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201  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: What (exactly) is required for a 51% attack? on: April 27, 2013, 12:52:17 AM
Blocks in a row are irrelevant. To double spend  you need to rewrite history . Which means mining ahead of the network, then spending, then releasing your mined blocks.

I am sure there is stuff about this on the wiki .                 
202  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: April 26, 2013, 06:12:48 AM
My statement wasn't a value judgement on the choice to pay more per Ghps than a device is likely to earn, just that this seemed to be happening - and not just with Blade customers either. I'm certainly not saying that the decision to buy was stupid, just that the choice was apparently not motivated by profit.

Either that, or they have different assumptions about the likely future income of such a device than you or I or others do. 

Although I agree with other sentiments - if a device is deemed to be worth more to asicminer as a miner rather than as a sale unit, then we should mine with it.  However that assumes we have the ability to deploy all our units - and given that that's not the case, as I understand it, selling them seems wise from a shareholder's perspective.
203  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: April 26, 2013, 05:52:28 AM
If they are paying just the right amount, it makes no difference whether we sell or mine.

People are not going to pay the right amount though. So far it's clear they are are willing to far pay more for a Blade than it's likely to earn over the device life time - even if they get it within a few days of ordering.



So you think our customers are stupid then? Tongue

I take your Tongue to mean that you are joking, but neither you nor organofcorti are the first to say those words, and I just want to get this off my chest:

Why do people have such a hard time coming to terms with the fact that value is subjective?

Just because they valued a 10GH/s blade at BTC75 (or whatever) doesn't mean that if that device doesn't mine more than BTC75 that they are stupid.  Maybe they don't believe BFL will deliver, maybe they think Avalon will be late on all fronts, and maybe they are willing to gamble on that?

Or maybe they have bitcoins to burn, and want to help distribute hashing power around the network?

Or maybe they just value the bragging rights of having one of the first publicly sold blade mining asic units in the world? 

Their reasons are their own, and for you to label them as stupid is insulting to everyone.
204  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 2013-04-25 Litecoin is MAGNITUDES more secure than Bitcoin on: April 26, 2013, 04:57:04 AM
Litecoin tries so hard to be the next bitcoin, but seems destined to remain the chuck-e-cheese token of cryptocurrency.

LOL.

For me, litecoin will always be just another altcoin that was started by a group of butthurt newbies that were pissed that they didn't get in early when bitcoins were cents-per-bitcoin (assuming of course that they'd have seen it for what it was and not ignored it if they had that chance).

The fact that they chose to implement it with a different crypto algorithm (at the time advertised as "cpu-friendly, non-gpu-minable", later updated to "cpu/gpu-friendly, non-asic-minable" when that was shown to be false) just shows that they gave it more than 5 minutes of thought, unlike so many of the other altcoins that popped in to (and almost as quickly, out of) existance back in 2011ish.
205  Other / Off-topic / Re: You know what I find the most disturbing about the bitcoin community? on: April 26, 2013, 04:51:57 AM
Oh my, I feel such a fool!  It's like a shroud has been lifted from my eyes and I see sense for the first time in years!  You have changed my mind with the sheer force of your formidable logic and intellect.

You are my saviour lm2f!  I don't know how to thank you!
206  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 2013-04-25 Litecoin is MAGNITUDES more secure than Bitcoin on: April 26, 2013, 04:33:24 AM
Found it a bit weird - either the author doesn't understand, or is purposely being disingenuous.

The argument about being able to mine 6 blocks in a row with good odds over a certain period of time is a red-herring, and speaks nothing about the ability to exploit your mining power for evil.

In fact, there is nothing inherently wrong with mining 6 blocks in a row.  If you were going to try to exploit the system (double-spend), just mining some blocks in a row isn't enough.  You need to mine _ahead_ of the rest of the network (keeping the blocks for yourself), then spend (on the rest of the network, which is behind you in terms of block generation), and then release your blocks, effectively rewriting history.  That's why it's called a 51% attack - because the only realistic way to get ahead of the rest of the network is to be more than 51% of the network.  (Actually thinking about it the name seems to be a bit of a misnomer - it should be a 101% attack, because the attacker has to have at least as much hashing power as the rest of the network to have a chance of pulling off a double spend).

