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2161  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 16, 2022, 12:32:09 PM
As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.

All of this would not have mattered if he had touched the ball; however, Likakovic made the incorrect calculation and ran out of his line to intercept the player rather than the ball. Alvarez was already moving quickly, and there was no way he could pass someone who had both feet pinned to the ground. It was a trap

Everyone who watched the match and the slow-motion video could clearly see that it was a collision and not a foul. The referee could have seen it if he checked the VAR, but he didn't. Why? To rule a penalty in such an important match without checking the VAR is a mistake or biased by the ref, if not something much worse.



You can see from this still that the goalkeeper went to intercept the ball and not the player. He put both of his feet on the ground before Alvarez miskicked the shot and crashed into him. What else could the goalkeeper do? His job is to defend the goal and not to get out of the way of the attacking player.


Exactly my point. This picture proves my point even more than the one I uploaded. It was a collision and not a foul. Even with that in mind, it would be easier for me (and a lot of other people) to accept the decision if just Orsato had checked the VAR monitor and ruled after seeing the slow motion.
2162  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 16, 2022, 10:56:19 AM
As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.

All of this would not have mattered if he had touched the ball; however, Likakovic made the incorrect calculation and ran out of his line to intercept the player rather than the ball. Alvarez was already moving quickly, and there was no way he could pass someone who had both feet pinned to the ground. It was a trap

We have different opinion and that's fine. But the fact remains that Orsato might have decided not to rule penalty for Argentina if he saw the situation on the VAR monitor. I guess the VAR was introduced to football because of that reason.
2163  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 16, 2022, 10:40:30 AM
But Livakovic never extend his leg to obstruct Alvarez movement. He positioned himself about one meter in front of Alvarez and stood still. The action was fast so it's hard to see it in live, but when you look at the slow motion, you can see it. And I'm not saying this to complain as a Croatia fan. I'm saying this because now we will never know if Orsato saw what happened and awarded penalty regardless or he didn't see it right. If he check the situation in slow motion on VAR monitor and still award the penalty, we all would accept it because it would mean that he saw exactly what happened and ruled it as a penalty.
I've been a Croatia fan since 2014 because of my admiration for Modric and Kovasic, as well as my crush on the formal President, and I have no doubt that was a penalty. From a neutral vantage point. Look at Livakovic's body movement and the ball's position.



Well, if you insist, this picture is when Alvarez already collided with Livakovic. This is a better view of this situation:



As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.
2164  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 16, 2022, 10:18:34 AM
@igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.
Everything happens through the earphones, and if the ref tells the VAR officials that he saw the situation clearly and made the correct decision, the VAR will accept it without hesitation because the field ref is superior. I believe that most of the time the ref is forced to look at the screen due to the players' pressure, and that most of the time after looking at the monitor, they stick to their initial decision not to appear stupid.


I understand that the field referee is superior in making decisions but that shouldn't be the case. If VAR was implemented in football so that field refs would make less mistakes, then they should have a possibility to make the field ref look at the situation on the VAR monitor. For me it still hurts that Orsato didn't watch the situation between Alvarez and Livakovic. When I saw the situation in live TV, it looked like a clear penalty. But when I saw it in slow motion, I'm not that sure anymore. Besides, like cryptofrka said, if Orsato watch the VAR monitor and still ruled it as a penalty, there probably wouldn't be that much of a problem. This way one can think that he saw the whole situation wrong, especially since he was quite far away in the field.

I agree that watching VAR would have cleared up some doubts, but I don't believe that particular incident required VAR assistance because a crash like that between players outside the box is always a foul. Livakovic committed two offenses: failing to catch the ball and extending his right leg to obstruct Alvarez's movement. Is there a perfect penalty in football in which both the loser and the winner agreed it was a penalty? No.

