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I can take in charge Twitter, FB, Reddit (and it would be a good thing because I plan on doing giveaways so we can gain followers and all)
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Quote from the old thread. Great m4nki!
So,
Croxx: 50k
Me: 30k
Toto31: 10k
m4nki: 1k
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91k
+I'm adding ~10k for giveaways throughout the next months.
Services:
website, me
block explorer, me?
German translations, m4nki
People who where ready to give, do you still agree with a new dev team? |
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Good move tx42!
Old dev cannot be trusted. With 250k, he had more than enough to bring this coin to moon. Even today, it's more than 10% of total coin. He just screwed up everything.
Now let's try to be constructive.
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A website? Jesus.. is that Your recipe for a successfull launch? No time to argument this.
The recipe, no! An ingredient, certainly! I helps build trust. It helps being listed on exchanges, Poloniex for example. Quote from Poloniex websiteHow can I get a coin listed on Poloniex?You can submit your request using our Coin Request Form. Poloniex reviews coin submissions and makes decisions based on several criteria. Where applicable, a coin must have: A block explorer A website A unique genesis block A compiled wallet We also conduct a thorough code review before a coin is added on our exchange. In addition, we like to see evidence of the developers' dedication to the project, community interest, and above all else, innovation. If you feel your coin is truly innovative, we want to hear about it. Poloniex never requests payments to list coins. If you are contacted by any party soliciting payments while claiming to represent Poloniex, please notify us at contact@poloniex.com immediately. |
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Dumped the premine once? are you crazy? Look at the value shift had and imagine me paying the other core members, design, hosting and the block explorer. The block explorer was like 10% of all the premine. Do not come up with bullshit that you can not back up.
Well, "dumped" may not be the best term, but still. You had been launching a coin without a website, and you expected it to gain value? Come on! Do things the right way! You first launch a coin AND a website, then it gains value, not the other way. |
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I will get back in this thread tomorrow with a list of stuff i need help with. The reason is that i trust them (the former team members) fully. But that does not mean that we cant establish a new core team. They probably do not want to join anyway.
What the community needs to decide is;
Relaunch shift 2.0 or keep the current one. And if we keep the current one, how much funding can be collected.. I guess most people will not donate, allthough i see some very nice people currently speaking.
I'm totally against a Shift 2.0 personally. It's like creating a new coin, and/or add complexity to this one for the simple purpose of having a new premine. And how do you expect people to trust in you after having dumped yours once? I would not invest a single penny in your next project if you leave this one. Also I invested in Shift because of its scarcity. What's the point if all is diluted into more coins? You want to be paid for your work, and that's ok, but you have to deserve it. |
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As i have stated, and people called me a whiner, is that the 250K premine was a problem from the start. We have ran out of funds a long time ago. EXP had 11 million premine which is held by the developers, ONLY. This is an incentive to continue development, Right now i do not have one, i can not even afford to pay for hosting of servers, a block explorer. Nothing. I can not pay any co-developers, i can not pay the designer.
The community wanted a very low premine, so i made a low one. 250 K. It lasted a month.
This is no whining, only the truth. I can make a new genesis block and start over... sure.
No new genesis block, we will build on what we have. The fact there's no longer a premine make it a very sane coin now. You have an incredible occasion to show you were genuine in making this coin. How much would you like to continue working on it? (you can answer in PM if you wish, no problem). As I said, I can take in charge various aspects, PR, website, and even a block explorer (might take some time and be very simple at the beginning, but it's ok) |
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Great m4nki!
So,
Croxx: 50k
Me: 30k
Toto31: 10k
m4nki: 1k
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91k
+I'm adding ~10k for giveaways throughout the next months.
Services:
website, me
block explorer, me?
German translations, m4nki
This is true m4nki, it's debatable if we must keep the original dev, but it's a tough job to find a reliable dev, I'm open to suggestions. User tx42 was suggesting he could find one. So maybe...
Edit: I also know someone who makes Dapps, so we might have new Dapps soon, but of course I can't speak for himself.
Maybe if we could raise enough money, we could have exclusive Dapps for Shift.
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So let sum it up:
Croxx: 50k
Me: 30k
Toto31: 10k
Also, we need to divide it in two parts:
-paying the dev
-encouraging dapps
Some may disagree here because of his past behavior, but it's obvious the dev must receive something. He's the main engine here.
