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2101  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io What Is Really Going on? on: July 29, 2018, 01:56:49 PM
Yeah, this is what I learned about ICO investing and which is why I was stung and I never dare to try again. When they're raising, all the beautiful promises and funny gifs, and loving all of us and telling us they hope to see us at the end of the marathon.

Then after the money is raised excuses like everyone is working hard. So much work so many problems. They are human too they are having so much stress and we should understand (of course we do we are human too but where is all the transparency promises).

Then they disappear, ban, mute, and just stay silent.

Investors fight among themselves. Some want to defend the project for fear their funds disappear. Can't blame them, they have no choice but to hope and believe in the truth. I hope everyone learns their lesson and accepts that this is the risk, and investing is extremely, extremely, EXTREMELY risky.

Good luck to you guys.
What were the promises during the ICO?

Why did investors not sell their tokens when they realised that promises were not fulfilled?

Did the investors regularly visit the website?  Have they seen that only Dice was running for months and the other things like poker, sports betting and casino should come soon while it did not?

2102  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🚩 Bitcasino.io – the FUN, FAST and FAIR gaming experience! 🚩 on: July 27, 2018, 03:04:33 PM
Good point adamistraybar!

They claim their old account was hacked, but their new account does not answer questions or make posts in their own thread!!!

Quote from: adamistraybar
You even made a new account because your old one was so red due to your numerous scams. I saw your bs reason but really it just furtures the whole idea your a scam

We were forced to create a new account as we no longer had access to the old account.
No matter how red the account would have got previously, we would rather use that one to clear our name from unfounded accusations like this.
According to your brain wash theory, you use your accounts to clear your name from unfounded accusations, but you do not post in your own thread and answer legitimate and important questions Huh

Who gives the brain wash trainings to the participants of the Coingaming scam group? Tim?


If you do feel like you have an issue with us, please feel free to contact Ask Gamblers and they can mediate.
So according to your (no, sorry Tim's) brain wash theory, if I am scammed I ask gamblers, if I have an accident I go to the baker and if I need an insurance I go to the haircutter, right?

Like the sun is moon, war is peace and car is apple!  Cheesy
2103  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Sportbetbet.io And Bitcasino on: July 27, 2018, 02:47:28 PM
Good point adamistraybar!

They claim their old account was hacked, but their new account does not answer questions or make posts in their own thread!!!

Quote from: adamistraybar
You even made a new account because your old one was so red due to your numerous scams. I saw your bs reason but really it just furtures the whole idea your a scam

We were forced to create a new account as we no longer had access to the old account.
No matter how red the account would have got previously, we would rather use that one to clear our name from unfounded accusations like this.
According to your brain wash theory, you use your accounts to clear your name from unfounded accusations, but you do not post in your own thread and answer legitimate and important questions Huh

Who gives the brain wash trainings to the participants of the Coingaming scam group? Tim?


If you do feel like you have an issue with us, please feel free to contact Ask Gamblers and they can mediate.
So according to your (no, sorry Tim's) brain wash theory, if I am scammed I ask gamblers, if I have an accident I go to the baker and if I need an insurance I go to the haircutter, right?

Like the sun is moon, war is peace and car is apple!  Cheesy
2104  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✅ DuckDice.io 🎲 Faucet 🎲 Rainbot 🎲 Jackpot 🎲 Wagering Contest 🎲 1%Edge 🎲 on: July 27, 2018, 02:34:56 PM
DuckDice scam? what a bullshit from the most scammy annoying dude in the whole forum.

Btw, how can we get back that promo link in your signature?  Cheesy
Yes, the duckdice scam is a bullshit! But as there is enough shit out there you can find your target group!  Cheesy

Shit to shit so to say! Cheesy
2105  Economy / Gambling / Re: MBET.IO RISK FREE FIRST BET. MORE THAN 100K RACES PER YEAR on: July 27, 2018, 02:25:31 PM
LuckyCL does not want to ask who the operator is, so he is likely a shill account!

Also hard to believe that someone does not know what an operator is! Roll Eyes

As always, these shady online casinos have their shill accounts to mislead the players!

If he is the naive idiot as he claims, why not simply ask who the operator is?

I like this sportbook and Shaun is verykind and clear when I asked him questions.
Please ask him who the operator is?

What do you mean by that question?
Sorry I dont know what is a operator in a sportbook
Operator is the person that collects your money and runs the website mbet.io that was previously run by the Coingaming scam group.


I think that if I won and payme, all its Ok, or not?
Pay today does not mean pay tomorrow. The operator can run away with all the money at any time.

