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**** Total Unpaid is a combination of your confirmed Balance and your fluctuating total pending. This value will rarely be constant.
Nobody is questioning fluctuating balances. What we wonder is where 20% go during payout. Riddle me this: If I offer you $10 (that is 10 USD, not $10 worth of pesos) to wash my windows, how much do you expect to get paid? $10 or $8? If I mine 10 coins of something I expect to see 10 and not 8 coins of that something in my wallet, excluding the pool fee. Now if i DO offer you $10 worth of pesos and I DO mine coin X and get paid in BTC I DO expect the balance to fluctuate a bit. Again, you are holding an estimate, a 'non-static value' (a pending/pre-paid assumption before share paid) as a known integer(your random cash exchange montra above), a static known value. We understand that Share%*98% is what you should theoretically be paid. But again.... Theory. The path of the result is unknown to most. Is the pool getting 2% of all mined blocks, then the rest is divvied up? What order does it happen in? How would the resulting estimate be a different number between those two events? Yes. Some logic will interfere. It inherently does. This is why programmers are highly paid.... because they can understand, and think on these types of levels. But sometimes... people miss details. They stick one calculation before the rest and it work fine in all but one or two instances. These are called bugs. Now if it's a real problem (not meeting 100% in all daily payouts between everything it needs to be), yes. that is serious. But there is no proof of a problem. Just some symptoms with no cause or hysteresis of proof in them. But there's a very real chance, an equal chance or possibly greater that it could just be a display problem via the code.... remember, it's pre-estimating. I keep repeating this. Over and over again. What joblo said. It's not pre-estimating when there is no conversion to BTC, or at least when there should be no conversion. The payout size is actually very well known. Take BERN for example. One block is 250 coins. If I have mined 10% of one block I should get 25 BERN if I ask to get paid in BERN. Judging by the code, that might not be the case. Instead, we may have two redundant conversions; one conversion from BERN to BTC, and then another one from BTC back to BERN. It's also very possible that there is something funky going on with BTC payments as well, but that's a bit more complex with more variables. |
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i think this pretty much says it all
**** Total Unpaid is a combination of your confirmed Balance and your fluctuating total pending. This value will rarely be constant.
you can guesstimate how many coins you should be getting with your hash rate and go from there.. with mine, zpool is a clear winner..
Nobody is questioning fluctuating balances. What we wonder is where 20% go during payout. Riddle me this: If I offer you $10 (that is 10 USD, not $10 worth of pesos) to wash my windows, how much do you expect to get paid? $10 or $8? If I mine 10 coins of something I expect to see 10 and not 8 coins of that something in my wallet, excluding the pool fee. Now if i DO offer you $10 worth of pesos and I DO mine coin X and get paid in BTC I DO expect the balance to fluctuate a bit. |
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Most of this discussion assumes a mined coin is exchanged for the payout coin. The 20% reduction also occurs when the matured block
is the same currency as payout. In such cases there is no exchange. There's no use adding unnecessary variables to the problem.
I wish you success in finding the problem.
The theory is that the coin is exchanged behind the scenes from X to BTC and back to X for payout. Could very well be but the loss is too great and too consistent for that IMO. |
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i dont know what im seeing in these posts.. but it seems its showing the block reward % based on shares, then when its paying out its different? Exactly. Your shares should stay consistent before and after payout when you mine to the same coin. is it just a few different algos? it doesnt seem to be doing it with sha256.. i guess you cant really check very easily. since it strictly shows the payout in mbtc and id have no idea how many certain coins i mined..
but this seems to be the best pool for sha256.. Hard to say. It gets trickier with the multi coin algorithms since the amount you get paid is influenced by the exchanges and coin prices. i dunno if its been suggest but have you tried the yiimp authors pool with those coins to see if the code is flawed? https://github.com/tpruvot/yiimphttp://yiimp.ccminer.org/it has sib with zero miners, so all the coins would be yours and you can see if you get the exact correct amount.. im not sure what modifications crackfoo did to the code.. but if the coins are off in the base, it would show where the flaw is The tpruvot pool does not exhibit this behaviour as far as I can see. I don't know what the code diff is between these pools but tpruvot's pool does not have auto exchange enabled. Not that it should matter when doing non-trading mining. The users have provided information limiting the scope of the problem and suggestions on database queries. Some people have offered to check logs but there is only so much they can do without the help of the operator. |
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i wonder if people are getting confused with the 24 hour payout vs the 24 hour actual payout??
let me show you..
zpool shows the pay out for the last 24 hours.. today i made
Time Amount Tx
104m ago 0.00620139 99bf5b044c2aef7566b8059b1acffdbfb085...
