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20541  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: March 31, 2018, 03:51:45 PM

...

Ah like that, yeah that'd be a possibility.

On a different, ODD note....
My MLD's kept quitting after a while, or at least, 4 of them did. I'm guessing it was just a bit too much per port on the hub to run 'em at 900mhz.
I've been fiddling with the settings and voltages, dropped mem voltage a bit. I currently have them all set at 876mhz, which for the past 20 minutes seems to work fine. But what i found odd was that while i was testing, i was running 1 stick at a time. When doing so, tapping the M to get the device menu in BFG allowed me to see the UUID. When i connected multiple, i still only saw that one UUID.

Then i disconnected all again. Plugged in one. Went to manage screen and yep, UUID. Plugged in the next. Went to manage screen and yep, UUID. Plugged in the next. Went to manage screen and nope, no UUID  Huh

Restarted BFG, went to manage screen and then i had the 3rd UUID visible.. I'm kind of lost as to why/how. But then just went on with the 4th/5th/6th/7th MLD i have at the moment. Had to restart BFG a couple of times, but now all my MLD's are seen in the manage screen with their UUID.

My guess is that the BFGminer needs some more work in order to operate correctly with multiple sticks.

nope I run 8 sticks on a stud hub for weeks on end zero issues. set at  836 or 846 I can't rembember

here I am below

http://ltc.tbdice.org/users.htm


MWxsXgQXomddd4kjpGynNUhaTeDpy4QZLi     Self     44.4M / 0.000%   39.5M / 0.000%   37M / 0.087%   221M / 0.144%   265M / 0.145%   501.10945


ever the optimist  I solo mine Grin
But were you able to see all the UUID's from first boot in BFGminer? Mining was no problem on my setup either.
[/quote]

yes  all 8 show but I have the hi end usb 3 hub from  eyeboot  and a pc with an i7 cpu and 16 gb ram plus a 500 gb ssd
20542  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: How to defend against asics or prove Metroid wrong on: March 31, 2018, 03:48:39 PM
I support the idea of protecting coin algorithms from the use of asics. But how can we force developers to do that. For them, it does not matter who will be able to mining. But for decentralization mining and survivability of the coin is of great importance. How to explain this to the developers, I don't know.

If we don't get enough  developers  to sign on  for this idea  cpu and gpu mining does  die.

If that dies  we are fully dependent on Asic's  which means  centralized mining.

I don't  dislike  centralized mining.  My signature mentions  BTC as a highway  for trucks, bus's , cars, taxi's

I am certainly willing to have  'good' highways.

But with no one to travel on them they become worthless.

It maybe  that ETH  + BTC  + LTC  end up  as the centralized structure for cryptocoins fine that  works only if  the other coins  are

decentralized.
20543  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread! on: March 31, 2018, 03:29:13 PM
Wow, I'm not exactly sure if this video is 100% legit,
but it seems that the Antminer F3 is already there hashing Ethereum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L-1iG6mdJ8

it is most likely real.


But  it will serve to kill eth  unless  a fork is done soon.


Here is the deal  cpu/gpu developers can crush asics  with  a 4-6 month built in fork  system for their coin.

Other then LTC/scrypt and BTC/sha256 no algo has much hashpower

so an asic will crush that algo.

the defense  would be   4-6 month forks  and adding  a second or third algo

say
x16r  now
x20r   4-6 months later
x24r   4-6 months later
z28r   4-6 months later

or
xmr1
xmr2
xmr3
xmr4

or
zec1
zec2
zec3
zec4

or
eth1
eth2
eth3
eth4


this  would defend  cpu/gpu coins  from the  attack  of asics

Thats the part im unsure about, X11 had similar algo's that all used the same physical sectors in the action of mining and the sequence that it mined those algo's were always the same pattern, x16r is a combination of a lot of different ways of performing the action of mining as well randomizing it into 1 of 40,320 possible sequences, so i feel its far far far harder to produce an asic that could benefit from it over a modern GPU. If an ASIC was to come out for x16r, it would have to be a generic cpu die basically with enough memory to cover the memory based algo's as well have some sort of decryption to adjust based on the last 8 bits.

I just dont see how an ASIC could easily mine 40,320 different combinations very efficient compared to modern GPU's

And with a commitment  to add an algo or 2 every 4-6 months  by by asics
Here is a new thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3228937.msg33601349#msg33601349


and here is the rvn thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2752467.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2752467.msg33607577#msg33607577
20544  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: How to defend against asics or prove Metroid wrong on: March 31, 2018, 03:19:18 PM

But for big coins it looks like devs are afraid to change anything

They have already considered on doing forks, XMR in a few weeks, ETH got a high votes for a fork to brick asics, X16r also can do forks

Hi @philipma1957 ,


miners do secure blockchains,
it does not matter what device is used.




