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2181  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (SHARE) Hati-hati dengan Penipu yg ingin membeli token ico sebelm list di Market on: September 20, 2019, 01:24:47 PM
Di comment saya sebelumnya saya hanya menyimpulkan saja dengan apa yang saya lihat di thread local Indonesia ini dalam beberapa bulan terakhir dan mungkin masih ada kaitannya dengan thread ini. Seperti beberapa thread dibawah ini,

1. Scammer merajalela. Hati2 jangan tergiur.

2. Hati-hati FAKE App Mobile Latoken (SCAM!!)

3. [SHARE] Exchange Vaultmex SCAM!  

4. Salah Satu Percobaan Scam/Phising di Telegram?

5. [INFO]HATI-HATI DENGAN WEBSITE SCAM MENGATASNAMAKAN ICO TELEGRAM

Seharusnya beberapa hal tersebut sudah bisa dijadikan sebagai acuan bagi para member crypto khususnya di Indonesia. Iya, memang realistis bagi para investor yang ingin mendapatkan profit yang besar cuma harus dipikirkan terlebih dahulu resiko yang akan di hadapi. Saya hanya menekankan saja sepertinya Indodax adalah tempat terbaik untuk berinvestasi. Dan menyarankan untuk tidak mengeluarkan uang di beberapa tempat yang belum jelas legitimasi nya.


2182  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (SHARE) Hati-hati dengan Penipu yg ingin membeli token ico sebelm list di Market on: September 19, 2019, 03:21:11 PM
Sebenarnya untuk mengatasi scam atau berbagai penipuan yang sering terjadi di industri cryptocurrency sangatlah mudah. Seseorang hanya cukup dengan membuat akun indodax (yang paling mudah di akses dan mempunyai cara yang paling mudah pula untuk melakukan deposit) lalu pick beberapa coin yang menurutnya akan memberikan dia keuntungan di masa yang akan datang sudah urusan selesai, tidak akan ada lagi kasus kasus penipuan.

Menanggapi beberapa kasus yang menawarkan investasi dengan profit yang tinggi, minta tolong untuk melakukan deposit dimana kita harus mengirim bitcoin/altcoin dan lain sebagainya sudah biarkan saja. Mereka (penipu) akan terus melakukan hal tersebut ketika ada seseorang yang melayani kalau tidak mereka akan lelah sendiri. Tapi yang sulit itu mindset kita terhadap investasi, seseorang selalu mempunyai ambisi yang besar untuk merubah keadaan ekonominya 100% hanya dalam beberapa sehingga mereka melupakan beberapa aspek yang penting dan memilih jalan pintas yang tidak jelas sumbernya.
2183  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is this the reason why Dogecoin price rise today? on: September 19, 2019, 02:48:30 PM
Because of that tweets, the doge coin price increase? I don't think so,. Even without the good news about Doge, it can increase the price anytime.
Nope, I wouldn't agree with you. If there is no information which related to the coin then the price will not increase even its price will continue to down cause it seems like there is no an update for the coin and the developer are leaving the coin, most users will have a thought like that IMO.

So, I agree if this situation/information is something who made dogecoin has meet an increasing price. You have to know the user of cryptocurrency will not put their all capital in one coin such as bitcoin but they will share it to some altcoins or they are waiting against some information who comes especially the information who come from some developer coin who has listed on the exchange.
2184  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Successful bounty projects on: September 19, 2019, 02:38:05 PM
I haven’t heard much about any of these bounties and haven’t participated that much but I sure have heard about Xcrypt, and only have heard bad about it. It is no way a successful project; many people are complaining about it that after doing bounty campaigns they didn’t get the reward.
Just end up like that, although we have confident that team is legit and the project token has an asset to be a good project and be useful in the cryptosphere but we don't know when they make a promoting thru bounty campaign will give a high profit for bounty hunter.