As a fan, whenever a penalty is awarded against my team, regardless of how soft or hard it is, I must find a way to complain, even if I know it was the correct call; that is what makes football beautiful. Cheesy

But Livakovic never extend his leg to obstruct Alvarez movement. He positioned himself about one meter in front of Alvarez and stood still. The action was fast so it's hard to see it in live, but when you look at the slow motion, you can see it. And I'm not saying this to complain as a Croatia fan. I'm saying this because now we will never know if Orsato saw what happened and awarded penalty regardless or he didn't see it right. If he check the situation in slow motion on VAR monitor and still award the penalty, we all would accept it because it would mean that he saw exactly what happened and ruled it as a penalty.
2165  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Candidates for the WORLD CUP 2022 Winner on: December 16, 2022, 09:36:05 AM
Morocco mostly defended in this world cup and played on counter attack and France did tacticly an amazing job thats why they easily won against them . Morocco got lucky to go this far and this is still a huge achievement for them on this world cup. France vs Argentina will be a good match and i honestly dont know who will win

I don't agree that France did an amazing job tactically. They were lucky that Morocco couldn't score even though they were really close. The difference between Morocco against France and Croatia against Argentina is that Morocco didn't fell apart after they conceded the first goal. They continued to attack, but unfortunately for them they couldn't score. Of course that attacks opened them to counter attacks from which France managed to score another goal. But who knows what would be if Morocco managed to score an equalizer. Croatia fell apart after that penalty and Argentina didn't have a hard time scoring another two goals.
2166  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 16, 2022, 09:29:09 AM
@igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.
Everything happens through the earphones, and if the ref tells the VAR officials that he saw the situation clearly and made the correct decision, the VAR will accept it without hesitation because the field ref is superior. I believe that most of the time the ref is forced to look at the screen due to the players' pressure, and that most of the time after looking at the monitor, they stick to their initial decision not to appear stupid.


I understand that the field referee is superior in making decisions but that shouldn't be the case. If VAR was implemented in football so that field refs would make less mistakes, then they should have a possibility to make the field ref look at the situation on the VAR monitor. For me it still hurts that Orsato didn't watch the situation between Alvarez and Livakovic. When I saw the situation in live TV, it looked like a clear penalty. But when I saw it in slow motion, I'm not that sure anymore. Besides, like cryptofrka said, if Orsato watch the VAR monitor and still ruled it as a penalty, there probably wouldn't be that much of a problem. This way one can think that he saw the whole situation wrong, especially since he was quite far away in the field.
2167  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 16, 2022, 09:17:41 AM

exactly, also in my opinion, for reasons of hunger, argentina has a better chance of winning, let's remember that this will probably be Messi's last world cup
that he arrived pissed off and aggressive, I think he wants to take him home (and he'd have to, poor Leo)
I support Argentina for this reason

Well, France also has players for which this World Cup will be their last, Giroud and Lloris will probably no longer play for the national team, and they would also like to win this final. Everyone only talks about Messi when talking about the Argentine team, and that's probably why many will support the Argentine team, but France has a lot of experience and surpasses Argentina in almost every position, so I think France has a better chance of winning, but I also would like, so that Messi can achieve his goal.

The only difference between Messi from Argentina and Giroud and Lloris from France is that France has won the last World Cup so their players already lifted the cup four years ago. This is the last chance for Messi to lift it up. But to me it's irrelevant whether Messi lifts the cup or not. With it our without it he is one of the best players in the history. Honestly I would rather see France lifting the cup because I don't like Argentina's players. When they were playing against Croatia they were constantly on the floor asking for a foul or if they fouled another player, they were wondering why the foul was awarded against Argentina. I know that it's part of the game, but they are really overdoing it.
2168  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: December 15, 2022, 01:02:49 PM
-snip
Ako je znao što se događa onda je pametan i spremio je nešto ukradene love negdje na sigurno. Ako stvarno nije znao što se događa onda je glup i vjerojatno stvarno nije spremio ništa od ukradene love. Ali u oba slučaja njegova odgovornost je ista.

potpuno se slazem, pri cemu mi deluje neverovatno da on nije znao nista

opet, ne znam sto je on u zatvoru, a Mashinsky iz Celsius platforme nije?

inace, izgleda da je interpol kontaktirao Srbiju, u vezi Do Kwon-a, koji je navodno boravio ovde, ali se cini da je pobegao preko granice, ne zna se tacno kuda, pa ako vidite nekog nalik na njega na ulici, nije nemoguce da je on

kripto verovatno izgleda kao komedija nekom sa strane u ovom trenutku

Meni se čini da kripto više izgleda kao divlji zapad nekom tko promatra sa strane. Vrijednosti kriptovaluta padaju i rastu kao lude, projekti rastu i propadaju preko noći, neki direktori propalih kripto burzi šeću okolo bez problema dok se druge uhiti... Stvarno strašno izgleda.
2169  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: December 15, 2022, 10:43:17 AM
Kada pročitate članak FTX stored private keys without encryption, the exchange's new chief said onda možda postaje jasnije kako je neko "hakirao" FTX u danima oko njihovog bankrota.

