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I think Interpol might be a poor choice to report his crimes to, since I suspect they're focused on much larger targets.
You can't report anything to Interpol directly, you report it to your local or national police. If they investigate and find a basis for an arrest but can't find the suspect, they go to their National Central Bureau. They contact relevant other national police forces if they think they know where he may be, or issue a worldwide Red Notice arrest warrant via Interpol if they don't. Good luck, I think you'll need it. |
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It doesn't involve Bitcoin community so I don't see any reason to discuss this ponzi scheme here.
That's the reason it should be. The "Bitcoin community" can talk and talk around in circles about blocks and other clever stuff, but their precious coin is actually being used in considerable volume by these "non community" people. Ignore it at your peril. |
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Yes, I know.
In the context of this thread, the point I was trying to get across is that MMM is morphing into something more and more interlinked with Bitcoin.
Universe is as "legit" as the other versions and seems to indicate the way this huge scam is changing.
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I've been in this "BTC world" for a few months now and I must say I'm disappointed. There's little to earn without investing, people want everything for free or for cheap, ... There's no way to earn something decent.
As compared to what other world? I don't care where they get their money.
They get their money from people just like you. |
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It's a pretty good copy if it is. Have you visited that link?
Of course, that asks the question, who is "admin" at MMM? Mavrodi does his podcast stuff and there's some pretty high profile, quite often Russian, guys in the background on local sites.
With this sort of money flying about, we're talking big style M*fia.
I am somehow connected to mmm, Mavro send everyday news via video. So here he speaks in a russian language announcing all things, even domain or branches he open, and I never heard Mavrodi announced MMMUniverse. I agree that MMM has 100% growth, but that's not 20 days. That's monthly and the condition is you need to do the task Mavro gave in order to increase your growth from 30% monthly to 100%monthly This is tied in with the "mining"  |
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And also now MMMUniverse, which develops the concept of Mavrocoin 'mining', extends the referral system into a sort of conventional matrix and pays 100% in 20 days. Anyone who just writes this off as irrelevant to Bitcoin for a number of reasons, better think again. https://mmmuniverse.help/what_is_mmm/index.htmlI think MMMuniverse is not founded by Mavrodi. Many people try to copy MMM without the founder know it. more like to scam other people that uses ponzi(mmm) that scams ignorant people. It's a pretty good copy if it is. Have you visited that link? Of course, that asks the question, who is "admin" at MMM? Mavrodi does his podcast stuff and there's some pretty high profile, quite often Russian, guys in the background on local sites. With this sort of money flying about, we're talking big style M*fia. I don't think this may affect bitcoin price, yes someone might invest/cash out in bitcoin but the majority would use more easier way to deposit/withdraw funds. As has been said above, if you haven't got a Bitcoin wallet, you can't play at Global. Also, local banks e.g Capitec SA, are getting presumably regulatory pressure to refuse fiat transfers if MMM is suspected, forcing more and more to use Bitcoin. |
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And also now MMMUniverse, which develops the concept of Mavrocoin 'mining', extends the referral system into a sort of conventional matrix and pays 100% in 20 days. Anyone who just writes this off as irrelevant to Bitcoin for a number of reasons, better think again. https://mmmuniverse.help/what_is_mmm/index.html |
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I have seen a couple of people around here in the forum who are getting negged for operating or promoting a ponzi and even some got negged just for participating or openly admitting that they have deposited in such scheme. All these people are known to be promoting BITCOIN ponzi.
Today I came accross this guy and his signature caught my attention.
Basically, it is a doubler site of an altcoin that is in his signature link and when I clicked the link it is obvious that it is a ponzi or a pyramid sheme when I see these words:
you are entered into the pyramid and stand to double your money if there are deposits after you (minus a 2 % fee, to be exact).
My concern is I am wondering why the guy is not getting any attention from the people who usually tags people who promotes a ponzi here in the forum?
