Even that wouldn't work because as you pointed out, the entity running the script pays the gas, and that entity can not in every case have its gas balance in the partition that validates the script.

But gas never was going to work economically any way, because all the validators need to be compensated, not just the one who wins the block. Any means of equal sharing the gas between all validators will be Sybil attacked (again any arguments about changing this reality via consensus-by-betting would return to the fact that proof-of-stake or deposits are self-referential and all that entails). And any non-equal sharing means the consensus becomes centralized over time according to the rule that the one with the most resources has the most economies-of-scale.

You got it with your edit.

Of course the virtual machine assumes they are atomic as you first stated, but the reality of the sharding is they can't be.

Building the virtual machine was the fun, easy part. The consensus scaling was the hard part which they should have done first even before raising ICO money. That is disgraceful.

That doesn't matter (or actually it makes the problem I explained more obvious). The script validation and the gas spend confirmation must be atomic, which means they must be confirmed in the same partition, else validation can not be partitioned per the logic I already explained.

In a strict sense you (and monsterer who mentioned that first) are correct, which is why I wrote the following:


Which I subsequently elaborated on today. The point about gas is why it is impossible to have sharded validation even if the scripts can otherwise be guaranteed to respect their partitioning.

But in a real world scenario where scripting is not controlled but is open for anyone to code, then when these scripts fail, they may not only fail themselves, but they may also do other things which cause other scripts to fail and even cause the economics of 51% attacks to be much easier and more plausible (make sure you click that link, as well read how I explained it to monsterer upthread). In short, the Nash equilibrium can collapse due to unpredictable externalities. But even if you argue against this, the sharding (paritioning) of gas is implausible with sharded validation.


Yeah that is my point that even though the virtual machine works, it doesn't scale decentralized (yeah sure we can scale anything centralized). And it won't even scale to where Bitcoin is now decentralized because scripts consume more validation resources than validating ECDSA signatures.

Here are some ideas for DApps to think about when designing a smart contract block chain:

www.coindesk.com/7-cool-decentralized-apps-built-ethereum/

I am of course thinking about this and how to do it correctly.

If I get healthy, I will try to teach these young guys a lesson about respecting those who have experience. I don't think Vitalik and Vlad are entirely clueless (and certainly Greg Meredith is a true academic and had worked at Microsoft Research), but I do believe they lack the experience in creating software and shipping it to millions of users. They lack some of the things I had to learn the hard way in those many years of shipping software that worked.

For example, I long ago shortcut directly to the generative essence of the problem space and thus am not wasting everyone's time and $millions pursuing braindead designs that can't possibly work. Instead I understand that validation must be centralized in any possible consensus system and thus I turned my attention to decentralized control over centralized validation. Those guys are instead still stuck back at figuring out what can't work.

Because I've been studying consensus design issues for 3 years and I've watched numerous technical presentations on Casper, thus I know what they are designing and what is possible and impossible.

What you believe about me or my capabilities is irrelevant since you don't understand any of the technology.

Produce technological rebuttals or get off my lawn troll kiddie.

Another troll who has no technological knowledge whatsoever and thus doesn't understand what he is commenting on.

This is a technical thread. Those without technical knowledge should please go troll in their numerous ETH P&D threads.

rangedriver, today I started adding boiled red kidney beans (24 hour soaking) to my diet in addition to oatmeal, steamed vegetables, and fresh tuna (soup and raw sashmi). No oil, no rice, no sugars, no bread. So I will complete cut out all carbos that aren't loaded with fiber. I will also moderate my fruit intake. Let's see if that will starve any pathogens/fungi in my body.

On this diet, I feel the inside of abdomen is an inferno, yet it is cold to the touch. Something is going on. And I have continued to be alert today. Sort of difficult to concentrate with this hot sensation inside my body, but isn't painful (not burning just feels very hot inside), just annoying or distracting.

The trolls and I are going to play a game of how many times the same post can be repeated in a thread to see who wins the battle of attrition about facts versus FUD.

Thanks. I changed my working environment to open air with a newly installed ceiling fan.

Sorry for the noise in this thread. I will get more tests.

I am not hypochondriac, as these are real debilitating effects (or at least have been ... see recent changes). Throughout my life I would say nothing and just fight my way through ailments.

But again how to treat the candida/mold? I guess diet and change of venue? I had told my gf, I really should relocate to a colder, drier climate. But I don't think I can afford to relocate to Australia right now for a vacation (but I will check into it). The other problem is my gf can't get a visa to go with me.  

