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ICN is one of the few altcoins with value and a real useful product. just bought some more during crash
Indeed. I think ICN is the only project on Eth chain with real and useful product that is about to launch very soon. And when it does it will be huge. |
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Got lucky, I just bought an iPhone yesterday! Ha ha  Worth it. iPhone is only worth it with ICONOMI app |
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Is there an official Aragon thread in the forum? Shapeshift, Iconomi, 25M $$$ in 30 minutes, looks like easy money.
..CoinFund, CNBC, BI, Reuters, Devs are pretty smart and professional. It's not just money - it's future |
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With 30 persons in the team it would mean that an avarage of 5555,55$ per person per month is the wage. That seems prety much to me for such a job. If the have less persons, it would be an even higher monthly wage person which is actually insane.
Burn rate isn't just wages and salaries. |
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There is no information on the total number of coins...no trust
This. An investor can't base what the value or potential value of a token is without knowing how many tokens there will be (and to an extent, what the emission curve is). Not informing us of the total number of coins is either poor planning (not a good sign) or scammy. 2351 investors who sent $25M in 10 minutes could put a potential value on ANT. So I guess you are talking BS.  |
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This is great idea, i was waiting for this to happen!
Is it same like buying prepaid Visa from store, without your name on it and you just have to add funds to it? Or do I have to register and provide all my details, name, address, social numbers??
Most companies offering bitcoin debit card work like this - you give them name, surname and address, they send you the card but it has limits like $2,5K lifetime. If you wish to remove limits you provide ID and Utility bill. Then you get like $20K per day and no lifetime limits. |
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FUD? These are facts.
Just look at the TKN on Bittrex -> -68 % free fall.
Meanwhile other alts are down -25 %.
What are your facts? Price going down on the second day of trading? During the overall crypto-market downtrend? Here are the facts: "Partnership", as you call it, with VISA isn't that hard to get. I used to work for a company that issued MasterCard - the franchise cost EUR250,000 that goes towards a security deposit, plus EUR100,000 setup fee. Very simple - just pay MC their fees and you are good to go. The same applies to VISA. Even easier if TKN works with WaveCrest. All KYC/AML is done by WaveCrest, WaveCrest provides all API's and so on. "White label" at WaveCrest costs approx. $50,000. There are a dozen companies offering "Bitcoin" debit cards, all are working with WaveCrest - it is easy as ***k. As for VISA logo, nothing illegal here either - thousands of websites show VISA logo, and since WaveCrest issues VISA cards - it is absolutely reasonable to mention what kind of cards TKN will be using. This is not an issue at all. So don't post silly statements if you don't know what you are talking about. |
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I am highly concerned about the Financial Times article: https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/05/08/2188471/introducing-truly-outlandish-ico-claims-tokencard-edition/I was very excited about the Project, but now I am quite dissapointed. I do not understand why there is so little talk about the FT article. This is serious. - Izabella Kaminska:"The story here is that Tokencard has misrepresented its visa relationship in a way that implies Visa's endorsement/cooperation, when actually the access comes by way of a third party relationship. This is like me raising money on the notion I can supply access to a gated natural park enclosure when actually I'm dependent on the goodwill of a third party who already has the access and has promised to take my client load -even tho the park itself may have a different view of my customer demographic than that third party."
So, a serious lie was told Byt the team to attacrt money from gullible people. What if TokenCard does not get the access to Visa’s payment networks? (And now I am waiting that "Turing" comes and say: All is good, no problems. Monolith & Mel are great). So there is no guarantee of a VISA partnership? I don't see any issue here, if the team get the job done either through third party partnership or direct Visa partnership. They have huge fund now to get this done. Just give them time 1. There is no guarented partnership. Monilith just hopes to have VISA partnership. 2. "I don't see any issue here, if..". " IF" the team get the job done. Mel & Monolith let us all understand that the job has been already done. That is the problem. You do not see any issue here... Are you Mel himself? I would like to hear some explanations from Monolith. Where are they? Daydreaming about VISA partnership? Stop this FUD. They said cards will be issued by WaveCrest Ltd. that already has partnership with VISA. It's really nothing extraordinary to even issue own VISA cards - just a matter of security deposit of $500K or something like that. |
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Average ICO price of TKN was how much?