It does matter as  Cryptos considered and supposedly a "decentralized" coin, imagine a large hashing power only owns by the big whales as they are the only one who can afford to buy the large portion of machines.

Quote
The value of a coin does not come out of "how" it is mined.


And the mining profitability suffered which leads to small miners also give up


See value  does come from how it is mined.  Think of gaming  I was a little too old to ever be a gamer.

 I predate pong and space invaders.
 I was a pinball player in the early 70's

But  if you game  a 1080ti system is affordable if you mine while you sleep.
Which means  world wide adoption  of gpu mining  at the grassroots level.

It must be preserved.  
I fuck around with Metroid  but he called the shot that asic's  were attacking gpu mining far earlier then I did.

It was a valuable thread he started .

The x16r thread has value.

and I want this thread to have value

I would love to see the x16r developer

say right now he will do

x20r in 4-6 months

with plans for

x24r in another 4-6 months after that

which  fully  will fuck  asics

and of course make  the raven coin worth dead solid money.



raven dev thread here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2752467.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2752467.msg33607577#msg33607577
20545  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: How to defend against asics or prove Metroid wrong on: March 31, 2018, 03:02:11 PM
Hi @philipma1957 ,


miners do secure blockchains,
it does not matter what device is used.

The value of a coin does not come out of "how" it is mined.

Use case and adoption gives value.


Cheesy PanneKopp

You are missing the point, he is not talking about value of a coin.  He is talking about keeping gpu mining alive, and yes miners secure the blockchain but not when asic mining is a mainly centralized venture.  Gpu miners allow for easy entry for people to mine crypto.

Yes  and what  most people do not realize is every home in the world  should have  a good pc with a good card.

[That is my fuck you to Apple iPad and iPhone and no good pc option. which is why I ended up with  cryptocoins in the first place]



I still propose this and gpu mining  becomes a slightly more complex rebate for your machine/pc.

This makes adoption   worldwide
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20546  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GPU mining will die in 2018! on: March 31, 2018, 02:19:38 PM
the way to prove the op wrong is on my new thread


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3228937.0


now here is the deal  if the idea I propose is not adapted


Metroid  will be correct.


Of course  my idea could be tweaked and altered a bit but it would kill off  asic competition quite fast.
20547  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: March 31, 2018, 02:13:51 PM

...

Ah like that, yeah that'd be a possibility.

On a different, ODD note....
My MLD's kept quitting after a while, or at least, 4 of them did. I'm guessing it was just a bit too much per port on the hub to run 'em at 900mhz.
I've been fiddling with the settings and voltages, dropped mem voltage a bit. I currently have them all set at 876mhz, which for the past 20 minutes seems to work fine. But what i found odd was that while i was testing, i was running 1 stick at a time. When doing so, tapping the M to get the device menu in BFG allowed me to see the UUID. When i connected multiple, i still only saw that one UUID.

Then i disconnected all again. Plugged in one. Went to manage screen and yep, UUID. Plugged in the next. Went to manage screen and yep, UUID. Plugged in the next. Went to manage screen and nope, no UUID  Huh

Restarted BFG, went to manage screen and then i had the 3rd UUID visible.. I'm kind of lost as to why/how. But then just went on with the 4th/5th/6th/7th MLD i have at the moment. Had to restart BFG a couple of times, but now all my MLD's are seen in the manage screen with their UUID.

My guess is that the BFGminer needs some more work in order to operate correctly with multiple sticks.
[/quote]

nope I run 8 sticks on a stud hub for weeks on end zero issues. set at  836 or 846 I can't rembember

here I am below

http://ltc.tbdice.org/users.htm


MWxsXgQXomddd4kjpGynNUhaTeDpy4QZLi     Self     44.4M / 0.000%   39.5M / 0.000%   37M / 0.087%   221M / 0.144%   265M / 0.145%   501.10945


ever the optimist  I solo mine Grin
20548  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DragonMint 16TH/S halongmining.com on: March 31, 2018, 02:10:45 PM
good thought, do you have the IBM 2980 as well to test with?