Novi direktor mjenačnice John Ray III je izjavio da je burza u vremenu Sam Bankman Frieda pohranjivala privatne ključeve od svojih kripto adresa na serverima bez ikakve enkripcije i zaštite. Takva praksa je omogučila da bilo tko od njihovih radnika koji ima pristup opremi ili nekom hakeru koji provali u sustav dobije pristup kriptovalutama vrijednim nekoliko stotina miliona dolara. John je također rekao da je osigurao i zaštitio preko $1 milijarde u kriptu kad je on postao izvršni direktor mjenačnice.

Nevjerovatno kakav je cirkus tamo bio.   

Stvarno cirkus samo takav. Meni je isto tako fascinantno da Alameda nije uopće mogla biti likvidirana na FTX burzi. Mislim da je to dovoljan dokaz da sve što se dogodilo nije nikakav plod slučajnosti ili nesretnih događaja nego je netko znao što radi. E sad je li to bio SBF ili netko drugi, vidjet ćemo. U svakom slučaju SBF kao vlasnik burze je najviše odgovoran. Ako je znao što se događa onda je pametan i spremio je nešto ukradene love negdje na sigurno. Ako stvarno nije znao što se događa onda je glup i vjerojatno stvarno nije spremio ništa od ukradene love. Ali u oba slučaja njegova odgovornost je ista.
2170  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 15, 2022, 10:10:16 AM
I think that France will defend it's world champion title. Argentina is a great team but I think that France is a better team. I know that the whole world want to see Messi lifting the cup but I think that Lloris will be the one who will lift the cup. Overall I think that France have showed much better performance than Argentina and they deserve to win the World Cup.
We can not know the better team until the final is played and the winner is known. World cup matches are not easy to predict. Morocco versus France is not even an easy match, Morocco played with more ball possession and both team have the same shots on target, just that the early goal scored is not easy for Morocco to equalized. I do not see anything more special about France that Argentina do not have in quality playing. Let us see what would happen, but I can not predict which country would win or not, the country that I wish to win is Morocco, but has been disqualified as France won yesterday.

Yeah, Morocco held the ball more in their possession against France but so did Croatia against Argentina. And Morocco attacked France more than Croatia attacked Argentina. Possession of the ball is just a statistical data and it doesn't show which team was better. And I didn't say that France will definitely win the final game. I just said that I think that France showed a better performance than Argentina in this World Cup. If nothing else, they beat England which is a very good team. Argentina is lucky that Croatia kicked Brazil out of the World Cup because it was much easier for them to win against Croatia than it would be to win against Brazil.
2171  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 15, 2022, 09:58:06 AM
The revenge mission will be carried out by Argentina, because what we know is that they lost in the round of 16 in 2018 to France, at that time France won over Argentina with a score of 4-3, and will meet again in this year's World Cup Final, of course not included.  Does it make sense, that these two countries will meet again in the Final Match, it is certainly difficult to predict bets, it is likely that France will win the World Cup again this year, hopefully this will happen because the French players are more everything than the Argentine players.

Of course, Argentina has a chance to win the final, let's not forget that the World Cup in Qatar was missed by such stars as Benzema, Pogba, Kante due to injuries, and with them the French national team would be an absolute favorite, but even now it looks harmonious and is a real contender for victory and Argentina will not have it easy.

I think that France will defend it's world champion title. Argentina is a great team but I think that France is a better team. I know that the whole world want to see Messi lifting the cup but I think that Lloris will be the one who will lift the cup. Overall I think that France have showed much better performance than Argentina and they deserve to win the World Cup.
2172  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2022 Discussion Thread on: December 15, 2022, 09:55:31 AM
France attacked more in the first half but Morocco tried hard to defend.  However, in the second half of the game, Morocco was repeatedly leaning towards the attack, but the French players were ready to stop the attack.  However, Morocco had a few chances but they couldn't hit the goal post.  I think Morocco still lacks experienced strikers to shoot good star goals.  Although there were many opportunities but the biggest pity was that Morocco could not capitalize on them.
Morocco didn't have an executor who can finish the midfielder job. When I look at how hard Ziyech tries to give a ball to the attacker but nothing person can execute it. So, I think after this match they have evaluated this when want to finish as 3rd champion. Croatia is one of the best teams in Europe, but when still didn't have an attacker to finish the job, Morocco will be finished on the 4th and back to home as a semifinalist only.

