You are absolutely right that Storage isn't mature enough to allow renewable sources to cater to base load requirements on their own. That is why we still need Coal/Gas fired plants. Yet, I meant it in a developing country context that why these parallel targets are necessary.

This is an on-going debate in India. Power equipment manufacturers have their order-books spread thin as Govt. has slowed down funding for conventional power plants owing to their climate change commitments. I believe USA under Trump pulled out of the agreement to safeguard mining, automobile jobs. Its much tougher for India to do so.

The problem with India and China is the sheer concentration of humanity here. The detrimental health effects are proving to be a huge healthcare cost in Indian cities. Indian planners have to balance between the need for additional power against the environmental/healthcare costs of going ballastic on conventional power plants.
Like I said earlier, Indian plants are more polluting compared to the well-managed power plants that Jet Cash is mentioning. The coal quality is low with a higher sulphur content, lower calorific value resulting in higher ash content. Compared to western/ European plants, few have Desulpharization or Catalyitc converters to take care of SOX/ NOX (Which as Carlton pointed out have severe immediate health effects). Investments in this direction have just started and that too is big business. Hope you can see why parallel renewable targets are important for a country like India.

That reply was more towards Fish as he pointed out carbon footprint of manufacturing solar panels and batteries, and then you said, "I agree that batteries"..Well.. LOL..You are right about the need for a middle path here. (Better management of conventional plants). I am not on the Climate change denial side which I guess even you are not, though it seemed to me that you are because of "Solar isn't renewable".

We probably disagree on the reasons and the ways to mitigate that. (Let me know if am judging this correctly.)
For the dilemma on science, when it is not known who is right, maybe we could look at the motivations. Those who deny climate change typically belong to the established coal, petroleum, automobile industries. It is but natural that they don't want anything to eat into their substantial profits. I feel that the renewable supporters (not the renewables industry) are the under-dogs here.

We have sufficient non-arable land to cover with Solar panels that will not lead to the affects that you are concerned about. In India, there are plans to install solar panels along railway tracks. There has already been efforts to use Water Canals for this purpose. Even train coaches with solar panels installed on roofs to cater to Lighting usage. So, Allow me to say that for incremental improvements, space is not the constraint.

Then again, most city-based pollution comes from automobiles. Consumer level actions like Roof-installed solar panels, battery vehicles can go a long way in reducing pollution in cities. Isn't that a desirable action? If someone denies it by saying that CO2 isn't that bad, which side should I err towards?

They aren't. Even with the best managed power plants, the CO2 emission levels range from 750 gm to 1000 gm per KWh. Coal-fired generators are going to be hard to replace simply because of the night-time availability issue with Solar power. Even then, it is prudent to use Solar power when you can.
Solar power generation effectively has zero emissions while Coal fired plants have to deal with SOX, NOX, PM too. This may not be a huge issue in developed countries but in developing countries like China and India, steps have just been started to manage these other emissions. Hence, Parallel targets of solar energy are desirable.

It is hard to say this to you JetCash, but that sounds pretty stupid. How is installation of Solar Panels on barren desert stretches going to deprive plants or trees of sunlight? 
For all practical purposes, Sunlight is a renewable source of energy as it is always being replenished unlike Coal/ Petroleum.

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The argument about "Manufacturing of Solar Panels and Batteries" adding to CO2 emissions is on thin ground too. The manufacturing process for Power plant equipment isn't too environment-friendly either. I have not seen a comparative study of the two but if you simply consider the diversity of equipment needed to construct a Coal-fired thermal plant to a Solar plant, there is no comparison. Beginning from Humungous concrete foundations to the Millions of tonnes of support structure and Steel-alloys , the manufacturing process for Thermal plants is no less CO2 heavy.

About Rare earth, I agree that we wouldn't have Central Africa so fucked up if it wasn't for rare earth materials. But then, we wouldn't have the Gulf wars and Middle-East wouldn't be constantly on boil if it wasn't for Petroleum.