19h ago 0.00582565 7ae2ae7031b76e76ec254a9c88f3a2d68f65...
Total: 0.01202704
but this isnt an actual daily payout that my wallet is going to see.. i wont make .012 tomorrow.. or the next day.. because..
zpool pays out every 18 hours.. so 18+18 is 36 - 24 leaves 12 hours extra that gets rolled over for tomorrow.. then the next day and the next, until Sunday when i get an extra smaller payout.
if you take the .012 and divide it by 36 and then times it by 24, i actually made 0.008018 today.. which is very good since i am supposed to only be getting 0.00688 mining bitcoin
but this number is not shown anywhere on the page..
i wonder if this is the missing coins that people claim they are missing.. they dont work the 18 vs 24 hours?
perhaps if you can change the payout for every 12 hours instead of 18, or even once a day it might be more clear?
No, that's not it. You mine a coin into the same coin but somehow 20 additional percent mysteriously vanishes. It's like digging for gold in somebody's gold mine. You mine 100 grams of gold in an arbitrary time period, expecting to get 98 grams in your pocket after the mining fee but instead you get 78 grams. |
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With this much information it should be a matter of 1-2 hours to track down the 20%. Is zpool running yiimp or yaamp?
I agree, I've given it my best shot and narrowed the problem as you quoted above. It looks like the user data for each block is stored in SQL and the payout data is taken from SQL. They should match. The next step seems obvious although I've stated it many times already. Yiimp vs yaamp might be part of the problem. The original yaamp supported auto-exchange of mined coins but when TPruvot forked it he dropped auto-exchange for his yiimp pool. Somewhere along the way Zpool came out and supported auto-exchange using the yiimp fork. Although the problem appears not to be related to exchange (ie the loss also occurs when mining same coin as payout) it is possible the exchange code is still being run and performning a null-exchange of some kind when calculating the balance. But that's just speculation. I was going to write a brainstorming post trying to dig further into the mystery, but what's the point? The operator is apparently not interested. @joblo, please drop me a PM for a hint where I can point my miners. I cannot PM you since I cannot see the captcha images. |
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The error first appears in the balance, this is before the payment. It is correct when a block is "cleared" but the balance is short. Then the payment just pays out the already short balance. With this much information it should be a matter of 1-2 hours to track down the 20%. Is zpool running yiimp or yaamp? |
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Does yiimp's earning estimation match that of the exchanges? It should be trivial to check if you have access to the DB, and it'll probably help locating where things go haywire.
there's no question about exchanges and estimates anymore. you mine a coin with payout to same coin on a single coin pool and it takes 20% (or more). i doubt the op needs any help here  Aaaah, true. Didn't think about that. I've been absent from this thread for too long Edit: If it was my pool I would start looking here: https://github.com/tpruvot/yiimp/blob/35220977ef209ced403f1c4c82efb65561cc9493/web/yaamp/core/backend/payment.php#L44 |
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Does yiimp's earning estimation match that of the exchanges? It should be trivial to check if you have access to the DB, and it'll probably help locating where things go haywire.
