I just purchased 4 of these. I want to judge them against bitmain apw3++ myrig avalon sorceror |
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my defense of gpus is my belief that knocking off millions gpus as a mining possibility is bad for crypto coins . Not for me.
And on that I agree with you. But we are moving away from that now that Crypto (especially Bitcoin) is becoming mainstream and actually quite relevant in society as a whole. I do believe that the way forward is to commoditize Bitcoin mining into appliances and other forms of electrical "subsidies" for consumers. Honestly, that is really the most plausible route to decentralized mining that I can if that is what we're aiming at. But I digress, right now we are in the sweet spot of Bitcoin mining (regardless of what people say about profitability etc). The mining curve vs. Adoption rate (growth) is at its peak right now. After this, price growth will flatten out, and mining profitability will shrink after the next halvening enough so that by the time 7nm chips become mainstream, it probably won't be fun to have a dedicated mining facility anymore. yeah buy a tv with a miner built in to it at a premium it then pays you back somewhat like an exotic rebate. or buy a tv without a miner it is cheaper but never pays back. say 1000 and earn 10 a month or 800 and earn 0 it is a 20 month roi. Still creates mainstream. Get a cable box with a miner get a cable box with out a miner. ideas like this would be possible. I was reading avalon stock prospectus Note 2018 second half development of ai quoted from page 2 "System Products for Other Cryptocurrencies We currently have an ASIC product for a cryptocurrency other than bitcoin under research and development, for which we have completed front-end IC design, and expect mass production of final products in the fourth quarter of 2018. As of the Latest Practicable Date, we had received pre-sale orders of over RMB53.6 million, subject to the successful test of prototypes. We will continue to develop different types of ASICs to address potential market demand for products with high performance and repeated computing power that can be used for other types of cryptocurrencies that require high computing power. We began to develop ASICs for AI applications in 2016, and plan to mass produce chips for edge computing, which are known as KPUs, in the fourth quarter of 2018. Target applications include voice and image recognition functionalities in smart home, smart city, smart surveillance, smart toy, and several IoT applications. As of the Latest Practicable Date, we had received pre-sale orders from a variety of customers in a provisional amount of approximately RMB38.2 million in the aggregate, with the actual purchase amount to be adjusted with reference to the then market price of the products after the prototypes have been successfully tested." quoted from page 7 "Our future revenue growth, if any, will depend largely on our ability to expand beyond bitcoin mining application and penetrate into new application markets, particularly those ASIC application markets with demand for high performance and computing power or for other types of cryptocurrencies or AI products, all of which are still under development. Each of these markets presents distinct and substantial risks; and • Our customers and suppliers are based globally, and an increasing portion of our revenues have been derived from sales to customers outside the PRC. As such, changes in government policies, taxes, general economic and fiscal conditions, as well as political, diplomatic or social events expose us to financial and business risks. In particular, changes in policies and laws regarding holding, using or mining of bitcoins could result in an adverse effect on our business operations and our results of operations. Moreover, if any domestic or international jurisdiction where we operate or sell our products prohibits or restricts bitcoin mining activities, we may experience material loss of revenue" Looks like they may abandon or shift from mining gear seems like avalon is looking to do more then just sell miners for the asics. |
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I've been using ZPOOL / ahashpool to get payouts in btc. How do you determine what coin you're cards are best suited to mine? Do you look at the actual 24 hours column at all?  edit: pasted wrong picture first time. Just use Nemosminer or Sniffdog and let the sw do the switching for you. Are either of those miners in SMOS ? I think they are windows based . |