But if you do not care to get scammed one day, you can of course send your money to anonymous receiver.
2106  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✅ DuckDice.io 🎲 Faucet 🎲 Rainbot 🎲 Jackpot 🎲 Wagering Contest 🎲 1%Edge 🎲 on: July 26, 2018, 08:50:11 PM
Why did the publicly proven Duckdice scam have a fraudulent bonus cancelling system?

Because its customers are dumbasses?
2107  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bitstarz scammed me! unsolved on: July 26, 2018, 08:29:07 PM
Unfortunately, Bitstarz is on the Curacao licensing scam casinos list!
2108  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetKing.io What Is Really Going on? on: July 26, 2018, 02:18:42 PM
Is Betking a scam?

 Shocked
Do you think BetKing is a scam because ETTKS assumes that Dean would have just folded if the value of the crypto would have went down?

What are the terms and conditions of the ICO?

Are investors allowed to sell their tokens at any time?

2109  Economy / Gambling / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io - Now accepting Ethereum!⚽ 🏆 Top Booster Price Boost Promo 🎉 on: July 26, 2018, 01:59:13 PM
deposits via neteller accepted but withdrawals rejected.
reason?
because they have technical problems, but by deposit of course they don't have .
one of the worst bookmakers which i saw probably
Did you deposit US dollars using Neteller?
2110  Economy / Gambling / Re: MBET.IO RISK FREE FIRST BET. MORE THAN 100K RACES PER YEAR on: July 26, 2018, 01:41:18 PM
I like this sportbook and Shaun is verykind and clear when I asked him questions.
Please ask him who the operator is?

What do you mean by that question?
Sorry I dont know what is a operator in a sportbook
Operator is the person that collects your money and runs the website mbet.io that was previously run by the Coingaming scam group.


I think that if I won and payme, all its Ok, or not?
Pay today does not mean pay tomorrow. The operator can run away with all the money at any time.

But if you do not care to get scammed one day, you can of course send your money to anonymous receiver.
2111  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🚩 Bitcasino.io – the FUN, FAST and FAIR gaming experience! 🚩 on: July 25, 2018, 06:44:09 PM
Here is what Peter Pan said

First I will say that bitcasino is not a scam site and they run a great operation. But a bit of a mix up and some revenge on their end and lack of communication the past year has caused me to take this to the forums. I am sad to do this but I am all about equitable and fair operators and this is far from equitable and fair!

I am a regular player on many online casinos with bitcasino my biggest. I have had thousands of coin deposits. For the past year I have been trying to understand why they declined over 100 Bitcoin of withdrawals claiming a KYC security review despite taking over 70 Bitcoin in deposits from me for one account and making a withdrawal of 80 Bitcoin prior.

For over a year they would not speak to this issue or help me out! They told me I had to respond from the e-mail registered. And from the beginning I told them that I could not access that e-mail. Nobody dared to help or help bring this to fruition! They even accepted deposits to this account after the security hold.

I created another account where I made hundrets of Bitcoin deposits and withdrawals and never once did I need to enter KYC.

Below is my e-mail to management and response, as well as the transaction history for deposits and withdrawals including when they had the security hold. Support wouldn’t help me! My VIP host told me to forget about it and I am just trying to come to a equitable solution:

Peter Pan’s email to Tim Heath from BitCasino

Thanks, I appreciate your help.

I made over 80 Bitcoin deposits using no bonus at all and received no bonus to that account. You guys cashed out my first withdrawal and for no reason put a security alert on that account and offered not a single work around communicating with me outside the registered e-mail which was communicated that I could not access.

I have tried to bring this up to support, but they won’t speak to this matter. My VIP host will not speak to the matter and yet over the past year I have still made how many hundrets/thousands of Bitcoin deposits into my other account?

I’ve been with you guys a long time. I try and be as equitable and fair as possible, but nothing about this situation seems fair. Nobody has explained why a security block was piut on my account or even attempted to work on a solution to help their player out.

You denied any withdrawal regardless of the amount and the total denied is ~ 100 Bitcoin on top of the 75+ Bitcoin I deposited! This is not or has ever been a small sum of money and I really trying to get to a place, where if you were in my shoes, feel like a targeted reverse scam?

The silence around this occurrence and complete disregard for any transparency around the player’s deposited funds or funds won is quite simply unfair! There was no justification for the security block after accepting deposits. Play is anonymous, yet you wanted verification? I am not a greedy person. I am looking to work towards an amicable and equitable resolution within the coingaming and bitcasino management.

