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20341  Economy / Gambling / Re: Investing in btc casinos on: November 24, 2016, 12:35:24 PM
moneypot pays really a little now, but might be good option still

most safe i know of so far

They are not the only one who are paying low to their investors, almost all of them and it depends to their profit and amount of your investment.

So if you invested that really big bitcoin to them, then expect acceptable return from them. But if you are just investing your spare bitcoins.

Then don't expect too much, too good to be true. Those legit sites are being good and true to their investors.

Earnings from these investments are very slow but keeping some of our coins on these reputed sites will give good returns over the time. I have invested around 10% of my coins in these gambling bankrolls but so far not so bad, overall in profits.
Indeed its because you cant get your ROI in just months I guess it will last for years but the most important to that your investments are safe. But I didn't try yet to invest in any casinos.

yes i am agree, after you make deposit, then you should wait and hope that the site is not become scam because today many of site related with investment has become a scam site and run away with people's money. so try to find legit sites and make your deposit only for the free money you have so if in case the become scam, you will not be sad. and i am not yet to try to invest in casino site because i am not yet ready to loss big money.
20342  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe that win in gambling is depending on your luck ? on: November 23, 2016, 10:55:16 PM
how many people are lucky but lose,How else have no relation with luck but uses several strategy that allows them to make earnings, and also how many people have no experience in games but who make big pot, and others who uses the same strategy that worked for other people but does not work for them.
So; do you believe that earnings in gambling is depending on luck?  Huh
I believe that gambling is not depends on luck but skill and experience also, there are many people that have luck but still losing in gambling because they have no skill and experience on how to play well, I think if both luck, skill and experience have combined you can make more profit in gambling. :-D
to me luck is one of the most important factor that responsible for your win or lost in trading or in gambling, if you are lucky you do not need any skill or experience, but if you are not lucky then no one can enable you to make money in gambling.

yes it will work in gambling games, but if you are in sportsbetting you need more than luck. but i am agree with you that luck is the important thing we should have and we should watch if the luck is come to us or not. but its hard to say that our luck is come, but if we realize about it then we can win with easy.
20343  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: High bet amounts or low bet amounts? What is your style? on: November 23, 2016, 10:52:28 PM
i bet on low amounts , and pick safest choice , i know it is only give a little profit but atleast it give me some fun, and enjoy the game without afraid to get lost too much
Yep, betting with low amounts is safe and the fun lasts long lol. the profit isn't big, but at least we get to have some fun without losing huge sum. Wink

This is what I'm doing, I just bet the amount what I afford to lose. Betting small amount is the best style so far and many have been doing this. Because I tried to play with big amounts and I can say I am not that being lucky on that style, so instead of recovering my loses I changed the way I gamble and this is more effective.

i think i will not choose high bet or low bet amounts for one option and i prefer with both because i am changing my bet as i think all bet amounts, high and low, has the same chance to win. i will trying both bet that have many opportunity and could make me win the games.
20344  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To Gamble or To Invest? on: November 23, 2016, 10:48:57 PM
Talking about gambling games and internet investment, both are risk. They aren't a good option if you want real profit without danger.
If you use your money on any of them there is a high risk to don't make profit and lose part of your money. However if you want to choose one of them, choose Investment and choose a low risk one, no hyip or ponzies. Don't wait to earn income to live without work... It's just an extra.

All investment, even in the real world, come with danger. However, in internet investment, the risk is extremely high because they can just run away with your money anytime. On the other hand, the reward can be pretty insane too if you find the right investment..

i agree with you because in internet, if the investment is become to scam for people, then its hard to know the real address of the owner of investment. but if we can minimalize the risk, then i think its really worth to try to make invest. but as always, be careful and make your own research by reading many news related with investment programs.
20345  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your gambling strategy on: November 23, 2016, 10:35:17 PM
Maximize your winning by increasing your bet size/moving up in stakes only when you are ahead and winning.

Minimize your losses by decreasing your bet size/moving down in stakes when you are losing.

Always stay within your bankroll.

Double up to catch up

Scared money don't make no money.
Doubling up your bankroll is a sign of desperation, you won't be able to win in gambling if you are not discipline enough. Gambling is a very dangerous game and since we are talking of strategy we have to set up a good bankroll first.
I accept that gambling is a very dangerous online game. Here doubling our investment is very tough. And to make one good strategy first, we have to set our Bankroll. Based on this we can make a strategy. And you really play gambling to make money don't play slot games. Choose only knowledge games. These games are more profitable. My strategy is i will pick only 80+% winning games.