You can be sure that there isn't much of a chance for that. Research publication and its control is one of the most profitable businesses in the world. I think you will appreciate this piece from "The Guardian" (which I guess has a reputation of its own).
Business of scientific publishing bad for Science? Source: The Guardian

These days there is a lack of diversification of opinions we hold as individuals. In the book Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari, he says that the ability to hold two conflicting beliefs; Cognitive Dissonance has lead to much of innovation and progress in Human society. In today's age of targeted ads and AI recommendations from Google and Youtube, we are fed our own world-views on loop, strengthening these stupid lines of Left-Liberal vs Conservatives further and further. As people on both sides keep losing the ability to hold flexible, conflicting beliefs, the possibility of arriving at a compromise in order to target the real problems keeps getting distant.

Maybe, As individuals, we all need to decide on the basis of common sense rather than Scientific data. Like if I have an option to utilize a non-carbon source of energy which is cheaper too, Why shouldn't I? Why should I go into the debate of Climate-change alarmists versus Carbon 'Faminists'.

When it comes to bitcoin; anything that is obscure, hard to understand and brings people together in its pursuit has always been valuable. So regulations or not, it should remain valuable. So Stack'em Sats!

Does it matter to them figmentofMA if we give them credit or not? It doesn't change the fact that they are the one authorized to use batons, tap your communication and knock down doors. For people to run viable businesses on BTC or be their customers, they will all have to be on the right side of the law.
Nobody wants to do a business constantly looking over their shoulder. Of course a lot of people do just that but that isn't sustainable in the long run. Can BTC remain a currency which is only for the dare-devils who can hide themselves behind dead-ends?

I empathize with your frustration OP. However incoherently it may have been expressed, I understand and hear you.. ...

Most people who heard about Bitcoin in 2017-18, heard about it because of the stories of insane returns and 10X ICOs and free tokens. The intelligent amongst us realized quite early that you have to flip to fiat or BTC as soon as the scammy ICOs turned a profit. This category of people made a lot of money.
Sadly, A lot of us (including me) were awed by the promise of "Blockchain Technology" and ended up "believing" in the vision of some of these "World-computers" and "Smart contracts for Decentralized Finance" and all that shit... ..

I feel amused more than scammed that the idealist in me fell for these tech promises. Maybe I am amused because it wasn't really the idealist but the wannabe "investor" who secretly thought "Ahaaa..Here is the next "Apple/ Google" that I am "investing" in, (Smart Investor Me) that nobody else knows about. Now I just gotta wait till it explodes and I'll have my own story of 'trials and tribulations and being a visionary'.."
As shills and TG groups and Binance trading took over, we realized that it was not the technology but the bag-holding and bag-dumping at the right time that mattered most..

Now most people have realized that it is going to be just BTC. Most of what these "revolutionary" ICOs/ Alts boast of doing can be and will be done on BTC or BTC Sidechains at some point of time. The Alts will mostly die out retaining value only as long as the respective "Teams" have cash to burn or cash to raise from their own echo-chamber communities. So any of you hopefuls out there still searching for these "pearls" in the barren landscape of Alts, Do yourself a favor and realize that it has been picked clean.

The cycle of big BTC holders buying Alts leading to a push in their value so that the smaller "investors" can flip a profit is gone.

The present cycle has "smart ICO scammers" making up fluffy stuff that the "small investors" will buy up. They can then keep the money while the same "small investors" shill it for them. The "Devs" will just wind up shop and you will be left thinking, "Ohh well, at least i tried"..
This is all bewildering because it is all Legendarily-Fucked up..(It is only you who thinks it is actually the short form for L-UCKED UP..)

So, the best advice for people like OP and myself would be from majgul above:


Do some work or suck it up is that "its about bag-holding AND bag-dumping at the right time." Or else, Just stick to the Big Daddy, BTC.