It could be the manager bounty campaign is not an honest person so as he takes all of funds and go away, yeah I have seen it in several cases. Or even there are some cases that is happening until now that the bounty manager is changing the rule to cut a fund for distributed to bounty hunter.
2185  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lets think Bitcoin as an investment not payment system, is this right? on: September 19, 2019, 02:20:22 PM
I think the electricity is the most factor that the citizen of China have a majority being a miner of bitcoin rather than the other countries. As for the using of bitcoin being an investment has been done by most bitcoin users, they have thought like that since the bitcoin price is so volatile rather than the other investment. Someone can increase their money in overnight if the price is increasing but it is otherwise when its price going down.

Other than that the government of China still ban bitcoin as payment system so as the user will have a little chance to make transaction through bitcoin. Even, there are many information who tell that the government of china will make their money based on blockchain and their plans can be said uniquely because they will send the money to some merchants who has popular in their country such as Alibaba etc.
2186  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: how to detect desperate Developers and scammers on: September 18, 2019, 01:11:37 PM
Seriously I just confused with the number four, is there any altcoin who launched by binance exchange who end up in scam? If there is, could you mind to mentioned it?

Since I know binance exchange is one of reputable exchange on this industry and most people will compete to store their money if binance exchange will lounch the new token/coin such as through an IEO at this time.

Indeed, the place of investment will not offer huge amount of profit in overnight or even with the specified time. At some cases there is many investor who lose their money because they get an offer from some people who revealing that he is an expert of cryptocurrency, whilst it's just a hoax.
2187  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Crypto Marketet Is Dumping Drastically !! on: September 18, 2019, 11:29:24 AM
All influenced by demand, this is the difference between crypto and other commodities. Prices can change quickly even become worthless.
It should be understood before making any investment in crypto or trading crypto.
This is why the investor should be aware of altcoin, most of them especially new altcoin will have a high gain in the start but after that will come to an end in lose. I just thinking that investing on altcoin is really feasible for short term investment such as in an IEO project.

Give me just one altcoin that successful on the IEO and now the investor still gain profit? I guess it just a few even less. Yeah, I'll agree if most investor only choose bitcoin or some altcoin which are in the top position because it can be guarantee you will get a profit or at least you will not get a lot of losses.
2188  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Cryptocurrencies are not harmful for economy on: September 18, 2019, 11:20:07 AM
Yeah it is a long time ago but now I guess there is a few countries even we can say it below five countries who still ban bitcoin in every purpose. Actually, for those people who still ban cryptocurrencies they still have a chance to invest in since investment in cryptocurrency we don't some parties to start in. They just make an exchange such as binance exchange and they can deposit through it and they start investing.

Even, I just thinking that this situation will take a short time and the government will regulate it sooner. Other than that, we can see more countries who has decided to ban cryptocurrency but now they try to regulate it with more supervision. It is not bad, because me myself is agreeing that the using of cryptocurrency need a more supervision from the government. At least it will make them aware to create a lot of innovation through this technology.
2189  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: i failed in day trading on: September 18, 2019, 05:09:30 AM
iv'e given up trading mostly because im bad at it :x, i should get back in the saddle though. looks like its about time.
How many trade did you make in one day?

Most trader who given up and decide to get out of it are day trader as far as I know. They make a bunch of entry in one day and use the same strategy in whole their trade and it is not good in my opinion.

Maybe you have to try being weekly trader because it is not really make you confuse. Even, when you got lost and you will make an evalution carefully of it and you will avoid it when you trade again.

Yeah, I think an evalution is most important thing that must be done by all traders. Because in my perspective having a bunch of strategies for a trader is not an important thing. But, they have enough to have one strategy and they overcome it.
2190  Economy / Speculation / Re: We are about to hit 8K and below...soon (see charts) on: September 18, 2019, 04:55:29 AM
If really go to $8000, people can accumulate more. I think if people really have positive sight for bitcoin in future, dumped price will be something that can help them buy in cheap price. Although some other people is panic, i still believe if out there a lot of people still think positive about bitcoin especially when halving come, with price dumped they will buy more and hold.
Speculation is indeed will affect bitcoin price in the future but it is not guarantee IMHO. Although you have a convince that the speculation will come then you need to compare with another speculation. I have done it sometimes before I decide to hold my bitcoin until the halving event come.