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I guess if you didn't get the jist of what I was saying the short version is. If you don't want to get PAID more than other pools, you may want to look into switching.
just switch, answer to the problem doesnt matter, just switch, i am seeing that it doesnt matter about some miners, just switch, cause you have plenty of miners on the pool that will fill your pockets so it doesnt matter, starting to sound a lot like corporate or walmart or something lol, if you dont like it switch, to big to give a real reason. i will switch now problem, without trust there is nothing guys i hope it works out for you, happy mining no, just tired of the broken fuckin record. The code is there, I didn't build it, nor am I a developer and nor did the current dev build it. If you know where the issue is, submit the code fix to the open source repo and I'll happily pull and merge it into zpool. I have nicehash miners running now almost since the pool started and the continue to earn so it's not really my problem to cradle everyones testicles to make them feel good. The pool is profitable so if you can't figure out how to do it properly why am I responsible? Whats the secret? Hire a developer to build you your own intelligent bot. you know all anyone wanted was a real reason, my profitability calculations always come out correct and payouts are always made when they should be, and i definitely dont need you to cradle mt testicles by any means, its what happens when you stop mining, and you have your total earned, for example if the total BTC earned is 0.00432 and keep in mind you have stopped mining, over a period of time while the coins you have mined are confirming being exchanged and being cleared the total earned will decrease and for example you will end up with around 0.00382 for example, instead of getting pissed off and talking crap to people just explain it none of the other stuff matters total earned should be total earned right? it used to be and if that has changed just explain why and if you dont know just say i have no idea or act your dev so you can give a simple explanation no need for an attitude, its not that hard just a real honest explanation, instead if you have a problem switch, you know there are miners out there that really like this pool including me, so no need to act like that remember no matter how much btc you make or payout the pool is as only good as the miners who mine it, no miners no pool, so thanks for your thought Total Earned includes the Total Unpaid which includes the best guess for the coins in the exchange and the ones going to the exchange. One would expect them to fluctuate but does your Balance decrease as well? Edit: I agree about the attitude though. I too have started to look for alternatives. |
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so i just added up my last 30 days worth of mining here to check to see if i am getting what you guys are seeing and it is low..
in the last 30 days i do have to admit there was some downtime.. a couple hours tops.. plus there was that one day that the pool went down and i made zero that day..
in the last 30 days, i have received on my payout address according to blocktrail.. RECEIVED 0.22005283 BTC divide that by 30 and thats 0.0073350943333333 a day.
i have 2 s7s, which are underclocked to 500.. they run around 3.3th each.. so a total of 6.6.. for the sake of math and downtime i am going to calculate it as 6.5th
stratehm-stratum-pro d=2000 sha256 2000 6.5 Th/s 1
on the bitcoinwisdom site, 6.5th should get me 0.007404 at todays difficulty.. it did go up some in the last 30 days.. but since we are not mining bitcoin directly it shoudlnt matter.. im on par with that number.. but..
according to poolpicker zpool has been at .00166 avg for the last 30 days.. ( i just used as far as their records go.. its about 1 or 2 days off)
this should have netted me 0.01079 or a total of 0.3237.. even subtracting 2% its 0.317226.. which is more then i did receive..
maybe this should be investigated?
i dont know how to read the source, so we should find someone who does and let them go through it..
I want to chip in on this one. When I did some weekly tests I saw that CleverMining consistently paid more (as in 20% more) even though the zpool scrypt average was almost always higher. |
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Are you oc'ing I can only get 100 mh out of my 980ti. EDIT: I was using the wrong version. 223 mh  Wrong version of the miner? I feel mine is low as well (13-14Mhs), even for an old 650Ti. |
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each company has different timings in different models.!my card is the gigabyte gtx750ti windforce, Samsung memory,standard clocks default 1033 boost 1111. Your card has other timings.
YES, I AGREE-- But about all any miner is going to get is about 50MH/s from a decent 750ti. --scryptr Not sure how you guys do it. I managed to scare my GTX 650ti up to 15mhs with overclocking, though now it's just doing 5mhs for some reason  |
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gtx750ti -i 24 50mhs ,r7260x -w 64 -g 2 -I 19 stable 25mhs. Unfortunately it has great difficulty and cannot crack we are few miners.
I'm getting 12mhs on my 650ti with ccminer. It feels a bit low, doesn't it? |
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Sweet, seems to be working. Thanks! |
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crackfoo pls add siacoin or lbry its profit!!!!
lbry is loaded now but could use some testers. On there but it will take about 2-3 days to find a block at current hash rates. Hopefully the ppl who wanted it will come and mine some as well. Thanks Do you know if you can mine it on nvidia cards? Preferably with ccminer as the sgminer forks I've tried seem to freeze my computer within minutes. |
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