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I just read part of Avalon's public prospectus last night. Seems they want to do more then build sha-256 miners Note 2018 second half development of ai quoted from page 2 "System Products for Other Cryptocurrencies We currently have an ASIC product for a cryptocurrency other than bitcoin under research and development, for which we have completed front-end IC design, and expect mass production of final products in the fourth quarter of 2018. As of the Latest Practicable Date, we had received pre-sale orders of over RMB53.6 million, subject to the successful test of prototypes. We will continue to develop different types of ASICs to address potential market demand for products with high performance and repeated computing power that can be used for other types of cryptocurrencies that require high computing power. We began to develop ASICs for AI applications in 2016, and plan to mass produce chips for edge computing, which are known as KPUs, in the fourth quarter of 2018. Target applications include voice and image recognition functionalities in smart home, smart city, smart surveillance, smart toy, and several IoT applications. As of the Latest Practicable Date, we had received pre-sale orders from a variety of customers in a provisional amount of approximately RMB38.2 million in the aggregate, with the actual purchase amount to be adjusted with reference to the then market price of the products after the prototypes have been successfully tested." quoted from page 7 "Our future revenue growth, if any, will depend largely on our ability to expand beyond bitcoin mining application and penetrate into new application markets, particularly those ASIC application markets with demand for high performance and computing power or for other types of cryptocurrencies or AI products, all of which are still under development. Each of these markets presents distinct and substantial risks; and • Our customers and suppliers are based globally, and an increasing portion of our revenues have been derived from sales to customers outside the PRC. As such, changes in government policies, taxes, general economic and fiscal conditions, as well as political, diplomatic or social events expose us to financial and business risks. In particular, changes in policies and laws regarding holding, using or mining of bitcoins could result in an adverse effect on our business operations and our results of operations. Moreover, if any domestic or international jurisdiction where we operate or sell our products prohibits or restricts bitcoin mining activities, we may experience material loss of revenue" Looks like they may abandon or shift from mining gear I will be reading more of it today. |
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what kind of results can one expect? we talking 50watt or 5 ?
Sorry found answer in original thread.
I am going to ping phil to give it a whirl since I know he has a few L3+. Sadly all miner are in a hosting facility except for one lonely s9 that is pos and been in warranty 5 times. But the OP thread it was 600w vw 800w so that is a 20% saving. Just got a pm to read this I have multiple L3+ with the undervolt tool using just the jstefanop tool on freq 359 hash rate of 470 I do 667 watts with minimum volts on all 4 boards. using a corsair ax1500i titanium this is a savings of over 100 watts. So my first question is can this scrypt use a lower volt setting then 0xfe? .. Thanks for checking in. No, unfortunately 0xfe equals 254 and ist the highest undervolting you can set. If you have 4x 0xfe set, there is nothing more you can do to save on energy (except lowering frequency further), this script doesn't help you then as it is about to find the highest undervolting setting where you miners still work reliably. You could however get possibly more hashes/W if you increase the frequency to the point where you still can run them with 0xfe on all or most blades. I will play with this during the week. |
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what kind of results can one expect? we talking 50watt or 5 ?
Sorry found answer in original thread.
I am going to ping phil to give it a whirl since I know he has a few L3+. Sadly all miner are in a hosting facility except for one lonely s9 that is pos and been in warranty 5 times. But the OP thread it was 600w vw 800w so that is a 20% saving. Just got a pm to read this I have multiple L3+ with the undervolt tool using just the jstefanop tool on freq 359 hash rate of 470 I do 667 watts with minimum volts on all 4 boards. using a corsair ax1500i titanium this is a savings of over 100 watts. So my first question is can this scrypt use a lower volt setting then 0xfe? here is a 3 board unit with voltage tool Last login: Tue May 8 10:15:16 on ttys000 philsbeasts-Pro:~ philsbeast$ scp /Users/philsbeast/Downloads/set_voltage root@192.168.0.190:/config The authenticity of host '192.168.0.190 (192.168.0.190)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is d8:dc:52:5e:0a:c2:63:55:f1:af:3d:ed:7c:4f:e1:ec. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes Warning: Permanently added '192.168.0.190' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. root@192.168.0.190's password: set_voltage 100% 9204 9.0KB/s 00:00 philsbeasts-Pro:~ philsbeast$ ssh root@192.168.0.190root@192.168.0.190's password: root@antMinerTwo2L3:~# cd /config root@antMinerTwo2L3:/config# ./set_voltage 1fe Incorrect arguments Usage: ./set_voltage [chain# 1-4] [voltage in hex] root@antMinerTwo2L3:/config# ./set_voltage 1 fe version = 0x03 reading voltage voltage = 0x80 setting voltage reading voltage voltage = 0xfe Success: Voltage updated! root@antMinerTwo2L3:/config# ./set_voltage 2 fe version = 0x00 Wrong PIC version root@antMinerTwo2L3:/config# ./set_voltage 3 fe version = 0x03 reading voltage voltage = 0x80 setting voltage reading voltage voltage = 0xfe Success: Voltage updated! root@antMinerTwo2L3:/config# root@antMinerTwo2L3:/config# ./set_voltage 4 fe version = 0x03 reading voltage voltage = 0x80 setting voltage reading voltage voltage = 0xfe Success: Voltage updated! root@antMinerTwo2L3:/config# full size https://i.imgur.com/YNrG63r.pngso after days no Hw's to speak of. this is manual tuned to lowest volts on the tool and I use freq 359 since it gave me almost no errors  |
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Note 2018 second half development of ai quoted from page 2 "System Products for Other Cryptocurrencies We currently have an ASIC product for a cryptocurrency other than bitcoin under research and development, for which we have completed front-end IC design, and expect mass production of final products in the fourth quarter of 2018. As of the Latest Practicable Date, we had received pre-sale orders of over RMB53.6 million, subject to the successful test of prototypes. We will continue to develop different types of ASICs to address potential market demand for products with high performance and repeated computing power that can be used for other types of cryptocurrencies that require high computing power. We began to develop ASICs for AI applications in 2016, and plan to mass produce chips for edge computing, which are known as KPUs, in the fourth quarter of 2018. Target applications include voice and image recognition functionalities in smart home, smart city, smart surveillance, smart toy, and several IoT applications. As of the Latest Practicable Date, we had received pre-sale orders from a variety of customers in a provisional amount of approximately RMB38.2 million in the aggregate, with the actual purchase amount to be adjusted with reference to the then market price of the products after the prototypes have been successfully tested." quoted from page 7 "Our future revenue growth, if any, will depend largely on our ability to expand beyond bitcoin mining application and penetrate into new application markets, particularly those ASIC application markets with demand for high performance and computing power or for other types of cryptocurrencies or AI products, all of which are still under development. Each of these markets presents distinct and substantial risks; and • Our customers and suppliers are based globally, and an increasing portion of our revenues have been derived from sales to customers outside the PRC. As such, changes in government policies, taxes, general economic and fiscal conditions, as well as political, diplomatic or social events expose us to financial and business risks. In particular, changes in policies and laws regarding holding, using or mining of bitcoins could result in an adverse effect on our business operations and our results of operations. Moreover, if any domestic or international jurisdiction where we operate or sell our products prohibits or restricts bitcoin mining activities, we may experience material loss of revenue" Looks like they may abandon or shift from mining gear |
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@ op
this is the rental on nice-hash
S #1963886 this is the order number
0.7638 0.01 11 0.0116
0.10
Remaining
0.00055772 BTC
Estimated time
~0d 1h 30m
it is for solo mining I hit the block I will toss you coins
since I spent 0.005 btc my odds to hit are small
it is for LTC so there are 25 ltc in a block
While I very much appreciate the gesture, please keep the coins... My worldview keeps me from accepting gifts like that, as I still have a roof over my head, food to eat, and the will to work. I have a bit of a complex in knowing I earned and bought every coin I had. Eventually I suspect I’ll begin building again and there’s something to that pride of perspective, good or bad. Thank you though! Okay I cancelled the order. |
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@ op
this is the rental on nice-hash
S #1963886 this is the order number
0.7638 0.01 11 0.0116
0.10
Remaining
0.00055772 BTC
Estimated time
~0d 1h 30m
it is for solo mining I hit the block I will toss you coins
since I spent 0.005 btc my odds to hit are small
it is for LTC so there are 25 ltc in a block
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Welcome to thread 8!
