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2101  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Giving Away a FREE 840Mh/s ModMiner Quad FPGA Miner Every Week in October! on: October 30, 2012, 03:31:58 PM
Unless we can convince Tom to just give away MMQ's to everyone!!

+1. We are just 82 or 83, and FPGAs will go in the dustbin of history when ASICs come out any time from now. I propose that the receivers pay for delivery though.
2102  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Legal Actions against Nefario on: October 30, 2012, 10:43:02 AM
1) You all want to stick it to the tax man and then run to the law when you all get fucked? Seriously wtf is going on here?

No. I personally am strongly in favor of sorting out matters privately.
So in my perspective we should try to find an effective way for that.
what do you mean? Are you not anymore in favor of legal charges?

I am, but I see that as a second rate choice in terms of chances, efficiency, and speed of a resolution -especially in BTC matters.

Moreover, as you see there is always some genius who assumes that recurring to the violent arm of the law is something that you get from the state "for free" (!). Sorry, but nobody ever asked me if I liked to live under a monopoly of violence by someone else, so if that system gives me something, it does not pay even a fraction of my freedom, and anyway I already paid 1000 times for whatever I get from it by direct and indirect taxes.  
2103  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Timeline for GLBSE payouts and verification of securities ownership on: October 29, 2012, 06:04:49 PM
What's the current status...?

Divided by zero
2104  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Legal Actions against Nefario on: October 29, 2012, 05:33:41 PM
1) You all want to stick it to the tax man and then run to the law when you all get fucked? Seriously wtf is going on here?

No. I personally am strongly in favor of sorting out matters privately.
So in my perspective we should try to find an effective way for that.

2105  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: October 29, 2012, 05:09:58 PM
Next time I'll go up and ask him wtf is he going to do.

I suggest a different approach if you see him again: just point him and scream like in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". If an high enough number of us will do it, it may be enough to persuade him to clear his mess now.



Any other ostracism suggestion?
2106  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Cerco PARTNER per creazione Business BITCOIN on: October 29, 2012, 04:49:58 PM
Secondo me l'idea del GLBSE era grandiosa e il sito fantastico seppure un po' lento e scarsino di informazioni e soprattutto garanzie sui prodotti quotati.
Il fatto che Nefario dopo aver garantito fino all'ultimo momento di non temere il braccio violento della legge "perche'... Bitcoin!" sia andato in paranoia e abbia chiuso non vuol dire per niente che la cosa fatta un po' piu' seriamente e con + solide basi legali non possa funzionare alla grande.
2107  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Cerco PARTNER per creazione Business BITCOIN on: October 29, 2012, 04:37:06 PM
Il punto č che se vuoi avviare un'attivitā di exchanger ( di Bitcoin, di noccioline americane tostate, ecc... ) devi essere autorizzato: nel caso delle monete o dei sistemi alternativi di pagamento, serve una licenza finanziaria

Appunto io citavo il GLBSE: trattava solo "societa"' e "obbligazioni" in BTC. Non toccava denaro ne' in entrata ne' in uscita. Certo pure parlare di "debiti", "crediti", "interesse", "societa'", "obbligazioni", ecc. seppure in BTC puo' essere un rischio, quindi conviene fare molta attenzione al linguaggio e magari presentare ufficialmente la cosa come una sorta di gioco virtuale tipo Monopoli (come in effetti si e' rivelato essere il gran parte di quanto era quotato sul GLBSE. Purtroppo truccato come molti altri giochi/schemi ponzi in BTC).
2108  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: October 28, 2012, 05:41:24 PM
So if you get brother A, but brother B is gone with the money, what do you do?

Brother A has to work or take out a loan to return the money. In addition he can sue brother B, but that is none of your concern.