I mean if there is some speculation such this thread who deem that bitcoin will goes down then I will looking for another speculation. So, I just have conclusion that speculation who based by technical analyst it will have 40% that the speculation. But if there is some speculation who based by fundamental analyst I'll put 60% that the prediction will happen. And you can see the answer now, bitcoin price hasn't reach 8k or below of it price so far. Bitcoin price just touch $9000 as the lower price.
2191  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Privacy coins getting delisted on: September 17, 2019, 01:07:58 PM
The government just seek the bad side on the something that they aren't really knows. Whilst, the using of their money fiat is something that more dangerous rather than cryptocurrency. Because they can be able to know what has done by their citizen such as through KYC, they can make a provision to all exchanges who run on the country and every user must pass the KYC before they make a transaction.

This is not a bad news in my point of view, but it is just a knowledge side. If you wonder to active on this forum then this case will be taken as an ordinary thing. And I just thinking if there is a bad news who come from the government then I won't take it seriously because it's just a satire. But when I found a good news such as they will accept cryptocurrency or they will make a start-up based on blockchain technology I'll take it seriously.
2192  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Did gambling affected your personal reputation? on: September 17, 2019, 12:49:17 PM
Everyone stating that gambling will affect someone's image in the society so this is actually happened with you?

For me it happened once why are you gambling its a sin in our life I replied its my wish I can do what ever I wanted.

Yes, that happened to me once in the past. But at that time I was still young and didn't really care about other people's views. Btw, since I was growing up, I realized that people's views of us are important. I no longer expose my gambling activities so that no one else will know. I keep my habit a secret.
Just online gambling who will make ourselves secretly. I've been two years to playing gambling and there is no one who knows that I like gamble, especially my family. Yeah you are right the perspective of other people is as a banchmark we live and socializing, moreover if we live in the country who have a view that gambling is dangerous thing. Most of them will avoid us and we just make a friend with another gambler.
2193  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are we really investing in bitcoin? on: September 17, 2019, 12:24:34 PM
Is the service and profitability, even if bitcoin is highly volatile, are the only two reasons why bitcoin is attractive to investors? Any good opinions or answers? Thanks
For the first time I picked bitcoin as my side income I was thinking that bitcoin will help people to manage their assets or money by themselves. There is no anyone who manage your asset as a third party, because I just know when I store my money as a saving place then they can use my money such as a debt tool and I don't like that way.

So as I tried to find more about bitcoin in many sources and I gave an enlightenment until I store my money on it and thus far I'm still satisfied of it. As for profitablity concern you can search on the google by yourself. Find more the movement price of the bitcoin price from time to time and it should make you aware that bitcoin is a profitable place.
2194  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bad Devs and CEOs on: September 17, 2019, 11:57:21 AM
Most your statement can I understand easily but I still doubt with the reality that has happened to you, could you give the name one of the team that you mean here? It will be good for us to know more and take an example or even an experience of yours. Because I'm still palpate, is the teams that you mean are who success to lounch their project until their coins has been listed on the exchange but the token/coin price decreased a lot in end up? that is just my point. There is a lot of altcoins who meet decreasing price when they are success listed on some exchanges and I feel if the team still trying to make an update for their project it seems like it is not scam but it is just their investor find another coins who has an opportunity to gain a lot of profit.
2195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Day Trading for a Living? on: September 17, 2019, 11:42:12 AM
Being a day trader is really difficult indeed, someone just make a confusing strategy and they will repeat again and again. Yeah most of them will choose the same strategy when they start, it has happened in my whole life long time ago until I decided another strategy and choose weekly trader or come in when I believe there is a good time to start.

For the first time is indeed I decided to make day trading as my source income because I have read a lot of experiences from another trader which I deemed they are an expert in trading field. But it was wrong after I got lost a much rather than I got profit. That article can be made as a reference for those people who still assume that trading is promising place as their source income.
2196  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If I want to start a business in gambling, which country do I choose? on: September 16, 2019, 02:49:14 PM
If we talk not about online casinos, but about real ones, then there is no better place than Las Vegas in the world. It is possible that not everyone will agree with this, but It is the world capital of the gambling business. For online it does not matter where you are. The only thing that matters is licensing.
Give me an enlightenment if you can, which place must be visited to get the license for someone who intend to create a gambling place? It will be very useful if you share it especially for those people who didn't know it.

