Guys, when you say coin X or Y is more profitable than merged folding, is it really a lot more of $$/year compared to CURE + FLDC + MAGICFLDC (=>SpellsOfGenesis Cards) + other episodic tokens?
Because if it's just a few tens of bucks per year, okay those coins are indeed more profitable in absolute terms with your config, but merged folding would have helped science for only a small loss of profit for you...
I don't think anyone (myself included) ever calculates more than just FLDC and/or CURE. SOG is improbable to calculate* and MAGICFLDC + others are usually considered "extras" because of the small market. *I've still yet to have anyone tell/show me how to sell these cards. |
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...To the other person claiming that 1080s are better in the long run - perhaps if you have VERY expensive electric cost, but their price differential vs their performance makes it take a VERY long time for them to even think about managing that if so - and in the mean time the 10-20% more PPD that the same $$$ amount spent on 1070 based systems is churning out more than makes up the small difference in electric cost *FOR ME*.
I do concede that it's closer than the "raw cost" of just the cards would suggest - but I've always done my figuring on estimated *total system* cost/performance/operating cost, and 1080s have NEVER won on such a comparison - FOR ME.
Ignoring the electric difference (~$15.77 USD per year for *total system* @ $0.01 per kWh): GTX 1070Cost: ~$400 USD PPD: 600,000 FLDC per month: 12,000 - ~$14.72 USD CURE per month: 787 - ~$35.43 USD Purchase ROI: ~8 months "raw cost" per card Yearly Revenue: ~$599 USD GTX 1080Cost: ~$600 USD PPD: 800,000 FLDC per month: 16,000 - ~$19.29 USD CURE per month: 1050 - ~$47.25 USD Purchase ROI: ~9 months "raw cost" per card Yearly Revenue: ~$798 USD The only way 1070 tops 1080 is with a constrained initial "budget" where one would be buying 6x1070 vs 4x1080; however, in that narrow of a constraint, ROI isn't an actual concern (as it's trumped by initial purchase limitations). *total system* revenue of 6 cards is 1070 ~$3,593.48 per year and 1080 ~$4,791.31 per year. |
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...Ignorance is bliss after all  Glad to know you'll stay blissful. |
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Lol that's fine I know how it works and I have done the math. It would take almost two years for a 1080 system to pull ahead of a 1070 system in profitability with a budget of $2600 up front...In my case if I were to buy them and THEN do the math I would end up with buyer's remorse.
Your math is way off and I'm not sure how greater ROI would give you "buyer's remorse", but I wish you all the happiness one can muster in your endeavors. |
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@bardacuda
I'm too lazy to explain to you the math behind why 1060s aren't even an option for a full rig, or how ROI works, or why (at the time of this posting) there isn't a 10xx card under $1,000p/card that beats a 1080 (even with free electric).
I wish you the best in whatever your choice is.
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1080 is greater, sure, but it also costs $800 CAD vs. $550 CAD for a 1070. Pretty sure there's almost no situation where it's 45% faster.
When you do the math of what it does vs what it costs to do it, it makes the 1080 cheaper (in the long run) every time. "Faster" isn't all that matters, think watts per unit. |
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I had half a mind to get some 1070s but I just don't want to be pigeonholed into folding or the fewer algos where nvidia makes sense...
There's almost no situation (folding or mining) where a 1070>180. If you go for NV, got 1080. |
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No, that's what got me to post here. SOGassets says I have cards X, Y, and Z; however, Counterwallet shows no such thing (hence the need for going to SOGassets to see the cards to begin with) |
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OK, so since I am different kind of nerd and not a card playing nerd...
How does one relieve one's self of these cards?
So, no one knows what to do with these things?  |
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I'd recommend against updating S9v1 units to the autofrequency firmware as it seems to increase hardware failure.
Even Bitmain now states the following:
* Attention: do not use this fw on old S9 miners with fixed frequency.
and have put up older fixed frequency firmware - which I'm pretty sure is still v1 on the bmminer.
There's a distinct chance that the posting of that by Bitmain has more to do with dealing with people (and their inexperience issues) than issues with actual rigs. |
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And with the current price surge, stand by for another large increase in team PPD.
8-O
I'm adding ~1.6 million PPD on Thursday  |
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...He cancelled my access to the ckpool git that has more code in it by me than by him.
He cancelled my write access to cgminer.
He removed my op privs in the #ckpool channel and #cgminer channel ....
Don't you just hate it when someone abuses their abilities like that. Pot, meet Kettle |
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OK, so since I am different kind of nerd and not a card playing nerd...
How does one relieve one's self of these cards?
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Going to be a lot this time. I think 100% ROI on my 3rd S9 is not going to happen. I still have 1.64 BTC to earn back on just that unit. Getting less than .01 per day average. Seems unlikely. I did ROI on the 1st one and the 2nd one will in another couple of months so that's something.
While I realize that many can't afford do so, this is why one should buy as many at once as possible (no matter what the preferential brand). If the ROI time on 1 is x, then the ROI time on 3 at once is still x; however, if you wait for x to expire than the ROI time is 3x. |
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LOL I hope no one here listened to "a guy" 59.37 %
Last 10 Blocks
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Last 250 Blocks Kano, I still can't put into PG words what I think of you personally, but you run a good pool. Cheers! |
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Blocktastic! Glad we're all smart enough not to listen to "a guy"...  Best reply ever |
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quick question -are you the fellow folding as penny something? There is a big folder out there that is not merge folding and they are missing out on ~2x profit...
To clear this up further, if you look at the amount of people that have switched to merge folding with FLDC + XCP assets there is definantly a drive for profit. The simple little calculator does not include the spells of genesis collection I earned or Scottcoins / powcoins / pepecash was a recent bonus etc etc... My spells of genesis collection alone has probably paid for months of my folding (if I sell this sweet dragon I got). Anyways on the other side of that there are some folders that would be folding less probably with their outdated equipment but would be folding even if curecoin did not exist. About 1 year ago Id say was when we had the highest amount of non profit seeking folders. By looking at the amount of merge folders though you can see the profit seeking is gaining popularity in folding (which was what we have been aiming for of course). -- Simple answer, its still mixed but more are seeking profits lately
No, I'm ComputerGenie with a few letters missing because of the addy limitations. I'm not one of the "big" folders (although in the top 400), just a single GTX1080; however, I do merge with the "ALL". Although FLDC and mixed bag of "junk" aren't much per month, it does add up over time. My main income is running my ASICs, which are far less profitable on Curecoin than folding is (and I'm guessing that's by design). That being said there's still profit to be made mining as well as folding (not Bill Gates size scratch, but profit is profit). |
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...CURECOIN folders, however, with very few exceptions (EdOkkada for example apparently donates all of his coin recieved, but my research shows he's not exactly poor) are in fact folding for profit, or at least for enough $$ to pay the electric bill...
As the single largest Curecoin ASIC miner, and folding ~11 million PPM, I'd have to say you are sadly misinformed (that or you're talking to/about those that would seek to fold with outdated equipment that isn't even strong enough to play most new games, musch less fold/mine). |
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LOL Slush shows Last 50 Blocks @ 87.51 % of expected
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