Also it is very expensive to eat in Australia. I remember the prices are very high there, even much higher than the USA. I could return to the USA, but again a major financial dislocation as there are no relatives that will offer me a place to stay (not even my mother). Also my car and my current set up (computers, etc) are all here where I am. Very disruptive.

Going to Australia for medical tests/treatment may be plausible given kennyP's suggestion. But as far as ongoing treatment and staying there, that is less plausible at this juncture. But maybe even just getting away from a while might be helpful (and get some more medical tests), but I only have about $15,000 and then I am completely bankrupted. So I am in a very precarious financial state. Best would be to work and produce first, but that is what I had been trying to do with very limited coding productivity/continuity due to the illness.

The radical change in diet that past few days (no rice at all!) is causing some changes, but I can't yet access if these changes are sufficient. I am now completely off the supplements and able to function the past few days just with diet. I am still waking up after only 5 hours of sleep, but now I eat oatmeal and bit of tuna and then I fall asleep again by 4am to fill out my 8 - 9 hours sleep. This has been the pattern the past 3 days. Also the discoloration at my abdomen has become intermittent and also the pain would come and go. Also yesterday for my gf's bday at the beach, I was acting more normally such as acting like a silly young guy dancing, doing pullups, and I even took at jog up the mountain on Samal island. But the stomach pain returned after the jog but then it faded then came back again when I was hungry and then faded again after the sashi dinner. We will start tuna + vegetable soups today. Want to get away from eating canned (or fried) tuna during the day. So what I am saying is several things have been changed, so I want to see first what is the result of these changes.

Note from Googling low testosterone I see that even plastic bottle and cans can leech BPA and other EAs into food and water causing estrogen effects. Given the chinese dominate the Philippines economy and given the shenanigans they've been known to do (such as fumigating rice that is rancid so they can sell it), and given I buy distilled water in plastic bottles, and given the rental home has fiberboard ceilings, etc... it is possible for some environmental factors. I am trying to switch my food to entirely farm fresh, no frying. And no rice, no bread. But the oatmeal has so much insoluble fiber, I need some source of more soluble fiber thus the fruit.

Note that the lymph nodes at my throat act as though I am sick and I get a drip into my throat when ever I am feeling some disseminated inflammatory response all over my body (effects such as numbed lower legs, slight ache at the back of my head).

Trolls could sell turds as Snicker bars floating the swimming pool. Difference here is that speculators have no care whatsoever if the technology will actually work or not, because speculators are only chasing price (and the insiders can manipulate the price buying from themselves because they control the float, thus converting greater fools into cash flow for the Casper team to waste another $15 million down a rat hole). Thus trolls find it valuable to pollute the technology discussion with inane posts.

That blog post doesn't mention the weaknesses of Cryptonote/RingCT which I have explained numerous time. I posted a comment to that blog and it still hasn't appeared. Thus so far, I think that blog is a monero shilling vehicle and not objective.

Also one final followup to slapper regarding what I claim is his incorrect perception that I am trying to take credit of the work of others (and please do click this quote so you can go read all the context):

I will repeat again that the reason is that cut & choose (in theory) alters the economics of a 51% attack and thus (in theory) alters the security of the entire block chain where cut & choose is deployed (or other similar script ... which is why I have posited that multi-sig and for sure Turing-complete scripting is a generalized block chain security hole and scripts in zero knowledge may be the only way to close to hole).

Agreed that the security of block chains is predicated on there no being one (or coordinated) attacker with sufficient resources to perform a sufficiently long-range, lie-in-wait block reorganization. And this is predicated on the cost of the attack AND the potential gain from the attack. Cut & choose alters the economics of the plausibility of the gain from an attack. Mining concentration into pools (which may even be Sybil attacked so we don't know which pools are controlled by the same entity or which cooperate nefariously) coupled with hashrate rental capacities means that an attack is plausible except that these attackers don't want to be identified on a well established block chain (e.g. Bitcoin), because they don't want the community to fight them or otherwise destroy the viability of the block chain (e.g. the Chinese mining cartel allegedly controls 65% of Bitcoin's hashrate). With cut & choose, the 51% attacker can resign the DE transactions on the altcoin to pay to himself, but there is no way to prove which transactions were the attacker and which were the victim. Propagation is not proof, because nodes can lie about propagation and even be a Sybil attacked on the veracity of reported propagation. The only unequivocal proof is the longest chain rule (LCR).

