Fiat - means "by force" therefore bitcoin is not a fiat.
"Intrinsic value" is not limited to material things only. Equally, a service, as much as a material object, may have an value which is determined by market, therefore presently bitcoin has an intrinsic value.
that is completely wrong. anyone else believing this nonsense? that would explain alot. actuall fiat means: "let it become", "let it be done" or "it shall be" also, you don't seem to understand what "intrinsic" means. what you are talking about is the extrinsic value. maybe this helps you a bit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic |
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Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).
well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact. No. Always being sick is not the natural state. It is a state of emergency and takes a comparatively short time. i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.
BS. No state - no capitalism. No state - no armies. Capitalism, socialism, armies are state bastards. o.O naive... History. Of which you do not seem to have much of a clue. blablub. try to form a coherent argument to back up your delusional statements. |
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funny how you call scientists "propagandists", that tells me alot about you |
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Well of course I am part of the elite, I always been. What is new is that everyone can be part of it. Bitcoin is open to everyone.
It doesn't matter your background and education. Anyone can learn. Information is free and transparent.
It doesn't matter how much you invest in, everyone can invest and make a profit.
"Bitcoin is open to everyone" Nope, its not. Well maybe for a few entitled kids who got everything from their parents it is. But for the majority of the world's population it isn't. The majority of the world population doesn't have a computer, even less people have internet, and most people don't have any money to buy bitcoins with, because they use all their money for food and still they starve. I always get a little angry, if I see entitled kids from rich parents claiming everything is for free. The world doesn't work like that. Try to look beyond the little box you live in, pal. I think everyone that lives in a developed country with access to the internet is part of an "elite" crowd already in a way. We can get philosophical about this. But I think the main point is that anyone that can afford to buy a few lattes at their local Starbucks can log into free internet there and buy Bitcoin. It is fairly accessible to anyone, regardless of how entitled the person is. The question of course is how much can they buy? They should be able to buy at least $5 worth if they just forgo one Frappuccino. But I do agree the the open to "everyone" was exaggerated when thinking in global terms. omg...you just said "everyone that lives in a developed country" and not 3 sentences later you claim its "fairly accessible to anyone". so the 5 billion people who aren't in this special group can be just swept under the rug, only really the 2 billion people in developed countries count? this is really disgusting...how can someone be so entitled... The sad truth is that "people from 3rd countries" are not "people". I am not saying that they aren't human but their way of living is so different that we cannot include them in the term "people". We have no idea of how they think, what do they want, how do they live. I think that as Occidental citizen, we devote our life to ignore and exclude the 3rd world. You may find few people that actually care about the excluded but are they actually doing anything to change the situation ? How can you help people that you cannot reach and understand ? The second sad truth is that most people from the 3rd world want to be obese-selfish-consumerist. They would probably do the same : exclude and ignore others. It doesn't matter where you are born. You are a human, you are the scum of this world. No human is better than an other. scum or not scum, a tiny minority is not "almost everyone". Fullstop. |
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Well of course I am part of the elite, I always been. What is new is that everyone can be part of it. Bitcoin is open to everyone.
It doesn't matter your background and education. Anyone can learn. Information is free and transparent.
It doesn't matter how much you invest in, everyone can invest and make a profit.
"Bitcoin is open to everyone" Nope, its not. Well maybe for a few entitled kids who got everything from their parents it is. But for the majority of the world's population it isn't. The majority of the world population doesn't have a computer, even less people have internet, and most people don't have any money to buy bitcoins with, because they use all their money for food and still they starve. I always get a little angry, if I see entitled kids from rich parents claiming everything is for free. The world doesn't work like that. Try to look beyond the little box you live in, pal. I think everyone that lives in a developed country with access to the internet is part of an "elite" crowd already in a way. We can get philosophical about this. But I think the main point is that anyone that can afford to buy a few lattes at their local Starbucks can log into free internet there and buy Bitcoin. It is fairly accessible to anyone IN A DEVELOPED COUNTRY, regardless of how entitled the person is. The question of course is how much can they buy? They should be able to buy at least $5 worth if they just forgo one Frappuccino. But I do agree the the open to "everyone" was exaggerated when thinking in global terms. omg...you just said "everyone that lives in a developed country" and not 3 sentences later you claim its "fairly accessible to anyone". so the 5 billion people who aren't in this special group can be just swept under the rug, only really the 2 billion people in developed countries count? this is really disgusting...how can someone be so entitled... OK. I fixed it. I would have thought you could get my point with the context. Notice my last line "open to "everyone" was exaggerated when thinking in global terms." Wow. Just wow. its also wrong if you just take the developed world. the whole idea of "its open to everyone" is completely ridiculous and stupid. and simply wrong. Homeless people on "skid row" in Los Angeles have cell phones so I am not so sure that there is no way they could get their hands on $1 worth of BTC. But if it makes you feel better, insert "almost everyone" instead of "everyone" if you want to be precise. again, how on earth is "a tiny minority" in your brain "almost everyone"? im asking you for the fifth time now i think |
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when i use my credit card, i get my goods in an INSTANT. doesn't even take a 10th of a second.