Personally not looking at ASICs still. Keeping a close eye on the fpga conversations. For now still mining with
14x RX570
6x Vega56@64
5x GTX 1080
...and helping friends to manage their rigs (similar constellations to the above).
If I expanded anything currently it would be more RX570's or fpga's if they became a thing... and if so would probably be ready to go in big.
I think buying ASICs now is still a sh*t trade. Bitmain & co only sell their product when profitability is falling. As Phil already mentioned several times, get the first batch and you might make money. Get the second and you'll barely break even. Get the third... and you lose.
I liked gpus due to long warranty and with the solar array profit becomes pretty much certain. Asics don't have good warranty service which makes another risk for me. I will start my efforts at power finding good gear that works and does not kill power. Since I run 30 amp 240 pdus. 1300 watt miner x 4 = 5200 watt or good gear. So the Halong t1 on low setting = under 1300 watt the avalon 841 on low clocks = under 1200 watts the s9 is tricky the s9i is possible to go under 130 watts gpu rigs I want under 1000 watts if I use atx the corsair rm1000x is on refurb for 139 https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Certified-Refurbished/Power-Supplies/RMx-Series%E2%84%A2-RM1000x-%E2%80%94-1000-Watt-80-PLUS%C2%AE-Gold-Certified-Fully-Modular-PSU-%28NA%29-%28Refurbished%29/p/CP-9020094-NA/RFthey run 20% sales 2 or 3 times a year so with shipping I get these at 111.11 I don't trade much. I rather mine then sell and hodl that coin. RVN I mined and sold 8000 (iirc) I hodl 5200 if the 5200 become delisted zero value I would still have made more fiat then the power i spent to mine them. SIA I mined and sold some and sold the rig at a profit. I hodl 2000 sia if they turn to zero I would still have made more fiat then the power and the cost of the miner. BIS is my next mine and sell some hodl some. I hold cash I hold BTC I mine LTC sell and hodl. Lets face it I got back into gpus early 2016 from 1 gpu to 65 but they were rx 480s only worth 300 or so for each one. I turned everything from amd to nvidia in 2017 timing was really good. I was over 80 nvidia 1070ti 1070 1080 1080ti by Jan I 2018 I had 81 gpus When I saw I could sell them slightly over MSRP and be the best seller anywhere I sold most off. I am not hurting for cash. But I see for me and buysolar we have to expand the solar power this year. |
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I will be searching for smart asics.
WTF is a smart asic Phil?
The L3+ with the voltage software tweak from jstenfanop is a smart asic.
Multiple voltage
Multiple frequncy
Much like a gpu It allows you to keep watts lower.
I can run it at freq 359 mining 470mh and using 667 watts on a titanium psu like the corsair ax1500i
I can also do the same settings and pull 690 watts on the antminer apw3+
If I choose I can lower freq to 312 and do 406 hash using 575 watts on the evga titanium 750 which can be found on sale.
I also may go for a solar design with buysolar used to mine in the day with 2 L3+ or 1 avalon 841
Now this means 5 hours of free power on average and you have the option to use utility power or simply not mine when there is not enough daylight.
That decision would be yours but if power cost is too high you just solar mine if coins get hot you buy power from your power company. To night mine.
The 2 year warranty on the avalon 841 allows you to do this.
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Link to thread 7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2674194.0I self modded the thread. I will simply delete nasty attacks on each other about the good or bad of asics vs gpus vs fpgas. I want focus to be on how to survive the shift. Do I go all asics? Do I sell all gpus? Do I go diverse? My position is the industry needs to be widespread as possible to create demand for coins. This year I am no longer focusing on what gear to use. But how to expand my cheap reliable power. We know some people can not do this and some can. My gear today is 16x 1080tis 1rx 560 1rx 460 1 1050ti 13 moonlander usb ltc sticks 12 Antminer L3+ with jstenop low watt software. 5 Hanlong T1 3 Avalon 841 2 ⅔ S-9 https://eggpool.net/index.php?action=miner&miner=b70ba25f241b6e4a888710fa06f1fae1f6fb309954da8a5e424a1b22 |
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Cautionary Tale: I messed up. Big time. Please don’t pile on harder as I’m already sick to my stomach.
