Toll, hab die 0.9 irgendwas BTC die ich noch bei BTC-E liegen hatte in 1.4 verwandelt  Schade, dass ich da nicht wirklich was hatte. |
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I frage mich die ganze Zeit ob es sich lohnt BTC an eine exchange zu schicken, panisch zu verkaufen, damit ich dann mehr billig kaufen kann, aber wie ich das kenne geht das nach hinten los, wenn ich das probiere.
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Das ist doch echt lächerlich.
Erst Rally aus dem nichts, dann Panik aus dem nichts.
Naja, worst case ich kann mir bald wieder Bitcoins leisten.
Hoffe nur diese ganzen Daytrader fallen so richtig auf die schnauze, damit das ganze wieder "normal" wird.
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Wahrscheinlich ist es zu viel verlangt, aber vielleicht würde mir jemand hier im Forum, der an das Projekt glaubt und ein paar BTC übrig hat 3 leihen bis das Projekt läuft und ich zahl sie dann, von mir aus auch gerne mit Zinsen (sagen wir insgesamt 5 BTC) wieder zurück.
Da weise ich dich mal freundlich darauf hin, dass Mining kein garantierter Gewinn ist. Es besteht ein gewisses Risiko, dass das ganze nach hinten los geht und nicht profitabel ist. (Langfristig zwar recht gering, aber vorhanden). Wenn du Schulden machen musst um hier zu investieren solltest du es sein lassen. Stell die den Worst Case vor: Preis vervierfacht sich nochmal auf 800 €/BTC und das Mining ist nicht profitabel, wie zahlst du dann deine Schulden zurück? |
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I'm seeing indications of a reading incomprehension bubble in this thread.
The Amount of Posters unable to comprehend the OP indeed increases significantly. It really could be a bubble. |
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SupaHoed,
Tut mir leid für deinen Verlust, User Crazydome8O existiert wirklich (Account heute erstelle, 5 Bedeutungslose Posts).
Nein es gibt niemanden an den du dich wenden kannst. Das es keine Zentrale Instanz gibt, die in die Überweisungen eingreifen kann ist ja der Springende Punkt von Bitcoin.
Es ist wirklich wichtig, dass ihr bei so etwas immer über den Anbieter (in dem Fall Candoo) geht und/oder ein Escrow benutzt (stehe dafür gerne zur Verfügung, Kosten Transaktionsgebühr + Ein Dankeschön).
Ich weiß wenn man neu ist haben Bitcoins den Casino Chip Effekt und man gibt sie leichter aus der Hand als man das mit € im gleichen Wert tun würde. Braucht ein bisschen bis man Bitcoin als echten Wert sieht und ist etwas das ich auch auf die Harte Tour lernen musste.
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No more OT here please.
Get back to the bubble bubble.
Or is this $ the official bubble measurement unit?
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Kann mir auch einfach vorstellen, dass er bei dem Ansturm auf seine Exchange gerade ganz andere Sorgen hat als dieses Eiskaffee. So in der Form von kaum Zeit um überhaupt mal zu schlafen.
Darauf das er hier nicht antwortet einen Scammer-Tag zu fordern ist doch lächerlich.
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It's pretty funny reading old posts on buttcoin claiming Bitcoin will go down in flames, discouraging people to invest, claiming the whole network will be hacked, burnt, inflated, that the price will fall so low that Bitcoins will be the same as testnet, ridiculing people that invest funds into the economy, now the same people are bitching here on bitcointalk making the same predictions after they have deleted the old posts.
Honestly I have been speculating probably since there has been a handful of members on the forum and I am not one bit sorry for not having enough coins to really enjoy the recent price rises along with loosing wallets with hundreds of BTC in the early days, I am just happy to be a part of this. Quite frankly all the arguments against Bitcoins are ridiculous to anyone who is even remotely intelligent, e.g. such blatant claims as "Bitcoin is not backed up by anything".
I am hoping I will be lucky enough to live and see a world where cryptocurrency use is more common than all of the currencies combined one day.