I get as pissed about Ponzi schemes as anyone else, but if someone clearly states the situation like in that quote, i.e. that ROI is new investor dependent, then that's a big difference from pretending to magically make 50% a week return out of forex etc., or "doubling" thru some mysterious, supposedly stable method. The lie makes the scam imo. |
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MMM is huge worldwide, as in tens of millions of people, and the MMMGlobal and the latest MMMUniverse schemes use bitcoin exclusively. In South Africa, for example, weekly bitcoin activity increased from $16k a week to $746k a week in the year that MMM started getting well known there. No coincidence. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382615.0There is no doubt in my mind that MMM has increased first time users of bitcoin and probably helps support the price so, if and when these schemes (and others which are involving Joe Public in BTC for the first time) start collapsing, then it is logical to expect bitcoin to be dumped, either by users of the scheme or the scammers themselves. If you take out scams and other criminal activity from bitcoin use, what percentage do you think is left for coffees and Overstock sheets? Single figures? |
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and from there he took us in the office after few hours of conversation . The office was very small . He said all the administration department is here as I cannot get the miners from here . The factory is in shenzhen in gangdong only staff have access to it . So , If I pay right then .... I will get my miners after a week at my home. Which obviously didn't happened ever. Below is the mail in which sharif said - " we will fully support you all are offices are closed now . lu chen left our company 2 months ago " Now if you look at the mail of xiaorliu that tracking mail was send to me on 24 december 2015 and Sharif said on 4 th feb 2016 that lu chen / michael chen left the company 2 months ago " http://imgur.com/jpCaGrqThe difference is 1 month 9 days . Isn't that gives a doubt he/she ( xiaorui.liu@bitmain.com ) might be part of this ? Yes, a very good point. A current employee of Bitmain cc'ing an ex employee (according to Bitmain), who is still using his Bitmain address to give credibility to a scam which he had been running when he was working for them.... Then Bitmain's account on BCT makes one of its rare posts, to deny Lu Chen as an employee at the same time as Sharif emails you saying they're trying to contact him. Then a couple of weeks later, Bitmain come up with the nonsense story that his Bitmain email address isn't real, when it obviously is. I appreciate your frustration. |
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I doubt on her/his and include her as part of lu chen scam scheme because when i Received my first miner lu chen was in cc when she/he mailed .
If Michael chan / Lu chen wasn't part of company why did she added him in mail ?
Would be good to see that cc'd email. There is the possibility that Lu Chen was working for/with Bitmain when you did the first deal....I don't know. So, on the visit, did you go to Bitmain's office and get showed round by Chen or what happened? Late here now, will look forward to seeing more tomorrow. |
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I recieved mail from xiaorui.liu@bitmain.com ( another fraud bitmain staff . which i was unaware from by putting Micheal chan / Lu chen in cc ) telling me that you have to pay for custom duty and if the product is returned back to china I have to bear all the charges Is Xiaorui Lui a fraud? If "Ibrohim" is what he appears to be on Bitmain Talk, then Xiaorui Lui was still employed by them on 20th Feb.  Just because he/she rightly tells you that paying correct import duty (into India?) is your responsibility, doesn't make them a fraud/accomplice scammer. |
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It would be good to see the invitation attachment. When did you meet him and when did Sharif Allayarov tell you he hadn't worked for them for two months? |
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His Skype jianghu441 seems to have been used for a while, it links him to another email arabeb1001@yahoo.com and a Chinese manufacturing company called arabeb.com, now looks defunct, but its Whois confirms an address for admin 'chenlu' i.e. lu chen Domain Name:arabeb.com Registry Domain ID:1829260380_domain_com-vrsn Registrar WHOIS Server:whois.paycenter.com.cn Registrar URL:http://www.xinnet.com Updated Date:2013-09-29T05:07:26.00Z Creation Date:2013-09-29T05:07:26.00Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date:2023-09-29T05:07:26.00Z Registrar:XINNET TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION Registrar IANA ID:120 Registrar Abuse Contact Email:supervision@xinnet.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:+86.1087128064 Domain Status:ok https://www.icann.org/epp#okRegistry Registrant ID: Registrant Name:chenlu Registrant Organization:chenlu Registrant Street:hefei shushan zone xihuan center plaza Building4 1107 Registrant City:hefeishi Registrant State/Province:anhuisheng Registrant Postal Code:230000 Registrant Country:CN Registrant Phone:+086.05554378209 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax:+086.05554378209 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email:644972184@qq.com Registry Admin ID: Admin Name:chenlu Admin Organization:chenlu Admin Street:hefei shushan zone xihuan center plaza Building4 1107 Admin City:hefeishi Admin State/Province:anhuisheng Admin PostalCode:230000 Admin Country:CN Admin Phone:+086.05554378209 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax:+086.05554378209 Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email:644972184@qq.com |
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I would suggest you need to put a time line together of all communication you had with him, especially to and from which email addresses. Start a thread here in "Scam Accusations", title it something like "BitmainTech Scam" with the BCT profile of Michael Chan as the scammer, then copy relevant information from this thread to it. See what comes up from other people. You are more likely to get some sympathy and a refund or help from Bitmain, than you are tracking down this guy and getting money from him personally, although they will say it's your fault for going the gray market route. He doesn't seem to be very good at covering his tracks, so let's see how much pressure can be put on him. Edit: scam accusation thread started https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396220 |
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Your picture can't be seen because you're a newbie here. Looks pretty much like him, with different hair style?  This the profile picture of this FB account which is your man because  From the look of his friends list he appears to be well connected in Egypt. |
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And this scammer is all over the internet with his details . How to aware them . If you just type his name or email id in google search . All you can see are the details of him scamming the people around the world .  He certainly seems to be. Your Facebook link is broken, is this the guy you are talking about? 陈露 |
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Hi. From your page Bitfury's mining infrastructure is unequaled. You will have direct access to its global capacity. What does that actually mean? That you are a Bitfury cloud mining reseller and possess no infrastructure yourselves? One more question if I may, are would be investors dealing with a Reston, Virginia company or a Panamanian company? |
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