Tim, I am trying to handle this in the most appropriate way possible. We have known each other for some time and I have been a rather significant player for your site the past few years.

Can we come to some type of terms where we can move forward? I really just want to put this issue to bed and not completely feel taken advantage of, as you know I’ve had my fair share of unethical beats from operators.

You guys have been good to me through the years and I never thought otherwise. This is just not something that I can really understand or would expect. I figured you might not really be in the loop?

Thanks, JT

Response from BitCasino

Hope you are doing well.

I wanted to touch base with you on the concern you raised in regards to one of your previous BitCasino accounts – honeyhoney1.

Your withdrawal requests were declined back in June 2016 due to security reasons. However, the documents were received from you did not pass KYC verification. After that, you continued playing and lost the entire account balance. In our terms and conditions, we reserve the right to KYC our players for any withdrawals exceeding the equivalent of 1 Bitcoin.

This is a standart procedure required to help you stay safe from any fraudulent activity, especially bearing in mind that you have multiple related accounts on our website. Tim has been on top of your case and I can assure you that no funds have been confiscated or misplaced.

Upon reviewing the information you have provided and based on our refund policy, we have concluded that a refund will not be issued in this matter.

Please have a read through the above and let me know your thoughts. You have been a loyal customer of ours for many years and I really do hope we can put this all behind us.

All the best, Christina

Here is another reply from Tim Heath. FYI, the Skrill funds were never charged back. Skrill got suspicious and they were informed it was a casino I was sending funds to and denied his funds. I offered to split the difference with him but he ignored that request.

This is after you charged back $30k on Skrill and frauded us? Please Jon, you are in the wrong here and we dont appreciate being blackmailed. You made a 2nd account and we had to verify it was you. Once we had done this you were able to withdraw your winnings, like any other casino. You only have yourself to blame that you decided to play, rather than waiting the 24hrs to verify your documents.

Tim

I told Skrill every charge was valid. They found out it was for a casino which is not my fault and neither of us got paid those funds. Here is the next email I got from him:

What exactly do you want us to settle? We have a right in our terms and conditions to kyc a player, which for those size of withdrawals we do. No coins were stolen or misplaced. You had access to them and after 24hrs, after your documents had been verified, you were able to withdraw the funds. Further, in subsequent withdrawals, you had already been kyced.

The peterpan account was fully verified, hence was able to deposit, play and withdraw.

So I’m lost why you think we should give you money, when we have followed our terms and conditions to ensure the safety and security of accounts.

So it lookslike he had a personal vendetta and then balked to Terms of Service. This took over a year and half to get a reply.

I am trying to settle for much less than I am owed and they are not budging. I really could use the forums help. I am trying to be fair and equitable but you can see their lack of transparency. Their verification is not true as my other accounts are not verified and they paid me out a withdrawal prior to putting the security hold.

It took over a year and half to finally get a response at all from anyone. This is not a fair or equitable understanding. If need be, my deposit history on my other account. This will blow your minds over how much I have played and this is how I am being treated. They took 80 Bitcoin, some after the “Security Hold” and have refused to help me despite my numerous attempts.

I am willing to work them here but the lack of attention, transparency or equitable approach to this has left me with no choice but to seek support elsewhere.

I will be very gracious to those who help me strike a deal with Tim Heath and the BitCasino team.

Thanks, Peter Pan
_________

I will gladly compensate 20% of the funds I am due from bitcasino upon payment for their help

Here is my help: BITCASINO MADE ME WHOLE

After he received his 100 BTC he deleted everything and escaped! Grin
2112  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com | The Bitcoin Casino | Plinko, Mines, Blackjack, Roulette + 8 more 👽 on: July 25, 2018, 05:49:39 PM
This user in question was linked by fingerprint to a user who defrauded PD out of a significant sum of money. Given that, their account had a flag on it before they even made a deposit. We asked for ID and the user provided an identity we believed wasn’t theirs. We wanted to have a phone call with them to try and clear this up and after many delays they agreed. It was clear they had found a non-involved girl talk to us who didn’t seem to know anything about primedice or bitcoin. That violated our terms but obviously that isn't why we held the withdrawal, we held it for the reason originally stated.

I'd like to stop this right here and make clear that this is not a matter of money but rather a matter of principle. I'm happy to donate at minimum the funds involved in this claim to a charity of the community's choosing. The trust of this community is not something we take for granted and is why we elected to post here to further explain this unusual situation.
Who received the 34 BTC donation?