Thus although we can't prove which of the double-spends are the victim, the victims can provably indicate that they took an order for a good or service from an attacker whom they can identify. Because if the attacker can't receive the good or service, then the attacker can't gain any income from the 51% attack. But with cut & choose, the attacker can't be identified.

Please understand the salient distinction. One general problem that I've observed numerous times in the block chain arena, is the very smart coders and mathematicians/cryptographers seem to have blind spots on economics (and even on the importance of degrees-of-freedom in design).



P.S. note I added a 4th bulleted point as quoted above.

Smart contracts in a real world setting that must scale can not exist without Casper.

The virtual machine for smart contracts runs, but any sort of real world scaling of the virtual machine requires Casper.

I have explained why Casper can't possibly work and my point is unarguable.

Don't feel the troll stoat. Put him on Ignore.


I doubt Metabolic Analysis Profile (Organic Acids) nor comprehensive digestive stool analysis (CDSA) tests are available in Davao. What other test for candida?


I am never bloated nor gassy. I don't have stomach cramps. I have a very focused pain, that feels like a soreness at the lowest right rib.

How to treat? I tried all these natural crap cures and all they did was fuck me up worse:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maura-henninger-nd/five-steps-to-treating-ca_b_4810659.html

I am doing better past 3 days by eating tuna, fruit, oatmeal, and vegetables. They say don't eat fruit, but the fruit seems to make me feel better (in moderation) so far.

There are some egregious distinctions.

• Attacker identifies his own UXTO which the community can then decide to blacklist with a checkpointed fork. Thus taking away the attackers income and causing the attack to be a loss.
• Attacker will have a very difficult time purchasing things at sufficient scale that doesn't identify him in the real world. Whereas stealing balances will be impossible to prove for cut & choose
• The victims can prove they were double-spent by long-range chain reorganization. This isn't an absolute proof of an attack, but community evidence gathering at any sufficient scale of attack should come to a consensus about the existence of an attack.
• There is no way for any user to opt-out of this attack. Whereas, users can decide to not use a DE which exhibits being a risk, and/or to not use a block chain which enables such scripting. Thus in contrast, the community's diligence against this attack in existential. Meaning that the DE (and the general form of scripting that enables it) is likely to be shunned by users/investors once (in theory) the attacks occur. Whereas, a 51% attack is likely to be dealt with by community action by increasing hashrate and/or checkpointing.

Readers should note I commented on the prior linked video upthread. Now I will comment on the second one you've linked to.

Listening to this video further affirmed how lost the Casper design team is.

Around the 27 minute point, Lucius Greg Meredith interjects the salient point that voting on blocks can't be orthogonal to voting on partitions. And you can see the point I made upthread as quoted below, that there is no possible way to partition the gas for scripts. Thus there can't be a Nash equilibrium on partition voting.

Vlad proposes to separate the voting for hashes of "blocks" (these "blocks" don't reference a prior block hash as in Satoshi's design, so Greg renames them "sequences") which he assumes are pre-partitioned, and then separately vote on how these blocks are ordered into a "state root". But the problem is that scripts need gas to run and since it is impossible to partition gas, then the entire assumption is invalid that validators can assume the transactions in their partition are orthogonal.

Bottom line is they will fail. They apparently haven't realized this yet, and they haven't articulated the core essence yet. I am superior designer (and note that Gregory Maxwell did not reply again because ostensibly he knows I am correct) because I can cut directly to the core issues.


The point of the above quote is that gas can't be spent across partitions. There is no way to merge partitions because it introduces the ability to double-spend in more than one partition. Thus if gas can't be spent across partitions then there is no way that gas can be moved in and out of partitions to where it is demanded.

The only way to spend a token across partitions is to have a LCR (a single partial order) for all partitions, i.e. a single partition for inter-partition state changes. LCR means longest-chain-rule. But this can only be a Nash equilibrium when all validators for the LCR validate all partitions (otherwise because as explained upthread, the Nash equilibrium is lost because the winner of a block can't be sure if he is building off an invalid state). Thus cross-partition spending requires centralization of validation (a.k.a. verification) because LCRs require centralization of validation. So if the point of sharding (a.k.a. partitioning) was to decrease latency and speed up and decentralize validation, it is a futile goal. This is unarguable.