sorry, but "transaction is instant" on bitcoin (seller and buy view in real time, the transfer of sum) ... but ON BANK ACCOUNT, A CREDIT CARD transaction take 2 days to see. not on bitcoin (60min = 3-5 confirmations and sum is already migrate to seller). there is no "instant transaction" with bitcoins, it takes at least 10 minutes to confirm. while in fact if you buy something with your credit card, you are paying in an actual INSTANT and INSTANTLY get your product. nice try in turning the world upside down  The pyramid needs to be turned upside down. You must be one of the 1%. Have fun when you are at the bottom of the pile. sure, im one of the 1% trying to stop the bitcoin train by promoting socialism. you got it pal. And Bitcoin is anti-socialism? that would be a bit far-fetched. bitcoin is just a technology. its just that its use is solely as a currency/commodity for speculation in a capitalist system, and the people profiting most of it are people who are already rich. i wouldn't call it anti-socialism, but its surely not pro-socialism. |
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Well of course I am part of the elite, I always been. What is new is that everyone can be part of it. Bitcoin is open to everyone.
It doesn't matter your background and education. Anyone can learn. Information is free and transparent.
It doesn't matter how much you invest in, everyone can invest and make a profit.
"Bitcoin is open to everyone" Nope, its not. Well maybe for a few entitled kids who got everything from their parents it is. But for the majority of the world's population it isn't. The majority of the world population doesn't have a computer, even less people have internet, and most people don't have any money to buy bitcoins with, because they use all their money for food and still they starve. I always get a little angry, if I see entitled kids from rich parents claiming everything is for free. The world doesn't work like that. Try to look beyond the little box you live in, pal. I think everyone that lives in a developed country with access to the internet is part of an "elite" crowd already in a way. We can get philosophical about this. But I think the main point is that anyone that can afford to buy a few lattes at their local Starbucks can log into free internet there and buy Bitcoin. It is fairly accessible to anyone IN A DEVELOPED COUNTRY, regardless of how entitled the person is. The question of course is how much can they buy? They should be able to buy at least $5 worth if they just forgo one Frappuccino. But I do agree the the open to "everyone" was exaggerated when thinking in global terms. omg...you just said "everyone that lives in a developed country" and not 3 sentences later you claim its "fairly accessible to anyone". so the 5 billion people who aren't in this special group can be just swept under the rug, only really the 2 billion people in developed countries count? this is really disgusting...how can someone be so entitled... OK. I fixed it. I would have thought you could get my point with the context. Notice my last line "open to "everyone" was exaggerated when thinking in global terms." Wow. Just wow. its also wrong if you just take the developed world. the whole idea of "its open to everyone" is completely ridiculous and stupid. and simply wrong. its accessible only to a tiny minority, but you keep trying to define smaller groups just so you can claim "its open to everyone!!! (within this tiny group)".... wtf is wrong with you? |
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Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).
well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact. No. Always being sick is not the natural state. It is a state of emergency and takes a comparatively short time. i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies.
BS. No state - no capitalism. No state - no armies. Capitalism, socialism, armies are state bastards. o.O naive... |
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The idea behind atheism is the non existence of god. This logic is inherently flawed as itself is a negative. Non existence does not exist. To say non existence exists is a fallacy. It is like a riddle.
Likewise, nothing is nothing. You cannot be nothing, nor can you become something from nothing, nor can you become nothing from something. Existence is eternal.
You may conceptualize nothingness, perhaps as darkness or void, but you cannot perceive nothing, for nothing does not exist.
Try not to get hung up on the title, you may perceive atheism to exist, though the basis of atheism itself does not exist.
Former atheist that used to believe in nothing.
i recommend the wikipedia article on atheism for some basic infos for you |
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Describe an experiment where I could even have the opportunity to definitively proven that AGW is false.
Nonsense. This is not science. It is religion and politics.