If your theory is correct, would be worth swapping these out

If I get some spare time, will try Bitman 1600w psu and check for any improvements in power consumption

yes I have

 the ibm 2980
the ibm  2880
the delta 2400 --------best server psu ever of the 15 different ones I used
the hp   2000
the hp   1800

the corsair  axi 1500

the bitmain 1600

my guess is  the 2000 watt or more are better servers

such as the ibm 2980

and the delta 2400  will be under or close to  1400 watts.

if these do 15.5th at 1400 watts

vs the s-9  doing  13.5  at 1400 watts   they are a big improvement.

Still waiting for the demo  to show the side by side comparisons but no one got back to me with a tracking number.
20549  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread! on: March 31, 2018, 02:02:43 PM
Thanks Phil. The t9 is what I was thinking. Looking at everything though just don't think I can swing it at the moment.

Thanks for the numbers though

no worries  and deal fell through on my side any way.  I did not get the 20x coupons

That's a shame.  I was thinking I could have used about 3 of them to finally upgrade my older gear.  

Pm sent
20550  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / How to defend against asics or prove Metroid wrong on: March 31, 2018, 01:58:47 PM
I want to make Metroid wrong
he has  a thread
   
GPU mining will die in 2018!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2786298.0

To all developers of the major money coins  here is my idea in a nut shell


Here is the deal  cpu/gpu developers can crush asics  with  a 4-6 month built in fork  system for their coin.

Other then LTC/scrypt and BTC/sha256 no algo has much hashpower

so an asic will crush that algo.

the defense  would be   4-6 month forks  and adding  a second or third algo

say
x16r  now
x20r   4-6 months later
x24r   4-6 months later
z28r   4-6 months later

I have contacted x16r dev on his thread

x16r now
x18r 4-6 months
x20r 4-6 months
x22r 4-6 months

maybe good enoguh












or
xmr1
xmr2
xmr3
xmr4

or
zec1
zec2
zec3
zec4

or
eth1
eth2
eth3
eth4


this  would defend  cpu/gpu coins  from the  attack  of asics
20551  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread! on: March 31, 2018, 01:57:12 PM
Wow, I'm not exactly sure if this video is 100% legit,
but it seems that the Antminer F3 is already there hashing Ethereum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L-1iG6mdJ8

it is most likely real.


But  it will serve to kill eth  unless  a fork is done soon.


Here is the deal  cpu/gpu developers can crush asics  with  a 4-6 month built in fork  system for their coin.

Other then LTC/scrypt and BTC/sha256 no algo has much hashpower

so an asic will crush that algo.

the defense  would be   4-6 month forks  and adding  a second or third algo

say
x16r  now
x20r   4-6 months later
x24r   4-6 months later
z28r   4-6 months later

or
xmr1
xmr2
xmr3
xmr4

or
zec1
zec2
zec3
zec4

or
eth1
eth2
eth3
eth4


this  would defend  cpu/gpu coins  from the  attack  of asics
20552  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread! on: March 31, 2018, 02:05:02 AM
For all the old timers. It seems like it's Summer 2014 all over again and we are mining Darkcoin on X11 algo using sgminer with our R9 280X using the same amount of power and making similiar profit as today.
Yep; same, this is reminding me of when people were saying nvidia was garbage yet lyra2 was paying oah soo well.....

There's always slumps in any market.  The key is having a business plan that accommodates a negative period of business.

yes  exactly .  I own 24 1080ti's  fully paid off

even with 1.50 a card on zec  it is 36 a day and power is under 12 bucks.  so 24 a day profit on paid off gear is okay.

but I switched to x16r  and I do 3 a card or 72 a day and power is about 12 = 60 a day profit.

I hold ½ I sell ½  I keep 4 cards on zec to instantly compare  that raven is better or worse.

I see a big upside for raven as the cap is only 35 million  very easy to pump it.


My house is down to 3200 watts of power used.  vs 5000-7000 in  the winter.
20553  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DragonMint 16TH/S halongmining.com on: March 31, 2018, 01:47:01 AM
other four rigs are using MyRig/Halong PSU

yeah  which rates  at 1600 watts.

and while it may not burn up at 90% of its max  it loses efficient factor.  It may only be silver at high power use.