Note an alternative to LCR is a traditional proof-of-stake for enforcing a single partial order (yet the point about validation in the prior paragraph still applies), but which is highly flawed and loses Nash equilibrium in numerous ways. Worse is that Casper's consensus-by-betting has a combinatorial explosion of partial orders, so as Vitalk admits in the above linked video, the model doesn't converge on enforcing a single partial order. The failure to converge (or the alternative being over fitness and converging on noise, as Vitalik also admitted) is entirely expected because proof-of-stake is self-referential and thus does not have a reference point from which to anchor a single partial order for which the Nash equilibrium can't be gamed. The way proof-of-stake overcomes this is by being essentially centralized. But I have also shown (see link in prior paragraph) that proof-of-work is also economically driven to centralization of validation.

There is only one way out of this mess for consensus systems, and that is my design which centralizes validation but decentralization control over the choice of validators (and decentralized statistical validation of validators).

Wow that is a great tip and not just for Hepa C.

Btw, all my tests came back negative, including HIV, Hepa C, Hepa B, blood culture, urine culture, and prostate cancer enzyme.

Also my gastroenteritis doc further pointed out that the pain I am experiencing just inside the lowest right rib is not due to the fatty liver, but rather my stomach. And she said my fatty liver is very early stage.

So we are no closer to knowing the problem, except that I can now pinpoint my stomach and tie that into the May 2012 hospitalization for the acute peptic ulcer (that had leaked acid into my abdominal cavity causing all my organs there to tear and my stomach had ballooned up). Note my chronic fatigue and peripheral neuropathy had begun as early as 2009 or 2010 (thus the peptic ulcer is not the root cause of all of this), but it wasn't chronic and acute as now until after the May 2012 incident (yet it was already bad enough in 2011 that I was losing productivity). I continue to think it was an overload of infections that tilted my immune system into autoimmunity, such as the HPV infection in 2006 that stuck with me (I reviewed emails from 2008 where I was still complaining about the lethargy and early stage neuropathy effects in my feet when standing more than 30 minutes). And then apparently dengue sometime after that (and didn't hospitalize for it and didn't know it was dengue until later blood test in 2012). And then at least two severe infections from females, especially late 2011 and Spring 2012. This was all on top of continuous infections throughout the 1990s when I was living in squalor in the Philippines (and bitten by mosquitos continously).

My doc thinks it is acid and prescribed an omeprazole variant. She doesn't want me to eat apples, bananas, etc.. I asked her if it could be an ulcer and she said no because I would have blood in my vomit or stool. I asked her if there is such a thing as stomach cancer and she said yes.

I think she is wrong about stomach acid and I am not going to take more of those acid controlling medicines, because I've read they have long-term side effects. I am not going to take more antibiotics, because I already took those for months.

Rather I have a new theory. I think there is something out-of-whack with my stomach (scar?) such that if I intake took much plant oils that it is causing my immune system to attack my stomach (more scarring?). I think the problem is that I stopped eating fruits, because I thought the acid and fructose was my enemy. But rather it seems that the fructose of juice is an enemy but the whole fruit itself is a balance of soluble fiber and natural sugars together with anti-oxidants. I think body thinks my stomach is an invader and my immune system is attacking my stomach. I think the types of food I eat contribute to my body viewing my stomach as a toxin.

She said she could go looking inside with an endoscope, but they would have to sedate me and there is 0.5% risk of complications such as bleeding. I think that is too much of a risk, until I have exhausted all my diet change options. Yesterday I ate a large Korean pear, several apples, all kinds of different vegetables and fish. I am able to get fresh sashi directly from a tuna exporter and he has a $4 all I can eat buffet just outside the subdivision where I am living. I am finding that if I eat every 3 to 5 hours and continuously eating the fruits, well at least yesterday I was entirely able to keep the stomach pain from becoming that disseminated effect where the entire abdomen turns yellow and I would normally get systemic autoimmune effects in my head and peripheral neuropathy symptoms. I was able to keep the pain focused right at the stomach without the systemic effects.

So there is some war going on around my stomach. Maybe a tumor, maybe a scar? The CT scan will provide more resolution than the ultrasound and will cost me about $400. I'll probably do that later this month if the diet changes haven't worked by then.

The Australia option looks like perhaps the better option if I need to go further than the CT scan. They could also I presume test me for all strains of HPV (which I don't think the Philippines can do yet), which is I think one of the original sources of my autoimmunity sensitivity, due to the horrendous reaction of my body in 2006 when my ex-wide infected me with that (some high # strain which I forgot because I lost the copies of the Fax from her gynecologist).


Just like with fiat, nobody will care. What matters to humans is to get on with their lives. So what ever is working at the moment and popular, will be the default standard.

I don't think companies are going to want to trust and stick an unreliable (unreliable obfuscation and unreliable performance) Tor/I2P layer between their servers and the cash and smart contract block chain. I don't think they will want their anonymity set is limited to potentially overlapping rings that can be unmasked by what apathetic customers do.