You all are insane.
Such an experiment would have to be done from space, would require more than one satellite. It would require very, very sensitive instruments monitoring moment to moment infra red emissions. The goal would be to actually assay the "bottling up of heat" per the supposed "Greenhouse effect". By comparing day to night changes in IR emissions, one could develop a model of response of the atmosphere to heat, and know the rate of change of temperature with outbound emissions. There might be technical reasons why this is impractical or could not be done. However, without it, even the "greenhouse effect" is only a poor conjecture. And you'd need to isolate all other possible complex interaction of variables such as make the sun constant or measure over 1000s of years to statistically isolate the other oscillations we've seen throughout history, etc.. In short, it is impossible. Statistical isolation of other factors is not necessary to accurately measure, and actually develop based on measured signals, a greenhouse theory. And this is the core of the warmies extrapolations. I may not have explained this very well, so let me try again. Scientists know quite well what a co2 molecule does singly or in partial pressure from lab experiments. From this they suggest it is influential in warming an atmosphere. (at this point there is great contention and uncertainty between scientific views, make no doubt about that.) What they do not know is the change in release of infra red energy into space from the upper atmosphere, under conditions of increasing change in co2 and variations in cloud cover. In the real world there is multiple direction cause and effect between variables such as co2, temperature, cloud cover, upper atmosphere energy release to space. There is no simple laboratory independent and dependent variable scenario. However.... Energy in - Energy out = heat balance, ie, temperature climate change deniers are even more delusional than creationists |
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no, i don't think it should be allowed. but then i also think breathing shouldn't be allowed, or eating food.
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when i use my credit card, i get my goods in an INSTANT. doesn't even take a 10th of a second.
sorry, but "transaction is instant" on bitcoin (seller and buy view in real time, the transfer of sum) ... but ON BANK ACCOUNT, A CREDIT CARD transaction take 2 days to see. not on bitcoin (60min = 3-5 confirmations and sum is already migrate to seller). there is no "instant transaction" with bitcoins, it takes at least 10 minutes to confirm. while in fact if you buy something with your credit card, you are paying in an actual INSTANT and INSTANTLY get your product. nice try in turning the world upside down The pyramid needs to be turned upside down. You must be one of the 1%. Have fun when you are at the bottom of the pile. sure, im one of the 1% trying to stop the bitcoin train by promoting socialism. you got it pal. |
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Well of course I am part of the elite, I always been. What is new is that everyone can be part of it. Bitcoin is open to everyone.
It doesn't matter your background and education. Anyone can learn. Information is free and transparent.
It doesn't matter how much you invest in, everyone can invest and make a profit.
"Bitcoin is open to everyone" Nope, its not. Well maybe for a few entitled kids who got everything from their parents it is. But for the majority of the world's population it isn't. The majority of the world population doesn't have a computer, even less people have internet, and most people don't have any money to buy bitcoins with, because they use all their money for food and still they starve. I always get a little angry, if I see entitled kids from rich parents claiming everything is for free. The world doesn't work like that. Try to look beyond the little box you live in, pal. I think everyone that lives in a developed country with access to the internet is part of an "elite" crowd already in a way. We can get philosophical about this. But I think the main point is that anyone that can afford to buy a few lattes at their local Starbucks can log into free internet there and buy Bitcoin. It is fairly accessible to anyone, regardless of how entitled the person is. The question of course is how much can they buy? They should be able to buy at least $5 worth if they just forgo one Frappuccino. But I do agree the the open to "everyone" was exaggerated when thinking in global terms. omg...you just said "everyone that lives in a developed country" and not 3 sentences later you claim its "fairly accessible to anyone". so the 5 billion people who aren't in this special group can be just swept under the rug, only really the 2 billion people in developed countries count? this is really disgusting...how can someone be so entitled... |
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Bitcoin / cryptography is the tool to destroy the ponzi system of all ponzi systems: the society (= collectivism/patriarchy).
It will will bring back anarchy, which is humanism and the opposite of patriarchy.
this doesn't even remotely make any sense to me. cryptocurrencies are the logical next step for private investment banks to increase their profits and keep control over the monetary supply. They can't. They'll be obsolete as middlemen. No one needs them in a p2p-environment. nothing changes, besides the gap between rich and poor widenening even faster. but you hardly notice the difference anyway, because due to the policies enacted, the gap would als widen without cryptocurrencies that offer the speculators and rich people new ways to increase their income.
what has out society to do with collectivism? what is your concept of "anarchy" and how is bitcoin involved in that?
Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy ( self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church). really, 294 activity here and not the slightest clue about the basic problems of bitcoins? never ever heard of any exchange or anything? Anarchy is not a concept. Anarchy (self-sufficient communities) has been the natural state of humanity for a million years. Society / collectivism (= collectivized communities, organized in patronized, monogamous tribute families = patriarchy = organized violence) is an unnatural construct, enforced by militant terrorists (state and church).
well ok i can work with your definition of anarchy. but you have to realize, this "collectivism" as you call it is just as "natural" as the anarchy. everything is natural in fact. eating your own children is "natural". i have my problems with the state and the church too. but there is one thing i fear more than the state, and thats capitalism. and i trust the state to be the last defense against privately owned armies. |
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The beauty of Bitcoin is:
Over the weekend I sent approximately US$6,000 in BitCoin half way round the world. Fee was approximately .38cents
Forty five minutes, all confirmed and ready to spend.
Try doing that with a bank on a weekend, or any other day of the week.
No bastuards at the bank involved.
It puts a smile on my dial every time I see BTC fly.
tax evaders also smile when they park their funds on the caymans. exactly the same thing. the only real difference is, they have at least a little bit of shame and aren't boasting about it usually. you kind of disgust me. Wow, first time I have been called a tax evader. What does my post have to do with tax evasion? Its morally the same thing. You don't want to pay the fees everyone else is paying to keep the system up. It's selfish and unethical. But of course it's not illegal. Just like speculating on food and making people starve to death isn't illegal. The problem here is you guys confuse legal with ethical. Thats insane. He is willing to pay fees (not that it matters), he just paid them to the Bitcoin network because it is faster and they cost less. That is the open market at work and customers now having MORE CHOICES. exactly how tax evasion works. you just pay less if you park your money somewhere else, so you do it. thats the open market, you are absolutely right. |
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? this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. i think you don't even have the slightest clue what keynesianism is. or can you back up your statements with any arguments?
Only via Krugman's sad arguments. He constantly refers to Bitcoin's flaw of not being backed by government/the power of guns. Any economic system can work if you force people at the point of a gun to execute it (eg Communism/slave economies). When people are free, other systems are used. And those do not involve Keynes' idea of centralized manipulation. keynesianism was the era after the 2nd world war, up to the 70ies. it was the era of biggest prosperity and wealth increase in the recorded history. very high taxes for rich people. since about the 80ies we live in a neoliberal world. taxes for rich people got cut, banks started to make money by speculating and offering silly financial products like derivates and credit default swaps, hedge funds and locusts. the financial sector increased more than 20fold since the 80ies, compared to the real economy. nothing of this has anything to do with pointing a gun at someone to execute it. this is just in your confused head. try to get your facts straight. |
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The beauty of Bitcoin is:
Over the weekend I sent approximately US$6,000 in BitCoin half way round the world. Fee was approximately .38cents
Forty five minutes, all confirmed and ready to spend.
Try doing that with a bank on a weekend, or any other day of the week.
No bastuards at the bank involved.
It puts a smile on my dial every time I see BTC fly.
tax evaders also smile when they park their funds on the caymans. exactly the same thing. the only real difference is, they have at least a little bit of shame and aren't boasting about it usually. you kind of disgust me. Wow, first time I have been called a tax evader. What does my post have to do with tax evasion? Its morally the same thing. You don't want to pay the fees everyone else is paying to keep the system up. It's selfish and unethical. But of course it's not illegal. Just like speculating on food and making people starve to death isn't illegal. The problem here is you guys confuse legal with ethical. |
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Your entire argument is derived from the morality of tax evasion. He never said he avoided taxation when he sent 6k. You made that assumption and you are now arguing from that position. That is called a non sequitur, a fallacy of logic.
Wrong. A non sequitur is an argument that derives wrong conclusions from a premise. i never made any assumption of him evading taxes or not, try to read carefully. you just assumed i made such assumptions, and now you are argueing from this position. In reality, i claimed that evading money transfer fees is the same as evading taxes. try to understand the difference. If you really are into logic and rhetorical fallacies, i recommend to go through this list of cognitive biases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases you might learn something there. evading money transfer fees is the same as evading taxes? There is no legal requirement that I'm aware of that all money transfers must go through a bank, etc. So if I give a family member $400 directly without paying a fee instead of using Western Union then I am on equal footing with people who attempt to deceive the government by misrepresentation of their tax obligation? Overstock now receives money without paying high credit card fees due to their acceptance of BTC. Are they on equal footing with tax evaders? again, tax evasion is not necesarily illegal. so you don't have to deceive the government to evade taxes. you are assuming too much. |
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Bitcoin would be useful for the community and integrated into a socialist environment if statal entities and private companies were forced to have fixed addresses and wallets, so that everyone could clearly see when, how and how much public money is spent, and there would be no issues for financial monitoring and controls.
