never been for profit since day 1 and any thought of us using the information provided for any sort of gain goes down to the foundation of our very existence since day 1. We are trying to provide a service with well over 100% of all income being returned back to the visitors.

We have concentrated on building the community and getting our name, reputation and visit number up to an acceptable level where we feel we can be of great service to the community first. Until we reached that goal it was decided for us to be 100% non profit and then some.

We are a porthole for the newcommers and respect that, we wanted the first experiences for the new users of bitcoin who come to us as hassle free and rewarding as possible and in almost every user we talk to opinions we have been a success in that. I even have had contact with now current site owners who say they got their first free coins from us. Now that is rewarding......

But anyway we will address the instawallet issue as soon as we can and keep trying to be the best experience to our users as possible.



 Thanks for understanding and all the support,



Kev - info@coinvisitor.com

If you could set it to proper safe for work level it would be appreciated, love the service and your ads load nice. It is great to have you as a service partner. Thanks for the attentiveness to this. And yes it is coinvisitor.com.

Kev

Although boobs are usually good to display at anytime in my opinion and should be both promoted and welcomed. But I have to say in the banner ads on our site which is set for


Filtration level:50 (allows: gambling politics religion safe and appropriate)

 Not diggin it, some of the users are complaining about it when they use it at work. http://www.strip4bit.com/   NSFW LINK !!!

Attention to it would be appreciated.

Thanks
Kev

(coinvisitor.com)

I like the coinvisitor idea.......but perhaps a little biased......

would you be available for a chat danny?  http://coinvisitor.com/chat/?login  if possible....... Thanks Kev....