Very well done Heisenberg. I am sorry I was busy the last few days and couldn't respond. The technical and Gambling section is something I am interested in and the guide was great.
Some recommendations:

1. Include list of trustworthy Indian-specific LBC traders you or someone else has personally traded with.
2. In the Gambling section, you could include the links for discussions on ODI, Test, Indian Sports for a starting point to Indians:
Pro Kabaddi league discussion
Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion

Great start.
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Apart from the ones i listed above, there are around 15 more games planned and under development. You are right that its a small number and everything related to blockchain is mostly considered hype.
Yet, for the Indie developers, this also promises a different mode of gaining traction as well as funding. The revenue model utilizing what they call blockchain "Game-assets" is also a novel approach. I hope not all people will write-off these small experiments so easily.

Appointing a mod now seems more like a matter of getting Theymos' attention..

We also need to figure out how we can make the community active and worthy here. As a mod, I think it'll be much easier to organize the Child Boards. Weed out the unnecessary clutter, especially in the translation sections.

As of now, the regulatory framework is in a grey area so it is understandable that a lot of old people/ HODLers have gone inactive. Yet, we can create and outreach and make the India-sub a welcoming, informative as well as a sincere, authentic source of local information for newcomers.

For example, Someone like legendster and JSRAW could be the outreach for freelancing and work opportunities.

Heisenberg is delving into the technical and dev part and he could provide an outreach for interested developers. Dishwara seems to be pretty busy.

Deadley has been an old community/ campaign manager.

Then of course we need our local spam-busters and Scam-identifiers too.

We also have a host of CA's and Lawyers who bob their heads here and there at times.

We have a great group building out here. If Theymos took note, things can become a lot more organized and the India-sub could regain its true potential.

Please consider re-posting part of the article here at the forum itself or atleast sharing facts and opinion regarding the topic here only.

A lot of people don't bother to go over to the blog (Some of them may even be behind firewalls).

 If you have useful info to share on this important topic, we'd all be ears and would be glad to send a few merits your way. Thanks!

I concur that Heisenberg as Mod would be great.

A new Mod would be nice to have but what we really need is some more initiative. Great to see people getting enthusiastic towards the board.

I do wish some of the older, well-meaning people would come around. Benson is one name. Who else do you guys know?
From the older generation, I think we only have legendster being active enough.. (Older generation...lol..)

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Welcome Sujoris. You have an old account but seems like you gave up on the forum for sometime. I can understand that this may have happened after the Merit thing happened.
Yet, It'd be great if you can be more active and just create content. Maybe something India-centric. The forum has a lot of potential and it is up to each one of us to make the best use of it. If for nothing else, then for interactions that can pave way for real engagements in the future.

Each person working in his capacity sincerely and trying yo be better is an asset to community and to the decentralized economy.

The issue was 3 years old. You did some silly stuff in order to bag a freelancing job.
The years around 2010 were the boom time in India for institutions training people in Multimedia and 3D-Animation.I used to see a lot of banners from Arena Multimedia and was always interested in them. I got hooked to 3-D for a brief time in 2007-08 when i installed trial version of 3DSMAX from a DVD accompanying a computer magazine. (Chip/ Digit; Those were the days). Made a few models. One of which was a half complete human head and it still has a place of pride in my twitter background image..LoL.. Well, It all ended as I had a different career path.

I can understand someone like legendster trying to work his way up using the internet and torrented tutorials to learn stuff. I really wish he hadn't done that mistake of passing off someone else's work as his. He defended it initially being the typical "Jugaadu" Indian guy trying to get a foot through the door. Yet, He has accepted it over time that his work ethic and moral compass wasn't really in the right place.

This kind of stuff happens in India. Students copy their assignments and project works. Their are whole institutes that will train you for 3 months on different projects and give you a CV showing a 3 year experience. None of it is right. Yet, someone like him could have fell for this mistake trying to get a hustle going. That is what exactly happened.

