I had not so much as addressed you in this thread, let alone insulted you until you hurled your usual childish insults at me specifically, not once but twice.

You've no interest in intelligent discourse, if you were you'd stop hurling insults at anyone that disagrees with anything you say.

You can't even figure out what YEAR you'll ship a product and everyone else is an idiot or a retard? LOL

Perhaps you could define the word INCOMPETENT for the class?

This is just getting ridiculous.

Tom is a scammer. I don't believe he set out to scam, but he has failed to repay his investors when things fell apart and has lied about relevant facts.

Dave has helped many people get their money out of this collapsing company. I've seen zero evidence that he's stolen anything from anyone. Matter of fact he seems to have contributed his time for free to help some people get out. Can we just stick to what we know and at least give Dave the presumption of innocence unless and until we know something to the contrary?

He's working...why? Something I can help you with?

They've assembled and shipped two units confirmed. That's two units more than all other ASIC mining hardware manufacturers combined.

They're the only ones that have delivered more than just promises.

Still no order confirmation email from Avalon, but our funds were just moved from the walletbit address I paid into along with many other 75BTC payments, so that's encouraging.

http://blockchain.info/address/15Vy5wtdSbThaFByrzFhMc9ZKC69TmcVwp

Walletbit guest payment address was:

17ddqJCwj1cfFb8SxYN9iPK8AHMKvsaUJj

Apparently someone in China received an Avalon and posted pics of the actual chips. The translation is awful...sorry.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.btcman.com%2Fforum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D1304

Holy crap dude...put something in your sig to indicate your nearly unbroken streak of incorrect calls.

If you're following your own advice you must eat a whole lot of ramen noodles.

Tom was distancing himself from us lowly investors long ago. Remember when he switched from call me anytime to call Dave anytime and he will set up an appointment for you to talk to me?

Since the repeal of Glass–Steagall there's little difference. They're casinos with FDIC backing.

Nope...nothing. In fact I beleive the last time I got an email from anyone at BTCFPGA/bitcoinasic was 11 Dec 2012 sent from Dave Carlson [dave@bitcoinasic.com].

So is this a proposed criminal case or a civil suit? Of course Dave had something to do with it...he was hired by a scammer, when it went south it appeared as though he was the one sounding the alarm and warning Tom's customers to head for the hills. IE he suggested they do chargebacks rather than request refunds, presumably because he feared they'd not be repaid.

If I'm on the jury I calmly thank the plaintiff for bringing the case against Dave and then suggest the plaintiff be tossed in the can for foolishly wasting the court's time.

witch + hunt

Umm...really? That's just silly.

Dave assisted Tom by doing the job he was paid to do. When things fell apart he was the only one that got funds back to where it belonged as far as I can tell.

We all know that there's no chargeback system built into the BTC blockchain, so whether CC orders were refunded or no the BTCs paid to BTCFPGA were always at risk.

Many of the ordering problems disappear when you register with wordpress and login. Sadly I've only seen this described by customers and not by anyone associated with Avalon. The entire process is a messy minefield that wasn't explained before hand and hasn't been completely fixed even now. The near complete lack of communication is mind boggling.

Now when you say "get rid of the cc refunds" you mean to return the funds to those that paid and later requested a refund correct? Dave has maintained all along that BTC refunds were not his to administer and he was required to submit them to Tom. If that's true then what was he(Dave) supposed to do? Are you suggesting he was wrong to do his job and return funds via CC because Tom still owed BTCs? I'm as peeved about this whole thing as anyone, but I don't understand the animosity being (mis)directed at Dave. If someone has some information that indicates Dave was more than just an employee of Tom's or that Dave acted inappropriately at some point then I'd love to see it. This just comes off as a witch hunt otherwise.

Startling news indeed. Has BFL announced which fab they're using? The fab fail level is absolutely off the charts.

Please?

Dave is under no obligation to work on our behalf and has not been for some while now.

Excellent idea, I will make it so.

ASICs are kind of a big deal for BTC mining and therefore BTC in general so I don't think it's much of a surprise that interest is huge or that questions are being raised from many vectors.

That is how my status looks as well doggie. Order history says "refund requested" details for the order say payment address requested. I believe this was Dave's doing before he left, I'm sure he will correct me if I'm mistaken. Upon seeing this I immediately sent a BTC repayment address(the same one I paid with) to BTCFPGA, this was on Jan 28. I've received no response of any kind since.

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