Since the gambling site who came to an end with scam then tge license is the most important thing should be owned by the owner. And at least it will give a convince for those gambler and they will playing at the gambling place easily.
2197  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I Sold 2BTC at $3,000 and BTC Bumped to $10,000 on: September 16, 2019, 02:30:35 PM
Unfortunately we have the same story. But i sold mine with x4 profit so not bad at all on my side. No one knew that Bitcoin will ever take peak. So take it as a lesson, Weak hands will never win the battle lol
There is some analyst for you to know that bitcoin price will increase. Just take a look at the history of it, and find some reasons who made its price went up then you will know bitcoin price will increase and you will sell at the peak. Also, don't use your greedy thing to control yourself, if you have got a profit and you have satisfied then sell it quickly, just remember bitcoin price is so volatile. I guess the price of bitcoin will increase again in a few months a head. Moreover the halving event is the most important thing that should be known by all investors. With this way you will get profit at the end and now this is a good time to start again.
2198  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: September 16, 2019, 02:14:35 PM
Kalau menurut penerawangan mbah sih awal tahun ga akan nyampe ke $400  Roll Eyes
Kayanya agan ini terlalu fokus pada bounty campaign hingga tidak tau perkembangan harga bitcoin. FYI harga $400 dicapai bitcoin pada awal tahun 2013 namun itu hanya bersambung dalam beberapa bulan saja karena pada November 2013 harga bitcoin naik ke harga sekitar $1200.

Untuk tahun 2019 sendiri saya mempunyai prediksi harga bitcoin bisa melewati harga $20.000 karena saya melihat pada sisi fundamental. Seperti bakkt yang akan diluncurkan pada bulan ini, halving event pada Mei 2020 nanti dan beberapa adopsi yang dilakukan oleh sebagian perusahaan yang menerima pembayaran bitcoin, saya kira itu adalah nilai plus yang bisa membuat harga bitcoin kembali naik.
2199  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Holding Altar coins seems foolish ? on: September 15, 2019, 02:06:46 PM
Cry I had some investment. What I understand in a short period of trading.Altar coins are foolish to hold long.Whenever I hold coins, I lose.Is there any way to get rid of it? If you know please be benefited.
I had bought an altcoin when the first time I came across to this industry and thus far I never get any profit from it. Actually I bought an altcoin which is not in the top position I don't know if I bought the top altcoin such as ETH. I had found interesting increase when the price cryptocurrencies went up but I choose the long term strategy at that time, yeah I know it was the mistake thing that I made and now I'm really regreted it.

So I just thinking the safes way to invest in altcoins only short term investment even when I took investing in an IEO I always choose short term investment even when its token has listed on the exchange which is mean the IEO event is come to an end I'll sell them immediately although I got a small profit such 2x return of investment but I always be greatfull of it.
2200  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Penjualan GRAM (telegram token) di tokenomy exchange launchpad on: September 15, 2019, 03:51:22 AM
ini kok beda yah nama gram dan TOn jelasnya nama tokennya apa y yang ane temukan TOn telegram open network
GRAM itu nama koin dari Telegram Open Network ( TON ) gan yang asli kemaren dijual di Liquid kalo selain itu saya gatau itu asli atau bukan
Penjelasan mengenai TON (Telegram Open Network) silahkan dibaca di artikel ini https://blockchainmedia.id/yes-kode-full-node-blockchain-ton-telegram-versi-testnet-sudah-tersedia/ memang setiap altcoin ada yang memiliki jaringan blockchain nya sendiri dan ada juga yang memakai platform lain seperti yang masih ramai digunakan yaitu ERC 20 atau ETH.

Mengenai penjualan Gram token memang masih sedikit misterius dikarenakan CEO dari telegram itu sendiri masih belum memberikan statement sedikitpun tentang penjualan tokennya. Namun sejauh yang saya tau setiap plafrom yang menjual Gram token adalah mereka yang masih mempunyai asosiasi dengan telegram. Seperti liquid yang mengaku bahwa ia adalah sebagai holder terbesar token Gram di asia.
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