This has already been judged by Suchmoon to be worthy of a neutral remark. A negative trust rating is supposed to be reserved if you have proof or reference of having been duped monetarily in a transaction. That is not present in this case and that is why the neutral rating.

I don't see what is there to explain. Yet, it'd be great if you can use this experience to tell more people in the India-sub to follow work ethic and guidelines. In foreign universities, every course starts with a set of guidelines titled something like "Ethics for CS50". You can see this even on MOOC websites. This is proof that people everywhere have struggled with the moral questions that such cases brings out. They have learnt from them and worked to stem the decline. I hope this is what we as a community can learn and follow from this 3 year old example.

If it is the report by the company named Elliptic you are talking about, I don't think that 2% figure is to be taken seriously. In the report, they said 71% transactions were "unclasified", that is, they had no idea where to put them.

There are two sides to this. There are people who would say, with enough precaution, you can do what you want by making yourself anonymous, hiding behind VPN etc etc. Yet, time and again, haven't we seen that if enough time is spent by them, the authorities do get to even the most well hidden entities?

Then there are some who think that regulation are inevitable or even necessary for mass adoption.

This is probably going to be the biggest debate of this century as technologies like AI, Machine Learning, Genetic modification etc get perfected and it becomes imperative for us to consider the moral and ethical consequences of technology and unhindered privacy.

Well, well. I am surprised that people don't already know about it. LOL.

Crytpo integration into games has been going on for a long time gentlemand. You are right though that it is not the gaming behemoths who are doing it. The integration has happened in terms of usage of crypto as in-game currency as well as using the blockchain itself for the gaming mechanics.
I am sure a lot of people have heard about EOS Knights. Its a shitty RPG with shitty graphics but a lot of people have been making EOS selling in-game items there. Like everything else in crypto, it is heavily tilted towards the early adopters than the better gamers.

The best in-game integration that I have yet seen is with Enjin. They even have their own minecraft server. There already have been games launched where you can actually earn blockchain items that look beautiful on their wallet. They use an ethereum standard called as ERC-1155 which is different from ERC-20 and ERC-721 (that cryptokitties used).

They already have a bunch of games out including:
1. A dungeon crawler: Forgotten Artifacts
2. A space shooter MMORPG: Space Misfits
3. There is a crypto puzzle game with an in-game reward of 20 BTC, Age of Rust. The alpha isn't out yet i think. It started here at the forum years ago and I believe has grown really well.
4. A PVP RPG 9Lives Arena

I am a BTC believer when it comes to cryptocurrency. In gaming, I find Enjin really credible. If you have even a slight bit interest in gaming, I encourage you to try some of their games.

Looking forward to the initiative you are planning to bring in pawan.

Those communities are huge and people have connected over a long time. I think this also has a lot to do with our work ethic as Indians. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people are wary of directly associating themselves here.
We also need a few path-breakers from the initial days. Benson was a decent guy of course but I think he is yet to recover from the backstabbing he got from that phD guy who had the private keys.

Its about trust and integrity. It is sad that we as a creed of men have become so morally bankrupt that one man cannot trust another man. This lack of trust and integrity seeps into all walks of life. Even if someone is doing something good, there will be a few people always trying to pull them down.

Yet, for all the gloom, let us hope for the best. I am sure there are a few bad apples everywhere, in every nationality and community. With certain laid down principles and good examples, we can all be better together.

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You are right that the merit giveaway threads have mostly gone cold. I quoted it from an old post of mine. Seems like merit distribution is no longer much of an issue, especially for good Indian posters.
Yet, if we ever have an influx of deserving people who aren't getting them, this post can serve as a source of merit for them.

Thanks to those of you chipping in for giving out merits. Lets wait.

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2. Meaningful discussion regarding prospects/ intiatives of blockchain in India.
3. It'd be preferable not to have a post history comprising solely of Alt-bounties etc.
4. Posts that are more than 1 to 3-sentence conversation fillers.
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