Morocco lost the match I think it is very sad for them. But Morocco played very well in the game but could not score any goals. Morocco tried hard to score but some of their players lost the match due to wrong decisions. Morocco played very well in previous matches.  But no one expected it to be dropped like this now.
Before the Moroccan players knew anything, France has score a goal within 5 minutes.  The Moroccan players were a bit broken and lost confidence in themselves and they couldn't score a goal despite a thousand tries. Finally they lost 2-0 to France with another goal. But even if they lost, it was a great achievement for them to reach the semi-finals.  got it  Then they will be able to play better in future matches

I was quite surprised by the game yesterday. I expected Morocco to focus mostly on defense but they very offensive oriented. Actually France was the defending team and Morocco was attacking much more. Unfortunately for them they couldn't score and that's why they will face Croatia in the bronze medal match and France will face Argentina in the gold medal match.
2173  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: December 14, 2022, 06:01:59 PM
One cannot escape Nature. 2 years backward, CR7 was every coach's desire when it comes to a successful game plan. He has been holding the reins in both club and the national team. And was accorded due respect and regard. But now, age is one of his main hurdles. The speed, the dribbling agility, and the goal-scoring capacity have all depreciated, but it seems CR7 is finding it difficult to accept this fact, perhaps he still feels he could deliver just like he always does in the past and as such, desiring to be featured in every match.  
My opinion is that, unless he accepts the aforementioned facts and makes adjustments, he will hardly escape his present career obstacles.
It will definitely be very difficult for players to accept what happened to them due to the unavoidable age. But we know that Cristiano Ronaldo is a player full of ambition to achieve what he wants, but now it is age that prevents him from achieving it.
We will see a few more seasons he will play football before he finally decides to retire. There is something more interesting to me than Cristiano Ronaldo, will his love for football be he will become a coach in the future or decide to completely quit anything related to football. We should wait.

This bold part is actually a very good question, not only for Ronaldo but for Messi also. Both of them are near the end of their careers. Financially they probably won't have to do anything else in their lives but the question remains will they be able to leave football for good.
2174  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 14, 2022, 05:58:17 PM
Last night I watched in disbelief that Croatia would lose easily against Argentina, an absolute victory for Argentina since the first round match and it was very difficult to pursue because the ball possession was completely controlled by the Argentinian players. Argentina against France is everyone's dream final, while Argentina against Morocco is a new final for everyone. Apart from all that, I hope Argentina can win the world cup this time and of course as a good career ending for Lionel Messi.

Yeah, it's surprising that Croatia was able to defeat Brazil but couldn't beat Argentina. Anyway, if we compare the remaining teams, France seems to be the favorite, and I think they have a good chance of winning this World Cup. At the same time, France shouldn't underestimate its upcoming opponent because Moroccan players have already proven that they can beat such strong teams as Spain and Portugal.

If you follow Croatia more closely, you wouldn't be that surprised. I'm Croatian so I always follow our national team matches. The problem with Croatian national team is that they tend to fall apart in situations like yesterday's penalty and especially after the second goal. After that goal it was pretty much all over for Croatia. They tried attacking more in the beginning of the second half but that only opened them to Argentina's counter attacks which resulted in the third goal. Luckily there weren't more goals scored by Argentina because that would make very hard for a Croatian team to rise up for the bronze medal match.

I think that Morocco is more dangerous for France than Croatia was for Argentina. They play super defensive football. It's not easy to attack against a team that is concentrated only on defense. However, one goal in Morocco's net should be enough reason for them to open up and then I guess we will watch an interesting match.
2175  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 14, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
Actually I expected more from Luka Modric. His leadership role as Croatian team's captain is unquestionable but I expected more from him. He is fighting, returning to help defense, but offensively he should have give more. He produced far less of his famous passes than I expected. But the team plays much better with him playing than when he is benched. This will not only be the last World Cup but probably the last games that he plays for the national team. I don't think that he announced it yet but I think he will not play for the Croatian team after the World Cup. Luckily Croatia already found a replacement for him in the middle of the field - Lovro Majer. He is still young but he started to improve his skills after he left Dinamo Zagreb.
Luka still showed his best actually, but didn't meet good forwards to match him during this world cup, unlike in 2018 when Mandzukic and Rebic were around him. Regarding his age, yeah I think it could be his last game for national team. Majer is still far away to replace him, but let's see his improvement for next 4 years.