I would be willing to say the delta 2400 watt or the ibm 2980 would do a lot better
 maybe  1400 watts vs your lowest at 1489 watts



Moderator's note: This post was edited by frodocooper to remove multiple nested quotes.
20554  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DragonMint 16TH/S halongmining.com on: March 31, 2018, 01:44:10 AM
My five units are running at various speeds and power draw: 1489 watts, 1521watts, 1656 watts on 220V single phase and one at 1688 watts 110v using an EVGA 1600 G2. (5th unit I have not checked wattage but pulling 7 amps on 220V). room temperature is 70 degrees

Hashrates showing on Dragonmint miner status page: 15.13TH/s, 15.86TH/s, 15.38TH/s, 15.42TH/s, & 15.40TH/s  (slushpool)

okay  the 110v evga 1600 g2 is lacking so it is worse at 1688 watts -  I suggest getting something else for that or using a 700 watt on 1 board.


but all of them are higher watts  then I thought they would be.

so what psu's ?

do you have a delta 2400 watt psu on any of them?

or all antminer ap3++

I would love to test my demo when I get it to see if a 2400 watt delta is better
20555  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: free electricity what would you do? on: March 31, 2018, 01:11:01 AM
This is so easy   buy the 420 coupons for bitmain

sellers are asking 70   so it is 350 off

the t9 is 755   so 755 +100 = 855 + 70 = 925 - 420 = 505  for 10.5 th

or 4545 for 94.5 th  get some psus.

and the gear would just earn money till it all dies

@ 4% diff jumps  you would be ahead 763 in 154 days
@ 5% diff jumps you would be ahead  456 in 154 days
@ 6% diff jumps you would be ahead   170 in 154 days

@ 7% diff jumps you would be ahead   492 in 184 days 2670 in 1 year

I assume coin price of 6950
20556  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [Give Away] 100USD Bitmain Coupons on: March 31, 2018, 12:39:23 AM
I have some to give away maybe 6x $100
20557  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DragonMint 16TH/S halongmining.com on: March 30, 2018, 11:13:41 PM
Comparing pc parts with asic hardware is not that simple.

When you design your ASIC hardware, you design the whole set all the way from control board, hash boards, chips to be custom made and compatible with each other.

But it is possible that Halong and Inno has had some partnership deal in which Halong has got an access to Inno designs and have that way been able to implement the Inno control board in the Dragonmint unit.

like asrock has with intel
or asus with intel
or evga with intel

or any mobo that uses intel.

20558  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Deep Explanation of how Ethereum ASICs are possible? on: March 30, 2018, 11:11:40 PM
Eth can simply fork every 4 to 6 months and asics would not keep up.

The developer of eth is the issue not asics.

Any coin can have the will to beat asics with a fork every 4 to 6 months.

They can simply add an al-gore-rhythm   to the original coin.

right now raven x16r is hot

so bitmain says let us crush it.

Raven has x20r ready to fork today  but does it in 4-6 months

all of bitmain research is wasted  building the x16r chip

Raven then goes to x24r  in another 4-6 months  and on and on.

basically all al-gore-rhythms could do this and every asic could be turned to shit over night. won't happen with BTC or LTC  but the other coins could do it.

Asic builder fucked themselves doing this or not.  We will find out very soon.  next 4-8 months.  should be fun to watch it unfold.
20559  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DragonMint 16TH/S halongmining.com on: March 30, 2018, 10:59:45 PM
okay so it has parts from an s-9 and parts from Innosilicon

so like Yoshi told me many parts are similar from various miners.

My HP omen gpu miner has  2 1080ti's and an intel 8700 cpu
Does that make it a Dell Alien gpu miner because the dell has 2 1080tis and an intel 8700 cpu?

So I do not know what the bother is.

Now for them to do well  it needs to do 16th at 1300 watts at the wall.

If I ever get my demo I will point it at -ck's pool and try 3 different psu's on it. (not at the same time)

till then I got nothing.
20560  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread! on: March 30, 2018, 10:49:42 PM

It does not need to do that at all, ASIC's are specific to a certain algo in regards to hashpower/watt, so no ASIC manufacture can make a ASIC chip that is efficient at all 16, they are vastly different for a reason...


 X11 has 11 different algorithms in it, but the original Baikal miner was quite efficient at mining X11 and also high efficiency at mining several of the component algorithms as a "seperate" thing.

FAIL logic.



So assuming the x16r came out a month ago  and bitmain / Baikal want to asic it the  timeline may be 4-6 months out at best.

But  if x16r  had a fork ready now and could fork in:

5 months  to x20r
then fork in
5 months to  x24r
then fork in
5 months to x28r

asics  would be fucked
I have a feeling you hit the ASIC on its head, this is why Monero devs proposed a hard fork every 6 months.

yeah  this means those  Vegas could end up being very good.
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