Yup! play sports betting instead there are a much higher possibility that you can win with it, if you are good at analyzing on sports by seeing the strength and skill of the player or a team you can most of the time win in it, and if you are good at poker because poker is a skill and luck base game there is a certain hustlers in this kind of gambling that is why you can surely win a much higher percentage.
There's a higher chance because that's what we think, but in reality we still do not have a good record yet to prove that we are successful. If you will ask me, I would be happy to lose my money in sports betting than in dice. Currently, I am down but still positive to get back on winning track.

yes in gambling we should realize that no matter good the strategy we have and use, in the ends we still be loss because the house don't want to get bankrupt and they will do their best to prevent this. but if we have a good strategy, then i think we can play with safety like after we have a win in 3 times, we should stop to playing gambling and leave the site.

for me, i don't have any strategy, i just what is in my head and i don't think too much if i can win or not, i am playing gambling with reason for win or loss.
20346  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: best alternative to bitcoins on: November 23, 2016, 10:28:06 PM
hello everyone, i would like to invest in cryptocurrencies apart from bitcoins which cryptocurrency is advisable to invest in

I think much better to check this site https://coinmarketcap.com . Look for the top 10 or top 20 coins there. Look the graph for their performance, coins in circulation and above all the market capitalization. I think this would give you an idea.
I agree with this honestly i choose almost the top 20 in coinmarket cap some of them not giving me profit but i am still holding it and wait for the right time to sell it.. This coin makes me profit before are eth and monero and i think after this few month or weeks ethereum will rise again because the price is gradually decrease they will transfer back again to ethereum..

i think its because the price of bitcoin itself is not yet in stable price for now and its need to be stable first before the altcoins can gets up again like before. but for now, i think the altcoins is up but for little price, and we should waiting for a while to see bitcoin price is going down, or going up or even its stable for now.
20347  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Would you invest in Ethereum longterm? on: November 23, 2016, 10:24:22 PM
as for the price down for now, i think its a good idea to buy eth, but i will not make it as long term, i better to make it short and when i see i can make profit with eth, i will sell it. i think eth is not good for long term but if its just to buy and sell to make profit, then its fine and i am agree. i don't think its worth to hold eth too long.
20348  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Would this be my best bet? on: November 23, 2016, 10:19:40 PM
If you want to invest for the profit purpose, I don't think that going for cloud mining is the best bet but rather you might go for another miners (I know you are not interested in setting up a farm, but going for just one miner is good) if you have cheap or free electricity. I will not say that don't mine, because if like everyone, I will say the same and if affects the mining thing and some day, people completely stop mining, then I don't think that this is, under any circumstances, in favor of bitcoin network.

i agree because for now cloud mining is really hard to make profit and the risk is always scam you in every time without you realize. i think better we build our own rig in the home, and buy a new pc with new vga then i think you can get profit with that. there is many altcoin that you can choose to mining.

genesis mining is really need long time to get ROI, i have been there before and until now, i still have my account but i only have small hashrate to i don't expecting to get much of profit, but i have already my ROI and it needs almost 10 month.
20349  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: A visual demo of blockchain on: November 23, 2016, 10:16:05 PM
its simple explain about blockchain technology and i can follow with easy. i think its a complete video and its really worth to watch for me, i think other people who watching this video in the youtube will understand too. he did a good job for this and i hope the blockchain 102 will be launch soon. thank you for sharing this video.
20350  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: how to complete one btc fast? on: November 23, 2016, 10:06:53 PM
Try selling services and get paid with bitcoins. This is probably the best and easiest way.
Another good idea is to use the signature campaigns.

selling services maybe can help to complete one btc but its still hard to do, its need time before its done and beside that we have to do many things to get work before we get paid. but if we want to open mind that there is many ways to completed the journey, then i am sure that you can found a way to completed one btc.

if you have money, then you can buy one btc completed with fast. this is what people do when they have money equal with one btc.
20351  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Beginning with bitcoin trading on: November 23, 2016, 10:01:53 PM
The bitcoin market can be analyzed in the same way as the traditional markets. Most of the times, especially in quiet periods, it behaves the same way (probably due to bots using the same algorithms).

You can try to apply your analysis for a while with a hypothetical investment and see how you do to know if it can work for you.

Correct, and I like to add that I discovered that most volatility in crypto currency happens when China Stock Exchange is open.