Hey maybe the coin that has both RingCT and zk-snarks will be the winner. Monero could position itself accordingly and let the users choose which privacy construction they prefer.


I will need to study the Zerocash white paper again at some point to see if I can devise a way to do a viewkey that spans different transactions, but doesn't allow the holder of the viewkey to sign for a transaction. I am not sure if it is structurally impossible. Shen-noether and gmaxwell can also probably figure this out.

Let's see if that is necessary. Depending on Hepa C genotype (if that is what I have), maybe the medicine is available in Egypt for $300 per month (4 month treatment regimen). Etc.. Premature yet since I don't even know yet if there is an underlying infectious cause (although I strongly expect there is, because it just doesn't make any sense I would have fatty liver from diet alone given my athletic activities, etc). I know I had HPV in 2006 and dengue before 2012. So who knows what else I had/have. Also my symptoms included papilomas over my body at times (2013/14), white tongue, and other indications of infectious agent (which have mostly diminished except eczema, but that could be due to the herbal treatments I did).


Are you referring to any thing else besides the decentralization comment below?

To reiterate, I think privacy will become important only if crypto currency becomes important. I am saying that putting the cart before the horse doesn't make a market. I don't believe privacy is a feature that will make crypto currency important and used by millions of people. After crypto currency is used by 100s of millions of people, then corporations will need privacy for crypto currency. After, not before.


Monero is not going to remain decentralized as it scales. I already explained to ArticMine and smooth why that is the case.

It is impossible to make a crypto currency that remains decentralized for verification. Again I explained why to ArticMine and smooth.

The only way to maintain decentralization is to make orthogonal the decentralized control and the verification.

So yes I agree with you and apparently only I know how to make that happen. I don't see anyone else with a design that can work.

My 2 cents opinion... I can't even think of starting with Cryptonote nor RingCT as a base for what I want to do, because I want to popularize crypto currency and I need microtransactions and very high transaction rate scaling with instant transactions. Also I want to totally change the PoW model to unprofitable PoW where the mining is done by payers (not by miners) and verification is entirely centralized, because this is the only way I can see to maintain decentralization as a crypto currency scales up. All that privacy and anonymity overhead is baggage that makes it impossible to achieve my design and it does nothing for the masses, but stand in the way of the features for which they might actually use a crypto currency.

It is 2am here (slept 5 hours now insomnia kicks in again). At 9am I will receive the results from all my blood tests looking for an infectious cause. I am thinking my Hepatitis C test will be positive. That makes the most sense with the symptoms I have now. And I am actually hoping that is the result, because there are 4 month treatment cures for Hepatitis C now (just in the past year or so become available), but one problems is the treatments cost ~ $85,000 and I don't have that much money, and even if I had health insurance (which I don't), they wouldn't pay for it until my liver reaches cirrhosis. But I did read one of the treatment regimens is available for example in Egypt for $300 per month.

So hopefully later today I will have more clarity on what I am dealing with.

Normally with Hepatitis C once a person reaches the stage I am in now, then they lose their ability to work, etc.. But I suppose radical improvement in diet might stave it off and improve matters enough to get a few more months of productivity. I was able to code an entire dating/social network site Spring of 2015, so it is only since about July 2015 that I become totally incapable of sustaining the type of concentration and man-hours one needs to gain momentum with coding.

Back on the topic of anonymity and privacy, I think there may be a market for this especially corporations are going to want this. And I think it may be possible to integrate this with the type of overhaul of Satoshi's design that I am contemplating. But I don't believe the first priority is to integrate that, because first we need to make crypto currency popular. Also I think the privacy technology that will end up integrating best and also work the best for corporations will be based on zk-snarks, not based on RingCT (otherwise I wouldn't have stopped trying to get my alternative design for RingCT which employs the apparently more efficient CCT instead of CT). It is possible I am missing some key details which will make my assumption incorrect. As all programmers know, the devil is in the details and I have not been trying to integrate on chain privacy with my contemplated overhaul yet.