Encouraging dapps is also what will drive the price up in the long term, and the best advertisement for the coin (ETH has Augur for exemple).
Other parts may appear to be useful down the road.
For now, a block explorer, and a website are crucial. I'm willing to take that in charge myself, but might need some help (writing presentation texts for the website, assets etc.)
what percentage is the best repartition between paying the dev and encouraging dapps?
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im not a programmer myself, but what i can do and will do is give some of my coins to every future plans of shift.
i totally agree its better to give now some of your holdings to the future development instead of hoard them.
every donation is welcomed.
we can do alot here if we hold together.
from me now 50k coins in total, and would be really nice if some others could give some coins too maybe we can go to 150k-200k shift or even more.
so we are at 90k shift now.
and nice that you offer to do the PR aspects Maverick69.
90k? You're adding 20k? |
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Should be public take over made.
Crypto knows some cases where merged and taken over from one to another developer.
Of course in case if current DEV won't show up.
It's not that easy to find a competent and honest dev, and Ethereum clones are not that numerous for a reason. Last time I talked to the "current" dev by PM, he told me he still had plans for the coin. What is sure is you can't make a successfull coin without a proper website and a block explorer. I don't know what this team was thinking when it launched this project. The good news is that everything is fixable. Now, if we can gather some coins and handle the future as a community, there's a tremendous potential! What is great with Ethereum clones is that value is driven by Dapps more than anything else. Build a killer app and the coin price soars! There are already 70k ready to be given, we can go to 100k easily I guess. All the coins should be held by a contract as suggested before. Edit: I also have offered to the dev to take in charge all the PR aspects so that he can focus on the dev and nothing else. I'm waiting for his reply (Last Active: January 30, 2016, 10:54:11 PM) Edit2: what is everyone ready to give to help this revival? You don't have to give much, even 500 or 1000 SHF will help the cause. Please guys post your intention so that we have an idea. Remember that if price goes 10x, you won't regret your donation, it's better to have 1000 coins at 10000 than 5000 at 1000, just saying. |
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@ocminer
Can you share your config please for those who can't sync wallet?
sure, whats the command again to dump the nodes ? admin.peerInfo doesn't seem to work admin.nodeInfo may be of interest as well. |
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Nice upward trend, +818%  on Bittrex! |
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@ocminer
Can you share your config please for those who can't sync wallet?
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Let's compare:
Expanse, 11,000,000 premine with 1,100,000 available immediately. Block target 1 minute and 8 EXP block reward. 4,207,680 EXP mined per year. Time to match premine = 2 years, 7 1/2 months
Ethereum, 72,000,000 premine to prerelease investors, devs, contributors, and their foundation. Block target 15 seconds and 5 Ether block reward. 10,519,200 Ether mined (and staked in future) per year. Time to match premine = 6 years 10 months
Shift, 250,000 premine. Block target 12 seconds (in theory, its first post says average blocktime is higher) and 3 SHF block reward. 7,889,400 (theoretical) mined (or staked in future) per year. Time to match premine = 12 days.
Edit: Shift target is 11 seconds, so math is slightly off, but you get the picture.
Numbers are no longer accurate, but still, it gives a good idea of the potential... But where is the dev? is the question!!! If SHF has the same momentum as EXP or ETH, I'll pay him for working again lol |
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Let's compare:
Expanse, 11,000,000 premine with 1,100,000 available immediately. Block target 1 minute and 8 EXP block reward. 4,207,680 EXP mined per year. Time to match premine = 2 years, 7 1/2 months
Ethereum, 72,000,000 premine to prerelease investors, devs, contributors, and their foundation. Block target 15 seconds and 5 Ether block reward. 10,519,200 Ether mined (and staked in future) per year. Time to match premine = 6 years 10 months
Shift, 250,000 premine. Block target 12 seconds (in theory, its first post says average blocktime is higher) and 3 SHF block reward. 7,889,400 (theoretical) mined (or staked in future) per year. Time to match premine = 12 days.
Edit: Shift target is 11 seconds, so math is slightly off, but you get the picture.
Numbers are no longer accurate, but still, it gives a good idea of the potential... |
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This is neither shit or dead.
People do your homework, only ~2.36 million available coin!
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this coin is not dead at all, believe me!
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