Yes, but Bitcoin market is still very little, so even one good news (or bad news) can change price in few hours by several percent. That's why trading Bitcoin still is high risk, even for experienced traders. For Newbies (in my opinion) it is just simply lottery Smiley

its true, but the changing price is not directly happen like what in forex. beside that, bitcoin is not depending with news in out side, maybe just a little and if we make analysis, make sure we know what is going on with the markets before we decide to buy bitcoin.
20352  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you Still believe in Fiat? on: November 23, 2016, 09:35:26 AM
As flawed as our current system is, the dependency of most everyone on fiat cannot be denied. It's hard to imagine living a day without using fiat for our daily transactions. Bitcoin, or any other crypto currency for that matter, cannot simply replace it right now. If another financial crisis happens, let us see what bitcoin's role will be and how it is going to affect its price.
of course it will be difficult for us if we do not use fiat and just rely only use bitcoin, even I think with maybe you would not be able to eat when you're just relying using bitcoin,
bitcoin will never replace fiat
How it would be difficult when you will be able to buy your food for bitcoins.

This is going to happen regardless of in which part of this world you will be living, I mean to say bitcoin is going to be mainstream of payments system around the world.

Everything will be available for bitcoin payments. Do you think still need fiats when you are able to buy everything with the bitcoins?

if this is really happen then many people will not believe in fiat again and they will moving from fiat into bitcoin and they will use bitcoin as their payment and buying something with bitcoins. maybe in this situation, the fiat will be an antique collection and it will have a high price for collected because fiat has its own history in many people from all country.
20353  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way to manage money? on: November 23, 2016, 09:15:37 AM


Yeah, there are people who are living the way they want and they are spending what they cannot afford for their lifestyle.

They always to be what's on the trend but as they spend their money, they are not managing it well. That's why I can say that I'm a good manager of my money.

I don't imitate them with their lifestyle and I just spend my money on the things that I need.

Then you can call these people as dumb, in the end they will just borrow money and will be in debt of the rest of their lives due to lack of self discipline.
you know to be rich you must have the discipline nature, you have the discipline to continue to save bitcoinmu, according to plan and the discipline to not be wasteful in the use of money, discipline is very important to you in your plan to save money
I think dicipline is not enough, we must smart also to manage our money. The best way to manage our money is invest. If you not have experiences to manage your money, you can pay fo a money consultant.

if we have much of money then its worthed if we rent consultant to help us to manage our money, but if our money is not much, then its not a good idea, better we trying to manage with ourself so anything happen is only our risk and only we that can save our money.

and you're right to say discipline is not enough and i think its really hard to do because we have to push ourself to make saving for our money and we should obey no matter the reason.
20354  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What do you do when BTC shoots up? on: November 23, 2016, 09:08:19 AM
Hi,

I'd like to know what do you think is a good strategy when BTC price shoots up and you feel it's going to come down again.
- hold on to your Bitcoin?
- Sell it for USD hoping to buy it again cheaper?
- Sell it for other crypto (in this case which would you choose)?
I will sell it if there is more chances to go down . Because it is better to do with Bitcoin instead to do nothing , Many times i made such types of buy/sell during sharp fluctuations of price and now my total profit is about above of $100 Cool

i think i don't want to sell it because maybe it just a correction for the price and we don't know for sure about this, and if i have to sell, then maybe i only sell for small amount, at least i can survive in trading and i can continue for doing trading.
20355  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: In what gambling games are you good at? on: November 23, 2016, 09:05:25 AM
What is the definition of being good at gambling? I guess when you gain profits from it, right?
SO when you see that someone is claiming he is "good at dice" because he won some high bet or had series of lucky bets, what are your reaction?
Do you really believe than aomeone can be good at totally random based games?

There is no such thing as being "good at dice", whoever is betting is just lucky. No one can be good at luck based games without hacking or exploiting, just lucky.

However, if someone is good at poker or sports betting, that's what I would consider as "good at gambling", as you need skill for those games.
Yes, someone who is good at dice was very fortunate, because a dice game is very dependent on luck. Differences with sports betting and poker. Although luck also affect but we also have to have the skill to be able to play.
There's no strategy in a game on a luck based games, and your only way to win is when you will quit directly before you lose.. But that has a big implication in your life as you will no longer have the chance to gamble again which I believe dice is a very entertaining game.
Yes it is a good way. It's better if you already get some wins should stop playing in order to keep winning.
I have never gotten advantage on a dice game, it was very difficult. But for fun dice game is very fun, just like you said.

i think it will more fun again if we can win for much of money then we can celebrate it with our friends. but as you, playing dice is not easy and its need more experience and good feeling to choose the number. and i am enjoy to play dice like you, even if i only play in my relax time.