As I said, if I was healthy I'd be all over this and I would be silent, because I'd be having too much fun coding. I am talking probably because I don't feel well and I am not able to do what I love to do. Reflecting a bit, I think I developed an addiction for posting on these forums, because for one thing it was necessary for my learning curve in 2013 but also it became a crutch for what I apparently lost the ability to do. Yesterday I was sitting in front of the computer trying to work, but even last night I realized I couldn't speak well to my gf. When one doesn't have the energy to speak clearly (tongue tied), then that can explain why they can't also do any coding. I really think it would be difficult for another person to understand if they didn't have experience with a similar type of illness. I also can't understand why I can write and analyze on the forum, but it doesn't translate into same ability to code. I think the difference is that writing and analyzing is much less intensive, because it is small morsels. Whereas with coding, one loads up a lot of information and variables and has to sustain several hours of concentration to get anything at all accomplished on some snippet of code.

I think Monero has a very good shot of taking over the privacy realm, but I think after you get RingCT and GUI wallet done, you need to start looking at zk-snarks. If ever I can get healthy, and if ever I do actually produce some code for an overhaul of Satoshi's design, at that point I think there could be a consideration of a meeting of the minds. Any way, what ever I do will be open sourced upon release, so you all can integrate or cherry pick even without my involvement. Right now, the key is that if I can't get healthy, then I am just a windpipe.

Yeah I thought of that too after I posted.

Well Evan is probably correct, that whales are not going to support the coin unless they control the coin supply so they can manipulate the markets. Evan is pragmatic and maximizes what he can "accomplish" within his resources.

Even Bitcoin appears to be the same with the Chinese mining cartel controlling 65% of all new coins mined. On the next block reward halving the marginal miners go, so the cartel's percentage should increase. If they can keep the block size constrained, they can obtain more Bitcoin by raising transaction fees.

It is not going to be easy to overcome the status quo. I hope you Monero supporters won't get upset with me if I say I don't think you have the chops to do what needs to be done to solve this. I believe I have the insight to do it, but I don't have the health nor programmer man-hours to do it.

I'd propose we get together and try to move ahead, but I think there is a difference in culture and focus and style. For example, I don't think we get there with part-time open source and laying out all my ideas in the open from the start. There needs to be a strategic approach. Normally I'd be all over this, but I am in a daily and hour-by-hour struggle to overcome a very unhealthy (fatty) liver and non-smooth kidneys.

What this does is it is debilitating (e.g. lack of energy, tiredness makes everything a chore, etc) away the normal functioning of the mind and body. I am hoping I get a breakthrough on my health. I am doing every thing I possibly can. Two days ago, I ran 3 times 2 kms (in tropical sun for vitamin D and sweat). Yesterday 5 hours of carpentry and fighting with very hard lumber with a $4 hand saw. Today 2 times 2 kms already (4pm now). Eating only oatmeal, raw or steamed tuna, steamed broccoli, wild black rice, apple, banana and today I made tomato soup (from paste) without any oil, just celery and white onion added, with herbs and black pepper. Delicious, but I don't yet have the entire breakthrough where I feel normal. Before running at 3pm, I just wanted to lay on the sofa, and couldn't really work up the energy and mental momentum to work. Although that much running and hard exertion I think in the past would make me bed ridden. So I am just hoping and praying I am near the end of the tunnel with this so I can get engrossed into coding. I did have an inspiration two days ago on my 3rd run, I was sprinting early in the run and racing a car. Was able to complete the run after slowing down a bit, but I hadn't been that aggressive early in run since early 2015 as far as I can remember.

Really when you create great software, you do it because you love and enjoy creating. If it is chore, then that is already an indication of failure.

What I am trying to say is as I stepped back and took an overlook on all the altcoins, I don't see anything seriously in contention for adoption or breaking free of simply being a tool of speculation. Anonymity isn't the ticket. Tor/I2P are a joke. If you are a dissident you use a pigeon (or other such more certain method), not Tor. And even if there are 100,000 dissidents in this world, that doesn't make a software market for a currency. If you are talking about serious potential markets for privacy, then you'd be looking into zk-snarks, but even I am not sure if that will develop into a significant market.

There are much more significant markets we should be going after. I don't think any of these people in altcoins have the necessary chops to go after these markets. I normally could be a leader, but I am just shadow of the guy who created mass market software in the past.

This situation is extremely frustrating to me.

Again I am all for working with talented people who have the chops in the markets I want to address. And who can be pragmatic about all this premine/instanmine political crap. All the altcoins are premined because none of the future adoption users are mining. This entire forum is one big premine orgy.

I don't say any of this to put any one down, nor do I intend to interfere with the speculation markets ongoing here (meaning I give up on trying to point out all the various P&D lies and hype).

I am just frustrated I can't (so far) do what I want to do. I believe it should be possible to leave all the other altcoins in the dust and that would diminish the impact of P&D altcoins on both speculators and the ideological goals many of us may share.