2113  Economy / Services / Re: [Brand New] 🚀 Bitcasino.io 🚀 [Signature Campaign] 🚀 [$120/week] on: July 25, 2018, 05:44:17 PM
Coingaming Ltd is operator of the publicly proven Bitcasino scam!

Can you please tell me where this company is incorporated?

BitCasino.io is a brand owned and operated by CoinGaming LTD, is licensed to conduct online gaming operations by the government of Curacao under the gaming license 8048-M2105544
2114  Economy / Gambling / Re: New btc roulette - Sport, Dice, Casino - BetKing.io on: July 25, 2018, 01:11:57 PM
@ JollyGood

Why do not you answer my question?

Now this is what I thought was happening but was told that they site was custom coded with custom coded specially deveopled software. So all the software on the Betking website is licenced? If that is true then why indeed was there an ICO especially if her tried to sell the site in the past.

To who do you have to pay a license fee if you have your own custom coded specially developed software?
2115  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✅ DuckDice.io 🎲 Faucet 🎲 Rainbot 🎲 Jackpot 🎲 Wagering Contest 🎲 1%Edge 🎲 on: July 25, 2018, 01:09:28 PM
How can dumbasses get the 120% First Deposit Bonus?
2116  Economy / Gambling / Re: New btc roulette - Sport, Dice, Casino - BetKing.io on: July 25, 2018, 12:09:23 PM
Now this is what I thought was happening but was told that they site was custom coded with custom coded specially deveopled software. So all the software on the Betking website is licenced? If that is true then why indeed was there an ICO especially if her tried to sell the site in the past.
To who do you have to pay a license fee if you have your own custom coded specially developed software?
2117  Economy / Gambling / Re: New btc roulette - Sport, Dice, Casino - BetKing.io on: July 25, 2018, 12:05:06 AM
I think he said he needed an ICO for bankroll tokens  but what percentage of the ICO was used for bankroll tokens? If 90% of the ICO went towards the bankroll then I suppose it was clearly must have been stated in the whitepaper so it is all fine but if say 5% of the ICO went to the bankroll and 80% went on "development" which was a backdoor for Dean getting the funds on alraedy developed website then that is very bad.
Your suggestion that only 5% of the collected money went to the bankroll is absolute nonsense! Roll Eyes

Let us assume ICO collected $ 1 million and 5% = $50,000 went to the bankroll and 95% = $950,000 to the development. Can you see the nonsense of your suggestion?

Usually around 80 -90% of the money collected goes to the bankroll and rest to development / other expenses.

Those were examples. Maybe 50% went to bankroll tokens, maybe 75% went there I do not know. I was asking for clarification.
You posted nonsense with your 5% example!

You are obviously clueless about casino operations and calculations.
2118  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✅ DuckDice.io 🎲 Faucet 🎲 Rainbot 🎲 Jackpot 🎲 Wagering Contest 🎲 1%Edge 🎲 on: July 24, 2018, 11:54:23 PM
Our community is smart and ignore annoying nonsense-talkers, so we won't break their peace.

DuckDicer's just make their deposits and withdraw great profits - the whole idea of a Dice.
When you open your mouth only blatant lies and nonsense are coming out!

Smart people would never play at a publicly proven scam casino!

And if they are misleaded to play at your scam site, then they would at least ask how they can get the promised first deposit and reload bonuses.  Roll Eyes

Hence, DuckDicer's are dumbasses!  Cheesy
2119  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✅ DuckDice.io 🎲 Faucet 🎲 Rainbot 🎲 Jackpot 🎲 Wagering Contest 🎲 1%Edge 🎲 on: July 24, 2018, 01:24:02 PM
Why does the publicly proven Duckdice scam persistently ignore relevant questions?

Is there any dumbass out there depositing to this scam while you can play with consumer protection service inclusive?
2120  Economy / Gambling / Re: New btc roulette - Sport, Dice, Casino - BetKing.io on: July 24, 2018, 01:08:56 PM
I think he said he needed an ICO for bankroll tokens  but what percentage of the ICO was used for bankroll tokens? If 90% of the ICO went towards the bankroll then I suppose it was clearly must have been stated in the whitepaper so it is all fine but if say 5% of the ICO went to the bankroll and 80% went on "development" which was a backdoor for Dean getting the funds on alraedy developed website then that is very bad.
Your suggestion that only 5% of the collected money went to the bankroll is absolute nonsense! Roll Eyes

Let us assume ICO collected $ 1 million and 5% = $50,000 went to the bankroll and 95% = $950,000 to the development. Can you see the nonsense of your suggestion?

Usually around 80 -90% of the money collected goes to the bankroll and rest to development / other expenses.
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