Yeah, I didn't mean that Majer will immediately replace Modric in the team. I just said that even after Modric leaves the national team, Croatia will still have a decent midfielder from who can be expected to improve his performance.
2176  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 14, 2022, 11:58:13 AM
I expected Croatia to play better in attack, but it was not their day. Messi still reaches the final, the expectations of many regarding Argentina come true. Today, France is likely to stop Morocco, the semi-finals and the match for third place with Croatia is already a great achievement for them, and France will be a worthy opponent for Argentina in the final.

I agree that Croatia played pretty good. The only problem is that there was no one to score a goal. And Argentina let Croatia control the ball and then scored goals from counter attacks. As a Croatian I'm not that sad that my team lost. Argentina was a better team and they won. Even if without penalty I think that Argentina would have won the game. Now we have to see who will face Croatia in the battle for the bronze medal and who will face Argentina in the fight for the gold medal.

And i agree with you. Initially I thought that Argentina would immediately press in the early minutes with high intensity. however, the scenario that occurs is different. like you said, Argentina allowed Croatia to have the ball. they relied on counterattacks, and yes Argentina opened up their advantage from the penalty spot.

Regardless of Argentina's victory in this semifinal match. I just want to highlight the captain of the Croatian national team, Luca Modric. he always performs optimally in every match, especially during the Qatar world cup and considering he is 37 years old. but he still performed brilliantly, with the captain's armband. We must give the highest appreciation for his role with the Croatian national team, with the extraordinary performance he presented to football lovers. he's also not only important in his club, but with his national team as well. maybe this world cup will be the last for him, so I will fully support Luca Modric in the fight for the bronze medal.


Actually I expected more from Luka Modric. His leadership role as Croatian team's captain is unquestionable but I expected more from him. He is fighting, returning to help defense, but offensively he should have give more. He produced far less of his famous passes than I expected. But the team plays much better with him playing than when he is benched. This will not only be the last World Cup but probably the last games that he plays for the national team. I don't think that he announced it yet but I think he will not play for the Croatian team after the World Cup. Luckily Croatia already found a replacement for him in the middle of the field - Lovro Majer. He is still young but he started to improve his skills after he left Dinamo Zagreb.

Yesterday game was supposed to be a tough one but ended up one sided and really boring for some Croatian fans . Today's game is expected to be a thrilling one as France is on top of thier game and they play aggressively like morocco both have same type of technique and strategies to win their game to let's wait for a tough fight tonight .

I'm not expecting a thrilling game today. Morocco's style is defense only. They are not trying to attack their opponent at all. Only when some loose ball gets picked up by their forward players, they try to attack. I'm expecting that France will hold the possession and Morocco to defend their goal.
2177  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2022 Discussion Thread on: December 14, 2022, 11:21:19 AM
And finally Argentina got very clean win in World Cup semifinals. Well I expected a lot more from Croatia. I expected them to resist and bite - meaning they wouldn't easily concede a goal and even if they do they would reply back. But my guess was wrong. Argentina dominated the match. Argentina can easily beat Morocco too if they play like yesterday night against them. But France? Its very hard to say same thing.
Argentina deserves a victory when facing Croatia because of playing pretty well, while Croatia lost his touch in building attacks, Luka Modric could not control the match, because Argentina played sufficient differentiation in all positions. Two goals in the first round made Croatian defense lose control, no measurable pass from Croatia and Croatian defense was not coordinated, although statistically Croatia dominated the ownership of the ball, but failed to create opportunities to score goals.

Croatia held the ball because Argentina let them control it. Argentina put some pressure on the player with the ball but they quickly created an attack and finished it.

Julian Alvarez was the best player in the match, but Lionel Messi became an important player for Argentina's victory. France is a balanced opponent for Argentina in the final, because in terms of the quality of their players they are almost close and hope to win the match against Maroco.