Dice are enjoyable game in gambling and I am just losing always there but I love how the game goes for it is giving me entertainment.

I may not say that I'm good at a certain game but as long as I am enjoying it and have some winnings for it.

Then I guess that's the most important thing in my gambling career.

i agree with you, and as long as i can enjoy the game, i am fine to accepting all situation even if i am getting loss. i just continue to playing the games until my money that i've prepared before is empty in my pocket. i think it can help my bad stress with my day and i can enjoy my life with playing the games.
20356  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to play gambling in a smart way? on: November 23, 2016, 09:01:39 AM
Just follow your instict and you will be fine Smiley
And by the its a gamble we really dont know what will happen after we bet so just allow your assessment to win inside your mind and wait for the result if we are lucky enough for sure its gonna win. Nothing is needed but to wait and see just always remember to enjoy so win or lose you will find happiness with your game.
Our instinct are wrong most of the time especially in sports betting, when we see the line we grab it easily because we feel that our favorite team is going to win in the game.

Without knowing that bookmakers knows how a typical gambler reacts so they will set the line to be deceiving and make it easy for us to choose the bet but in the end we know our bets had lose.

I don't believe in my instinct too, sometimes I do trust it when I test it. Just like in dice games, when I think if the roll is going to be 51>

Then I will bet on it, but most of the time I fail with it so I just trust my own analyzing and don't lean on my instinct anymore.

Maybe I will just use this for YOLOing. But that is not the smart way though.
Me too i don't trust also my instinct because most of the time I fail with my instinct, sometimes I just won when I am not expecting it because once you expect more, the more you will hurt in the result. As they say, expect the unexpected.

neither do i, i'd rather to playing gambling with no feeling at all and just playing the games. because if i use my instinct then i will become too greedy when i see the opportunity for me its coming and its just make me loss in money. i have in this situation in the past, and i don't want this is happen in future.
20357  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 22 Hours and still 3 unconfirmed transactions - what do I do now? on: November 23, 2016, 08:57:42 AM
i think in this forum, many people is curious about the unconfirmed transaction that need too long before its complete. but for me, at least we have a record in blockchain, then the transaction will finish when its completed, no matter how long, its should be completed and don't think too much about why, how and when. just relax and take your time for another thing that will help you to get your stress out from just thinking about unconfirmed transactions. believe me, it would be completed by the time and you don't realize if its completed.
20358  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you were rich, would you still gamble? on: November 23, 2016, 08:54:42 AM
at first gambling invented for rich people's entertainment
i am into gambling for 38 years for fun and without being rich
if my wealth increase further ,i can gamble more  Grin
for me gambling is an alternative than going to a movie theater
it is like i pay a ticket to have the fun i like the most

good day to all of you !

you have another fun activity with gambling and i think you enjoy with your day. if many people will think like this, then i think they can enjoy in every time they playing gambling and don't getting rush and too greedy because the money is not our purpose but if we can win the money, why not? and if we getting loss then don't think that our luck is not work, but let it go and don't be sad. there is another day for us to make our win.
20359  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is Holding Bitcoin a long time good way to make money? on: November 23, 2016, 08:51:01 AM
According as my experience, when I was bought 15 bitcoin about 2 years ago, if I sell for now I get profit more than 500%. But I regret it, because most of my already sell a few days before halving day or 4 months ago and I only get profit not more 300%. And now, my current focus is only to collect the bitcoin and I will not sell any time soon.

not much people can reach 300% for 2 years and i think you are lucky person to see the increasing price of bitcoin and i think 300% is enough for you and now you can start to buy bitcoin or you can earning in more ways again, hold it for more than 1 years from now, then you can see that the price will be increase more than now.
20360  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Be Smart, When Investing Your Bitcoins In Various Sites on: November 23, 2016, 08:46:39 AM
I've tried investing in trading and the not so reliable gambling sites. In trading, I made little profit since I only have small amounts of BTC. Below 0.1 btc if it's your concern. I'm not smart in gambling yet, so I have a negative profit, so I wasn't really reliable to it. But I'm starting to improve everything I know about BTC

its good for you, i think 0.1 is enough to make trading and its fine if you can get little profit and i am sure if you can learn more from trading you've made, then you can make middle until big profit like pro trader. but don't follow what people said, just trust yourself and do trading. and you should stay away from gambling first, learn your trading methods and find the best methods that really work for you.
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