Problem is that brother B is the only one with your receipt. Without his cooperation you can't prove nada.
2109  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: October 28, 2012, 05:36:29 PM
So if you get brother A, but brother B is gone with the money, what do you do?
2110  Economy / Speculation / Re: How many bitcoins will you buy at 8$? on: October 28, 2012, 05:14:02 PM
The only time I bought BTC it was at 20 USD, and then they crashed to 2 USD. Pray that I don't buy again.
2111  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Cerco PARTNER per creazione Business BITCOIN on: October 28, 2012, 04:45:04 PM
per regolarizzare un'attivitā di questo genere sono necessari almeno 100'000 EUR ( societā + licenza finanziaria + compliance per KYC-AML-CTF + amministratori qualificati + assistenza per l'apertura di conti di corrispondenza presso banche + ecc... ).

Forse molte delle licenze che citi servirebbero solo nel caso che legalmente i Bitcoin abbiano uno status di monete o almeno assets economici.
Definendo alternativamente i Bitcoin ("chiavi crittografiche"?) forse almeno alcune si potrebbero bypassare.
E cmq pure 100K non sono fuori dalla portata di un gruppo che ci crede.
2112  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: October 28, 2012, 04:02:45 PM
because he wants to keep his money together and dont want to lose money. But thats only a guess of course.

I don't get why keeping hostage users' assets is related to "his" money. Supposing that he's going to ask for a ransom?
2113  Economy / Economics / Re: Tsunami in the little world of gold on: October 28, 2012, 03:57:59 PM
"what history boils down to is that when the value of the currencies kept going down and down because the governments acted like they always do, the people who owned gold and silver (and got the hell out of town with it) did very well."
Mogambo sez:
http://mogamboguru.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-valuable-valuable-clue-as-to-what-to.html
2114  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Find Trendon Shavers in person thread... [BTCST, BTS&T, pirateat40] on: October 28, 2012, 12:23:22 PM
That would be great.  If you want to pm or email it to fdajkddcek@gmail.com

Just sent my Bitcoinmax account screenshot too.
Please keep us updated on your progresses
2115  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: October 28, 2012, 10:39:23 AM
Seems to me the feds came knocking at his door, and arrested him for money laundering, and supporting terrorism. Id bail too. He didn't specifically state it, but he made a reference to it about the other exchange having the feds knock on the door and arrest them for money laundering, and supporting terrorism.

The feds... in UK? If he were under "supervision" I don't see why "they" allowed him to send out partial repayments to supposed a-narco-terrorists and tax evaders -unless the mess he made of it was part of "their" evil plan (to achieve what? Panic? Lulz? FUD?).
You have to elaborate your conspiracy theory.
2116  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Legal Actions against Nefario on: October 27, 2012, 06:26:37 PM
talk is cheap.
Time to walk the walk.
2117  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-10-21 Warren Mosler about Bitcoin on: October 27, 2012, 04:40:34 PM
I believe that bitcoin is a revolutionary money system for citizens, but i dont believe that can to be used for legal tender

God save us from legal tender, state control, and taxes.
BTW: I would not call "modern" the theory that the state can print money. There are lots of historical examples. None of them ended well as far I know, even if in the short them someone made miracles printing state money. Hitler for example.
2118  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-10-21 Warren Mosler about Bitcoin on: October 27, 2012, 01:02:53 PM
I expect that when the current debt-based fiat money system collapses (soon), MMTers and other neokeynesian lunatics will have their heyday and will go mainstream. I am sending them my best wishes until they do not try to touch BTC, gold and silver, and free mobility of capital.

quote of the day: "intelligent people fear inflation, especially the kind where people cannot afford to buy food, which is the big killer of economies and countries, and then there is usually a war with somebody, and the whole thing is a Big Freaking Bankrupted Mess (BFBM)."
The Mogambo Guru
http://mogamboguru.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-valuable-valuable-clue-as-to-what-to.html
2119  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Trendon Shavers-Philip Moustakis-United States Securities & Exchange Commission on: October 27, 2012, 11:22:55 AM
I'm out of the USA but I'm willing to talk.

Sing like a bird.  Smiley
2120  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Legal Actions against Nefario on: October 27, 2012, 10:01:35 AM
we might all do down together, but at least no one will be laughing, right James?

At this point I vote for going down together.
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