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201  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin = Skynet A.I.? on: April 21, 2011, 06:05:08 PM
I had to come up with this because Skynet from the Terminator television series is said to begin it's attack today  Shocked

Seriously, optimization of massively parallel computation as in the bitcoin network could speed up artificial intelligence development.

What do you say?
Dammit, now we're going to have to go back in time and prevent the creation of the terminator films.
202  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Courier Network (For real) on: April 21, 2011, 02:05:41 PM
Wouldn't shaded packages just attract attention though? As a result, contraband senders would just not label their packages as shaded. Why not make all packages shaded?
203  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Buy a mobile phone to your relative in Havana, Cuba on: April 21, 2011, 12:32:48 PM
I have a new, unused mobile phone. I'm willing to sell it for some BTC. If you or your friend have a relative in Havana and want to send him/her the phone as a present, just let me know.

Please PM if you're insterested.

żBoca floja?
204  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ways for governments to ruin Bitcoin on: April 21, 2011, 12:19:04 PM
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/DARPAs-THz-Electronics-Program-05440/#more-5440
205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Physical bitcoins, take 4 on: April 20, 2011, 11:52:13 PM
If the serial number on the paper is a public key then any client can verify that real bitcoins back up the paper. The key would have to own exactly the stated amount on the paper.

Any holder of paper can go back to the issuing institution and "transfer" the value to a new piece of paper with a new key on it. The holder can verify that the transaction went through on the real bitcoin side. This action would render any "duplicate" pieces of paper useless because if they now check their keys there is no value behind them. It would take a real juggling act for the issuing institution to keep any fraud from showing.

It wouldn't take too many people regularly checking their paper bitcoin to ensure the issuing institution is backing the paper with 100% real bitcoin.
The only risk is that the issuer might assign a certain amount of bitcoins to more than one bill.

Is there really an invisible ink that lasts forever (or for years at least) and absolutely cannot be revealed by any method that doesn't render it permanently visible? If so, I suppose that works. The issuer wouldn't even need to retain his own ability to access deposits, if he was willing to let some bitcoins be potentially lost forever. If not, then the idea doesn't work, no matter how cool it would be.
I'm confident that a concerted engineering effort will yield a secure, redeemable bitcoin note whether or not it employs invisible ink.

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I'm wary of any attempt to make notes self-redeeming, because it is basically DRM---you are giving out the keys to the vault in an obscured form, so that people can only use them in the way you would like. We all know how well this has worked for software and movies.
It's not DRM because the holder of the note because beyond what would be a simple process of redeeming the note, the users would have the bitcoins in electronic form with which to do whatever they want.

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I'm smart enough to know I'm not the smartest man on the planet---and whatever scheme I come up with for hiding private keys, one of those smarter men will find a way to reveal them without voiding the note. If he's smart enough to keep his mouth shut, he could do this for years before anyone even notices there's a problem. It would be negligent of me as a guardian of deposits to leave them vulnerable like that.
That's why the issuer would recall the notes on a scheduled basis and issue new ones with different technology. Cheaters wouldn't be able to keep up.

Paper currency has its vulnerabilities, but it has its benefits too. Some might find that the latter outweighs the former.

And even the private key could be micro-etched onto a thin piece of metal imbedded into the plastic, so that the holder of the plastic token could tear it apart to get at the private key.
A strip of mylar would probably due. Makes me think of fortune cookies.
206  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Courier Network (For real) on: April 20, 2011, 09:17:05 PM
What we need is a strong leader to make the courier network run on time.
Who else but Megatron?
207  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Courier Network (For real) on: April 20, 2011, 08:31:03 PM
when you say reliability, are you talking about timeliness specifically?  If so, perhaps the runner can designate a delivery schedule (available weekends, tuesdays after 8pm) kinda thing so everybody knows what sort of time-frame all the links in the chain are running on.  If the package needs to be delivered to the next runner or the destination before this runner can deliver it based on their schedule, they're opted out of the "delivery available" message all together. 

Likewise, if they agree to run a package and are late circumstantially, a negative mark should be considered.  If a theft occurs by a runner, the account will essentially self-destruct, and their deposit (if applicable) should be either given to seller, buyer, or donated to a fund to be voted on by the two.   At this point, criminal proceedings may occur.
I guess it's a semantic thing. Labeling people as untrustworthy when that isn't really the case doesn't sit well with me.

Yeah, but how would you do that with robots?
The same way, except the runners would be robots managed by an operator.
208  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Courier Network (For real) on: April 20, 2011, 07:53:58 PM
Also, in addition to tracking trust, I think the system should also track reliability separately. A perfectly trustworthy person might be late for reasons beyond his control.
209  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Physical bitcoins, take 4 on: April 20, 2011, 07:51:34 PM
I somehow don't expect that a bitcoin-backed paper currency (even if 100% backed) will ever succeed.

However, I'll give it a go.  Let's start with one-time paper currency.  i.e. it is issued by some "bank" and, at it's first use, the paper is destroyed and the value it represents is received by the seller of goods.