39,406,760 tokens were created (including bounties and dev share) for $12.7 so the average price is just about $0.3223. The actual amount paid per tokens is of course higher. You forgot they collected about $3.5M in tokens (at pre-determined rates - can be found: http://vessenes.com/tokencard-tech-roundup-and-erc20-crediting/ ) So it's about $0.4 per TKN including bounties and dev share. In fact about 2/3 of participants paid 1 ETH for 100 TKN and only about 1/3 was able to get a discount (150-110 TKN per ETH) At pre-set ICO x-rates, to get in, people paid something like $0.7 per TKN on average. Please correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Iconomi might come back it's just really hard to tell and the benefits that their first mover advantage gave them seem to be fewer and fewer as the days go on. It kinda sucks they originally collected $10,000,000 USD and the funds value has grown $50,000,000+ just based on the rise of crypto in general and we as holders don't really benefit at all from it. When on the other hand you have coins like Taas that have collected $8,000,000 and since the end of their ICO the value of their funding has grown 25% ($2,000,000) and they've already confirmed that profits generated from overall crypto growth count as profit (as it should) and will be paid back to investors as dividends, meaning the first dividend payments already going to be 50% of that $2,000,000 and it's only been 8 days since the end of the ICO. Meanwhile Iconomi won't provide the burn address or even tell it's investors how much they've invested in their latest ICO's until the end of the quarter, how does that make any sense and how is that transparent?
Personally I'd prefer not to distribute gains from ICO assets growth. By distributing you limit the investment capabilities. More money to invest = more profit for investors. BTW your numbers are skewed plus TaaS is building portfolio using 75% of ICO funds which leaves them with just $6M to invest if they distribute ICO funds value gains. Also ICONOMI has several revenue streams ICNX, ICNP, public DAA and yet unadvertised ICNL. In addition to that ICN is going to be a utility token as well. Do your math now  |
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Yes. Actually, no one can define "long term". Even Warren Buffet. And he have stocks for like 60 years. You can watch him on YT talking about it. In crypto world "Long term" is more than 3 months. So, you were saying....
Where did you get that 3 months from? Development in IT takes time. I was saying just one thing: Holders will at least be waiting for the platform release and profit distribution. We will then decide whether the project is a good investment or not and whether to keep it or not. |
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It's fun watching how day traders are getting angry.
No Polo + no dividends + buybacks = no insane volatility = good for holders, bad for traders.
There are plenty of shitcoins to play with.
ICN isn't a speculation token - it is steadily building value for long term investors. Punto.
Poor communication? - Total BS. Quarterly public reports, transparent investment decisions and monthly AMA is a dozen times more communication you would get from any ETF out there.
ICONOMI team is focused on delivering a working platform - it's better not to rush to release a buggy crap just to satisfy those whining home-made traders.
4x-5x ICO value in 6 months and the platform isn't even out yet.
C'mon lads, stop being childish - don't like ICN - go buy US debt and ask Treasury to answer your silly questions.
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So there should be something like 22.8m TKN instead of 42.3 created.
This makes sense now.
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0.3.3b
1080 - TDP 55%, GPU @ 1550-1600 MHz, Mem @ 8670, ~790 mV
av. 472 Sol/s @ 109W - 4.33 Sol/W
core 40°C (custom loop, ambient 25°C)
daily average 0.22% rejects
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Just sold my coins....took a 30%hit..these people can't be trusted...I'm out.
Nice one! Sell low, buy high. |
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Just wanted to warn everyone.
Please check that you have either changed the default port 3333 for Claymore miner remote control tool, or set -mport -3333 to enable read only mode, or -mport 0 to disable remote tool completely.
There is a thief operating with a wallet t1QBdF2yimDubPeg2BsWCme843GegCWWifK. This lad overrides your configurations via remote tool and makes your rig mine for him. Pretty neat.
Regards.
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