I'm not sure that I agree with Alvarez being the best player. They scored two goals but actually Messi is the one who was creating chaos in Croatia's defense.
2178  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 14, 2022, 10:28:54 AM
At first I also thought that it's a straight up penalty without a doubt. But when I saw a slow motion, I wasn't that sure anymore. It's true that Livakovic did come in contact with Alvarez, but he spread out his legs and arms in order to defend his goal. He didn't make a move to make a foul on Alvarez. It was basically a collision. I'm not sure that a team should be awarded a penalty after a collision. But even if that penalty wasn't awarded to Argentina, I think they would have won. They were a better team and that's it. They deserved to advance to the finals.

Now I kind of hope that Morocco will advance to the finals and that Croatia will face France in the match for the bronze medal. That would give Croatia an opportunity to get a payback for the loss in the final game of the 2018 World Cup. Besides, I think that Morocco style of play doesn't suit Croatia. Croatia plays much better with teams that are not concentrated solely on defense.
But to be honest, that wasn't a penalty at tall. It's was a collision as you said. This is a contact game, where on earth did the referrer wanted the Croatia keeper to fall? It's wasn't intentional foul. It's hurt to see how some referee messing a big match like that. After the penalty Croatia team was emotionally drained their game changed to worse. And Argentina took advantage of their emotion imbalance to deal with them. Argentina was better in the game than Croatia yesterday. Infact it was a pay back of what Croatia did to Argentina in 2018 world cup. Croatia defeated Argentina by 3 goals to nil in the group stage.

Morocco vs France game is unpredicted to me, let's hope for a tough game ahead.

Finally someone agrees with me Smiley But I don't think that the first goal was the one that knocked Croatian players out. I think that was the second goal after which they never recovered.

I hope that Morocco vs France game will be nice to watch. I don't like Morocco's games because they rarely attack.
2179  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 14, 2022, 10:06:36 AM
The penalty is not clear, it is at least debatable. Livaković has both feet on the ground and yes, he is kinda making a forward movement with his body but it is Alvarez who is trying to go through Livaković - which is not allowed if he has feet on the floor. The problem is Livaković's leg that is stretched out, which at first glance indicates a clear penalty. However, if you look at it closely you see that he's allowed to do it.
I'm not saying 'it was never a penalty'. It has elements that you can use to award it, but my general feel is that it was given too easily. We have seen worse penalties given in this WC though, and we should have reacted way better than we did after it was awarded.

I'm way more angry about the way we conceded the 2nd goal.

Livakovic's only offense was not making contact with the ball, which is where the rules state it is a penalty. If you must approach a striker on a 1-on-1 situation, always make sure you don't miss the ball no matter how soft the situation was as long as you had zero contact with the ball it is a foul. This occurs frequently outside of the box, and it is always a foul.

The second goal was the most shittest brilliant goal ever, with the ball being lost twice in 10 seconds and recovered twice back to him by the defenders. It was just a bad night for the Croatians; they were caught in four dangerous situations. Even the tournament's best young defender, was having difficulty dealing with Messi.

At first I also thought that it's a straight up penalty without a doubt. But when I saw a slow motion, I wasn't that sure anymore. It's true that Livakovic did come in contact with Alvarez, but he spread out his legs and arms in order to defend his goal. He didn't make a move to make a foul on Alvarez. It was basically a collision. I'm not sure that a team should be awarded a penalty after a collision. But even if that penalty wasn't awarded to Argentina, I think they would have won. They were a better team and that's it. They deserved to advance to the finals.

Now I kind of hope that Morocco will advance to the finals and that Croatia will face France in the match for the bronze medal. That would give Croatia an opportunity to get a payback for the loss in the final game of the 2018 World Cup. Besides, I think that Morocco style of play doesn't suit Croatia. Croatia plays much better with teams that are not concentrated solely on defense.
2180  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 14, 2022, 09:53:47 AM
I expected Croatia to play better in attack, but it was not their day. Messi still reaches the final, the expectations of many regarding Argentina come true. Today, France is likely to stop Morocco, the semi-finals and the match for third place with Croatia is already a great achievement for them, and France will be a worthy opponent for Argentina in the final.

I agree that Croatia played pretty good. The only problem is that there was no one to score a goal. And Argentina let Croatia control the ball and then scored goals from counter attacks. As a Croatian I'm not that sad that my team lost. Argentina was a better team and they won. Even if without penalty I think that Argentina would have won the game. Now we have to see who will face Croatia in the battle for the bronze medal and who will face Argentina in the fight for the gold medal.
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