First, we'll need some widespread smart-phone software which can recognise those two-dimensional barcodes (what are they called - QR codes, right?).  Next we'll need some double-layered paper, with the top layer being transparent.  Now, you send some bitcoins to a bitcoin address.  The private key, as a QR code, is printed on the lower layer of paper.  The address, also a QR code  (but a special one), is printed on the upper layer, directly on top of the lower QR code, but here's the cute bit: you're actually seeing a mix of both QR codes together.  So what you need, is that both QR codes, seen together, represent the public bitcoin address, but you can't tell which part of the pattern belongs to the which QR code.  You scan this with your smartphone, your smartphone checks out the bitcoin block explorer and verifies the value at that address.  You accept the paper as payment, tear off the top layer, scan in the private key and immediately transfer the bitcoins to your address.

Of course, as long as people are willing to trust that the issuing bank has either deleted all the private keys in these paper notes, or will not sneakily transfer the bitcoins out, then there's no actual need to tear off the top layer, and so, the note can be re-used.

Any good?
I had thought of notes that one could peel to reveal a private key and while also voiding the bill, kind of like those stickers on PlayStation 2's. But they require glue which one can defeat with heat. Now, if the note was designed such that one would have to tear it to redeem it, that would be the best way to go.
210  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Courier Network (For real) on: April 20, 2011, 07:44:01 PM
Drone operators could participate in BitDrop too, no?
211  Economy / Economics / Re: The value spike... c'mon, you all noticed it! on: April 20, 2011, 05:31:28 PM
Do any of the mining profitability calculators take into account the ability to buy new hardware when it comes out?
212  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Physical bitcoins, take 4 on: April 20, 2011, 05:22:14 PM
As for expiration dates, you people are far more accepting of the idea than I would have guessed. Of course they'd have to be both prominently written and easy to predict---perhaps notes could be released in batches that expire at the end of a calendar year, with "VOID AFTER DECEMBER 2013" written in large print on the reverse. The revenue from unredeemed notes would easily make up the printing costs--if we assume each note costs 0.1 BTC to print, a single unredeemed 50 BTC note would cover the cost of 500 notes printed. Given the amount of cash destroyed in every year, not to mention the number of people who can't manage to mail in a $100 rebate form, issuing cash could be very profitable indeed.
I'm comfortable with expiration dates as long as I don't have to even contact the issuer to redeem the note. That's why I like having a private key hidden on each note and I'd have to void the note to read it.
213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Physical bitcoins, take 4 on: April 20, 2011, 04:06:31 PM
The fractional reserve idea, the central-issuer idea, isn't that what people interested in BTC are trying to move away from?
Because of Bitcoin's technology, you can expect greater transparency from a bitcoin note issuer than you can from an issuer of notes that represent anything else. There's no block chain for gold.
214  Other / Off-topic / Split from Silkroad topic on: April 20, 2011, 02:50:08 PM
To clarify, we should go after people who do certain things, not think certain things.
215  Other / Off-topic / Split from Silkroad topic on: April 20, 2011, 02:40:06 PM
Censorship won't ever get rid of CP. Hunting down and destroying people who harm children is another story though. Silk Road helps people circumvent governmental exploitation, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to think that they might help prevent the exploitation of children. I think the people at Silk Road should affect justice whenever they can. Shouldn't we all?
216  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Physical bitcoins, take 4 on: April 20, 2011, 12:34:57 PM
I still like the idea of using invisible ink notes. The issuer would have a public key and private key on every note. The public key would be visible but the private key would be invisible. You'd have to void the note to reveal the private key.

I'd prefer that the notes have expiration dates. It would help to prevent counterfeiting.

I'd trust the issuer most if it was a non-profit mutual bank or something similar.
217  Other / Off-topic / Re: Default by Default on: April 19, 2011, 05:53:16 PM
As I see people here vouching for anarchy and believing on behaviors that are no longer.
Anarchists will have to defend themselves from exploitative non-anarchists. Isn't that kind of obvious?
218  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Courier Network (For real) on: April 19, 2011, 12:29:48 AM
It would behoove the service's operators to have a few pilots ready to take control of bots that find themselves unable to negotiate a given circumstance.
219  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Courier Network (For real) on: April 18, 2011, 11:47:33 PM
If the bots are going to propel themselves through the air in an urban or suburban environment, a quadricopter platform would work best. But for the most utility, I'd recommend something similar to a Harrier or Osprey like setup, but using at least four ducted propellers, thereby allowing the bots as much range and landing sites as possible.

I think this story is relevant: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/12/how-a-rc-airplane-buzzed-the-statue-of-liberty-with-no-arrests.ars
220  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: More divisibility required - move the decimal point on: April 18, 2011, 09:04:53 PM
What fractions in particular? Father McGruder mentioned decimalised inches, which would be 2.54mm for 1/10th of an inch, and seems fairly useless to me.

He's not talking about conversion from AS to Metric, but about the division of an inch into hundredths.  At least that is what I thought that he was talking about.
I have a pair of calipers at work that goes to thousandths of an inch. I think you need a micrometer to get any more precise. I recall having to machine something down to a ten thousandths of an inch tolerance in a class once.
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