Exactly if I hadn't been such an Idiot in the past (investing Bitcoins to make more Bitcoins  ) I could lean back and drink champagne by now and really enjoy the ride. Right now every Price Jump is like a kick in my balls, but yet I'm not complaining (except this post). Bitcoin probably is the greatest experiment we have the opportunity to be a part of in our lifetime and no matter how it ends everyone of us can be happy to participate in it at such an early stage. |
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Nice one. Could you maybe post some Pictures on how it would look like, a little more information on the content would be nice, too. I feel like I'm buying a pig in a poke here Also, is this free shipping right? Worldwide? Just asking as I don't want you to pay more for actual shipping than the order is worth. |
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This would still require that you relay a transaction to a vendor, while getting a similar transaction to a miner. Without the Vendor or the miner seeing the double transaction before the other. That's hard and expensive to accomplish.
This paper is from mid 2012, my understanding is that this is practically fixed. (Not 100% sure though)
And still, with Bitcoin you have 1 Hour until a transaction is considered absolutely irreversibly.
With other Systems like CreditCards you have up to 180 Days until irreversibly.
It really would be the same as saying 180 days for charegbacks makes CreditCards to slow.
You are putting it as if every Bitcoiner would always try to make a double spend. All this attacks make no economical sense for low - mid value goods.
And no one would accept your credit card when you buy something like a house.
Only Cash is saver for fast payments than Bitcoin.
Sorry if I sound offensive, but I really don't get the issue.
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Again,
what's wrong with upgrading bitcoin support instantly confirmed decentralized payment in addition to the ones it already supports?
Can anybody explain what problems do they see in that?
The problem is, that Bitcoin is build about that confirmations in Blocks. It's necessary to ensure that Bitcoin is resilient to attacks. Therefore the Mining ensures that an attacker would nee more than 50% of all Processing Power mining on the "good" site to have a long term success. If you want faster confirmations, the Bandwidth requirements for the network increase to not find a lot of orphan blocks. If you want instant confirmations and still no central authority you would basically need unlimited bandwidth. I don't understand what the problem with 0 confirmations is. Do you have any Idea how hard it is to double spend a transaction. The only really Dangerous attack requires the participation of a miner with a reasonable % of the networks hashing power and even than success is improbable. So the costs of a successful double spend would require Mining Equipment worth Millions of $ by now. Is this dangerous for day to day transactions? |
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I am sorry, I though you knew how the markets work...
I apologise - I've assumed wrongly!
/end sarcasm
In my example above, I am not buying Bitcoins, it just happened that I have 125,000 of them, itching my hand to spend and "help" the economy.
And yes, I am pretty certain of my estimate that creating a instant sell order for BTC125,000 will bring down the price +/- 30%, probably over few days.
Then why did you disagree to my example where I talked about buying BTC to spend them? I am sorry, I though you could read... I apologise - I've assumed wrongly! /end sarcasm , Still that's a borderline case infolding over 1% of all coins in existence. If I would exchange 1% of all € in existence for $ this would have the same effect on the Value of the € (not as extreme though, but only due to a grater liquidity). Are you saying I should not buy things from the US for my €s to not crash the €? I struggle to follow your logic here...we are obviously on a different page. Obviously. As the thread titly says: So if you want to help the economy... Not: So if you want to increase the price further and further... I'm talking about Bitcoin being successful here, not being a speculative bubble to make some guys get rich quick on the expense of the late fools. And if you are talking about dropping 125000 BTC on Gox, don't you see that this example is to extreme? But this will happen sooner or later, and if by then there is no economy behind BTC of course it will go down. I stop feeding the troll now. |
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What i see as a problem for merchant trying to use bitcoin is pricing. how can you realistically price your merchandise when the Value of BTC changes drasticly daily? currently it seems that all it is good for is speculators and miners. To be usable a currancy needs a relatively stable value.  The Price will stabilize at some point (it can't go up like this for ever). Until then. There are payment providers, that give you the equivalent in €,$ etc. at the moment of the purchase and do all calculations for you. Using one of those you can accept BTC and still price in Fiat. |
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PrymeTyme,
just a suggestion:
Why don't you guy request a Analysis Bord in the Economics Bord, so we can distinguish between Speculation and Analysis.