NEVER EXPOSE YOUR BTC KEYS/Seed to an forked wallet.
Two days ago, I attempted to split my BTC Diamond and BTC Private. I could not get it.
At some point, I exposed my Ledger Nano with my BTC on it, to each of their Electrum Wallets.
Last night, my wallet was emptied of ALL my BTC, 13+ coins.
Here is the transaction.
Transaction Identifier: d96a7dcd9775456e36938ed2cb84e9d0cac46fad14b8c95008ed77d08f9f8de6
Went to: 3LsvHPBGuEVLZZDUiUuNdNi33T7zmTBC7o
Here’s a signed message so you know I HAD controller of the wallet.
I’m not scamming, just utterly sick to my stomach for losing 13+ BTC.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
@TheShillBilly Twitter
I've lost all my coins. Please help ANYONE. If you stole them
Please return them! Please Please Please! RT to help...
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1QFFas4xGSy1p1Kj2ghyD6BJhVDmwWmyKb
H744TwI8rhqMHinDQdTtYiw3JGie9oC/p6XaUcPz25pzUcEoK0cakF0p1mBPZehnJk1PP8JgtEgte2OvDZXAr3g=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
It appears that I have now lost my entire life savings. I’m not begging for a handout but rather attempting to warn anyone new to the space. I’m sick to my stomach with the loss and my only hope is to gain the attention of the culprit.
If you have any space in your heart, please return the BTC. I’d accept a fraction of what was stolen. Please don’t completely bankrupt me.
I tell you what I feel your pain. So I will see if I can do something to help out. Give me a minute or two. I am sending a rental to nicehash I will post it up here I will be renting solo. If I get lucky you will get lucky. |
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This subject needs to remain on top. As a warning to greedy devs.
Sounds like GPU miners like yourself are the greedy ones? Another ASIC dog unmasked "cryptotore" Bitcointalk: Show the last topics started by this person. "Hi, I would like some help with a design to sound proof 10-20 Antminer S9's. I've been searching but havent really found any good threads on it, hope its ok I create a new one. This is my goal: -Be able to run 10-20 S9 in my garage without bothering the neigbours." "Got 6x S7 coupons valued at 0.05 BTC each available for sale. 0.025 each 0.12 for all" Why dont you go, and start and support a ASIC coin - SOB. And YES i will proudly say I am nice size GPU miner and I supported a lot of projects since 2012 with donations to devs and to list coins on exchanges. Also, as for many here mining is my hobby. I dont drink, smoke or party and money is not the most important think in my life. in blockchain i see future for better world. where a GPU owner/miner in afrika or asia could provide for his family without sale his kidney to a greedy F...k like you. WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE CRYPTO COMMUNITY, BESIDE PROFITING OF COINS, THAT OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM SUPPORTED FROM THE BEGINING? So because he mines with ASICs hes a bad person? P.S. Its actually cheaper for someone in a third world country to buy and run an ASIC than it is to build a MUCH MORE expensive GPU system that requires paying 4-5x the amount of import duties and makes less profit. Maybe you should spend less time dreaming of a better world and more time paying attention to the reality of this one. So you can proudly say you are a GPU miner even though it is meaningless at least you can pat yourself on the back. You have no fundamental grasp of how mining works yet you come here talking shit to someone with more skin in the game that you can ever afford to have. The stupidity in this thread is overwhelming. As you say "The stupidity in this thread is overwhelming" So then why are you here?? nice burn |
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Alt coin not btc.
I asked for it to be moved
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No it was not a tokamak. My Question is, how do i apply the correct firmware and get the S9 to behave normally.
you go back and read the rest of my post. there is a huge chance the psu fried the controller and you need a new controller there is a smaller chance the controller could be flashed if it is bad. the third possibility is the psu damaged 1 board and the board needs repair that is why I ask you to test the boards 1 by 1. |
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