By the way, I consider myself communist at heart, but communism works only for bees or perfect humans, and regular people is neither insects nor perfect beings. This said, I think that the best working polictical and economic system is the modern western socialism of northern european and scandinavian countries, where Bitcoins could work as mentioned above.
i disagree. since the 1970ies the world economy is changing drastically. financial institutions are growing at an immense pace, drawing funds from the real economy and producing crises that the general population has to pay off by lowering social security and the likes. the world bank and the international monetary fund are enforcing those austerity policies all over the world, even in europe already. cryptocurrencies have made this already worse, and will make it even worse in the future. big players like goldman sachs are already deep into the cryptocurrency world, since they know exactly what it means. it means even less regulation and bigger profits for them. a deflationary currency...their dream. our system is not going in the right direction, and many people start to realize this. we need a new "New Deal" and strict regulations of the financial sector, the dismantlement of all big banks and a stop of speculation on food and housing and the like. fixed exchange rate for all currencies (like in china) so people can do their business. if you really don't see any problems with our economy and think scandinavian countries are the lands of milk and honey, you are up for a rude awakening. of course, compared to the rest of the world, they aren't doing that bad right now, but that doesn't mean their economic system is the best possible system that we could imagine. I also disagree that communism only works for perfect beeings, but capitalism works for everyone. in fact we know that capitalism doesn't work for most people (or there wouldn't be 1 billion starving people on this planet, or 30.000 children starving to death every day, there are even children dieing from starvation in europe)., only a few get very rich will the majority has to work for the few rich people. this is a very unfair system in my opinion. but people who think there are only 2 possibilities: Capitalism and Communism, are probably not able to engage in a more sophisticated discussion on this topic anyway. too often i see people claiming im a communist, only because i offer criticism of the capitalist system we live in. try not to be that dense. try to differentiate, try to see the world in colors or greyshades, instead of black and white. The fact that we live in a capitalist world testifies that it is indeed working. The problem is that 99% of the "regular" people deep in their hearts would do the same if they were the 1% wealthy elite, justifying them. Also, since humans are an imperialistic animal race, unluckily what works best for the majority or for the most powerful group of population gets imposed on the others, and they can't materially do anything about that, otherwise they get killed or repressed. I don't think there are just capitalism and communism, I only said that for me communism would be the best, obviously I have my own personal idea of communism but I used the general term, otherwise I would have to write some pages to explain my precise view. I do agree with you that all of this is unfair and despicable, but what can we do? The masses only move their a$$es when they have no food or medical assistance, but the elite has been quite good at keeping those things available for the people with "worthy" opinion (and I mean so called developed countries)...I'm sorry but I'm much more pessimistic than you towards the human race, that's why I think that scandinavian socialism is close to be the best possible at our actual level of average moral development. edit: to be clear, I see tons of issues with our economy, but they are just a consequence of the cultural decadence of our times. I didn't mention those options and systems because for me they are the best possible, I just can't see anything better and possible. Thats a non argument. You could also say: "The fact that there are childmolesters testifies that child molesting is ineed working". What do you want to say with that? Its kind of true, that money corrupts, i'm all with you there. the more money you have, the more likely you are to vote for republicans/libertarians - this comes from a very recent scientific study(i can look it up and provide the link if youre interested). but this is also a non-argument. only because some people would also molest children if they were pedophiles, doesn't mean that its right to do so. humans are really just molded by their surroundings. there really isn't much of a free will. but that doesn't necesarily mean all humans are evil, or all rich people are bad. take george soros for example. there are lots of rich people who call for a big tax increase for themselves. Hell, i really have no clue how everything works or should work, i just feel there is room for improvement. and cryptocurrencies don't provide any improvement there, on the contrary, in my opinion it makes it even worse. alot of NGOs do very important work on many different topics, may it be climate change, nuclear disarmament, animal rights or economic fairness. sometimes they struggle hard, sometimes they achieve little victories. the world is changing constantly, and i just try to keep a critical view on everything. |
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not any of those articles had anything to do with what i said, what a waste of time. stop trolling me, jerks. |
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