With the current amount of new threads in speculation, I think that makes Sense.
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Melden und rauswerfen lassen.
Das ist Betrug!
Ja, solche Sachen unbedingt einem Moderator melden. Einfach auf Report to Moderator klicken. Wenn sich solche Reports über einen User sammeln fliegt der raus! |
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I am sorry, I though you knew how the markets work...
I apologise - I've assumed wrongly!
/end sarcasm
In my example above, I am not buying Bitcoins, it just happened that I have 125,000 of them, itching my hand to spend and "help" the economy.
And yes, I am pretty certain of my estimate that creating a instant sell order for BTC125,000 will bring down the price +/- 30%, probably over few days.
Then why did you disagree to my example where I talked about buying BTC to spend them? I am sorry, I though you could read... I apologise - I've assumed wrongly! /end sarcasm , Still that's a borderline case infolding over 1% of all coins in existence. If I would exchange 1% of all € in existence for $ this would have the same effect on the Value of the € (not as extreme though, but only due to a grater liquidity). Are you saying I should not buy things from the US for my €s to not crash the €? |
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This is exactly what I'm trying to tell people since over a year.
It's not bad if you want to save your coins, just when you want to buy something anyway, look if you can get it for BTC, when you can convert the fiat you wanted to spend anyway to BTC and buy you product for BTC. It's one extra step, but this way you help Bitcoin grow step by step.
I disagree. My example - in light of the increase of Bitcoin price, I can now buy myself a business jet. I want to "help" the Bitcoin economy, so I offer Boeing to pay BTC. They then go to Gox, open an account, wait for a month or more to get verified. In the mean time, I pay them BTC 125,000 and take the jet. Eventually, some months later, Boeing now able to withdraw fiat, dumps the BTC to the market, crashing it some 10-30% (my estimate) getting less fiat to what it was worth when they accepted my BTC payment. I can just imagine the conservative financial director there having a cup of tea with the chairman of the board, saying; "you know what, I thought it was a great idea at the time". Not going to happen! Please be just a troll. You can't be serious with a border line example of 1% the total BTC Value. That's just ridiculous. So you are not buying a new with BTC because 1 Million PCs at once would increase the Price of BTC to much? Even if a normal directly sells the BTC for Fiat, people buying and businesses selling BTC at a constant rate helps to stabilize BTC. And the point is, that trade makes BTC more interesting for more and more Businesses. |
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I am sorry, but I think everybody here is wrong in a way or the other, even bitcoinologist.
So you are also waiting 180 Days on a Credit Card transaction until it's "confirmed" and can't be reversed anymore? Confirmations only mean there is no possibility of fraud anymore. A 0 confirmation transaction is still by the several orders of magnitude saver than a Credit Card or PayPal transaction. Like already said a 100 Times. Waiting for confirmation makes onnly sense for High Value Goods and for high turnover trading. |
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Die Jungs sind echte Kotzbroken. Ihr Umgang mit Kunden ist unmöglich. Selbst wenn BFL irgendwann mal einen Superminer rausbringen sollte, der 10 mal mehr Leistung bringt als die Konkurrenz und dabei nur 10% an Strombedarf hat: Mit der Firma habe ich das erste und auch das letzte mal ein Geschäft gemacht.
+1 Habe zwar nichts direkt bei denen gekauft, aber die Entscheidung steht, bei dieser Firma werde ich niemals etwas kaufen. Ich hoffe nur, dass die Momentane Aufmerksamkeit und des Preiswachstum Bitcoin so langsam auch für (zumindest Mittelständige) Firmen interessant macht. Firmen die finanziert sind und ein Produkt ohne Prepurchase Gelder entwickeln können. |
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