One of the "arguments" for litecoin is the faster blocks.  So comparing, say, an hour's worth of bitcoin blocks to an hour's worth of litecoin blocks and saying "litecoin is 10x more secure" seems to me to be discounting one of the supposed selling features of litecoin.
207  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: April 26, 2013, 12:07:36 AM
2012-04-25 11:27 UTC
208  Economy / Auctions / Re: ASICMINER Auction: 100 shares starting at 1.05 BTC, one day on: April 26, 2013, 12:04:55 AM
25 @ 1.05, burnside PT as escrow

I should have bought more in your previous auction.  cest la vie.
209  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: April 25, 2013, 05:41:11 AM
I am in with my 200 chips! (provided I can work out how to find out the address I sent from in Bitcoin-QT lol)

I ended up finding my tx on blockchain.info and working backwards to save one of the sending addresses in the address book.   
210  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Private keys in multiple instances? on: April 25, 2013, 05:23:17 AM
It could be dangerous as the change addresses from one install won't be on the other.       
211  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service on: April 25, 2013, 04:37:39 AM
You could make an offer like small, medium and large. 10, 20 and 30 chips. If you do that, I'll take a 30 chip module. Maybe charge 120 eur for it?

KISS if you want this stuff to ever ship.

This x 1000.  As much as it would be more convenient to have my 50 chips in one unit, if the added complexity leads to delays then I would rather delivery sooner than later .

And i can only imagine the headache keeping track of everyone's different orders would be for burnin .              
212  Economy / Auctions / Re: 1 day ASICMINER auction: 400 shares starting at 1 BTC each on: April 24, 2013, 10:51:06 PM
PT shares and dividend received .
213  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: April 24, 2013, 06:05:03 AM
I swear bid on btct.co was 0.9 few minutes ago, interesting. Nevermind.

You should have taken the chance to buy in.  Tongue
214  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: April 24, 2013, 05:59:56 AM
OK, it is officially after 4/22. I am watching BTCGuild, and it is sitting around 7GH/s, but I figure ASICMINER may choose to point elsewhere with new hashing to avoid the 51% issue. Any thoughts as to where the new deployment is mining and any evidence of it ramping up?

Week of April 22th means on Friday at best.
This is a special notion which allows to please hasty people and distribute huge demand over wider spectrum of space-time.



And share value is plummeting... Let's wait for tomorrow's update.

"plummeting".... I don't think that word means what you think it means.

current bid/ask on btct.co is 11.2/1.18, current bid/ask on bitfunder 1.0/1.14

Sure the price has fallen from the 1.25+ spike a week or so ago, sure, but I'd hardly call it plummeting.
215  Economy / Securities / Re: High Frequency Trading Algorithm ETF IPO on: April 24, 2013, 03:24:19 AM
I started this thread cautiously interested, I think you (STS) have been actually treated very politely considering how little you have offered.

So far it seems you are trying to rip people off either through massive incompetence or deceit and you are doing such a bad job at it, it is insulting.

LOL @ being insulted at a poor scam attempt. 

Q. What sort of scammers are these Bitcoiners?
A. Nothing but the best!

Cheesy
216  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Criticize my tamper-proof paper wallet design... and steal 0.1 BTC if you can. on: April 24, 2013, 03:22:57 AM
You actually encouraged me to order ink cartridges (refills with reset chips actually) for a long unused inkjet printer, and some good stock.

Be wary - inject printer ink has a finite and relatively short life (can be as short as a few years).  Don't use inkjet unless you know the ink is long lasting, or only for temporary wallets.
217  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: WHY can't I send funds from my wallet on: April 23, 2013, 12:24:04 PM

Are you trying to pick an argument, or are  you truly asking a question here?

The fee goes to the miner who puts your transaction into the block chain.

no argument intended
just wondering how I might get paid for doing that
xfer fees are higher than mining profits

Cheesy

That's cool, I truly wasn't sure.

Transaction fees are still quite small compared to the block reward - single digit percentages I believe.  Also, some mining pools pay out tx fees, others keep them and only pay out the block reward.

There is another aspect to transfer fees beyond tx size - and that is coin age.  Older coins are cheaper to spend.  It doesn't help you right now, and with such dust the time required would probably be significant, but I believe _eventually_ your dust transactions would get cheaper.

In the meantime, if you plan on spending bitcoins, but some "real" amounts.  And make sure you set your mining pool payout threshold to a decent size amount to avoid collecting more dust.
218  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMiner Shares and Dividends on: April 23, 2013, 12:20:05 PM
Thanks for the info. I was running some calculations on the ipo numbers but these current numbers are very different.

Also keep in mind that as difficulty increases, so do the expenses, but income from mining does not increase. If, for example, AM runs 10% of total network hashing power on average, the income is fixed at ~10.8K BTC per month, but to keep up with this pace, they need to deploy more and more ASICs which increases cost, so profit goes down.

.b

I believe that a significant proportion of future hashing power hardware has already been paid for out of retained earnings.
219  Economy / Securities / Re: High Frequency Trading Algorithm ETF IPO on: April 23, 2013, 12:18:34 PM
You act like this forum only has mining securities. No, there's a ton more, and this is one of the shittier ones (like that Joker one).

The downside of a quarterly dividends is that you're able to try to get as much shares sold as possible for 3 months, dump all the shares on the orderbook, and then run away without paying a satoshi.

This isn't "innocent until proven guilty", you need to prove that (i) you can be trusted (ii) you are actually competent at what you do, and actually has a trading algorithm and (iii) that it makes a profit.

I said it was "guilty until senior members stop heckling you" and I wonder, statistically, how effective that has been at preventing scams from happening or preventing the community approved companies from going into receivership. From my casual observation it hasn't and that the senior members are a bigger threat to bitcoin commerce than any of the companies they blacklist.

I understand the need to prove trust as well as offer historical data. But this is a chicken and egg problem, for this IPO, so it is more likely I will begin operations with closely held shares and just post the NAV changes weekly.

There is no "chicken and egg" problem here.  We're not asking for proof that you know how to trade bitcoin markets.  We're asking for proof that you know how to trade _any_ markets, for a starter.  If you truly have a day-trading/HFT background then you would already have proof, maybe in the form of an already profitable ETF trading on a _real_ stock exchange, for example.

As I said in a previous post - it's simple.  Imagine it's me asking you to invest a significant proportion of your free cashflow in me and my trading enterprise.  What proof would you want me to show you, to convince you that a) I won't just run away with your money, and b) that I actually know how to turn a profit trading.

There will always be doubters and haters, so stop engaging.  Instead, answer the reasonable questions.
220  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: WHY can't I send funds from my wallet on: April 23, 2013, 12:11:35 PM
As a relative newcomer to the Bitcoin scene, I will allow myself to be guided by my betters, but I am still a bit upset that all those hours spent clicking on things on the free BTC websites produced payments that are worth far less in reality than I thought they would be.

Yes, I'd be pretty upset with the creators of those sites for luring me in with false hope as well if I were you.

They make no effort to educate their visitors to the limitations of the payouts they provide.


Let me get this straight

paying in fractional btc is not cool and reason to get upset
but charging 2 or more times the amount your are transferring for a minutes computer time to do the transfer is OK

guess I'll stop mining and just rob people to do transfers

It's not a minute's worth of computer time.  Your transaction, all that dust being spent, will be stored by the network FOR EVER.  Any time someone downloads a full blockchain for a brand new full-node, they will have to store and process that giant dust transaction.  That is the reason the fees are what they are.

so the network does the work with their computers with no compensation
and the fee goes to who...
I gotta become the "who"  get paid lots of bit coin for letting everyone else do the work

Are you trying to pick an argument, or are  you truly asking a question here?

The fee goes to the miner who puts your transaction into the block chain.
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