Yeap I thought so. It's better than WoS though because of it supporting Liquid and also being non custodial. I will give it a try and I will let people know. To be honest I am more interested in the LN aspect of the app.

I was unaware of that, thanks for pointing out. It's unfortunate, but it's also normal. I mean, the story with pizzas seems very intriguing even for someone with zero knowledge in Bitcoin. Unfortunately the open source work he has done is only appreciated by a few people... Thats life...

I have no balance to check it, so please can you tell me if the wallet supports coin control for on-chain transactions? I could just fund my wallet and then try to see if I can choose coins, but I can't fund it at the moment, so I would appreciate it. Thanks.

You are right. We shouldn't have derailed the thread like that.

The main purpose of the topic, for me, apart from providing information about satoshi's ideas, is to help us realise whether Bitcoin has severely diverted from the original version.

To this extent, I am looking forward to hearing everyone's opinion.

This is very interesting. CSW claims to be Satoshi. Gavin publicly said that he believes CSW to be Satoshi, because he signed in front of him with the private key associated with the public key in the first block. Then Gavin changed his mind and said that CSW isn't Satoshi. But my question is, did the court ask Gavin and CSW if they recall having the conversation above? If CSW was Satoshi, then this message must have been written by CSW.


There was indeed a way to send to IP address. Sounds strange to me, doesn't it? What are everyone's thoughts on that?

Για μένα το τέλειο Linux distro ήταν το arch. Το δούλευα σαν main pc για 7 χρόνια. Μέχρι που το γύρισα σε Debian (το οποίο κορόιδευα ασυστολα χαχα). Τώρα χαίρομαι που παίζω σε Debian.

Με το bitcoin δεν θα συμβεί αυτό. Στο λέω νομοτελειακά πως μπορεί να αναγνωρίσω αλλα κρυπτονομισματα σαν καλά, όπως πχ το monero. Αλλά να γυρίσω από bitcoin σε κάποιο νόμισμα που τώρα κοροϊδεύω δεν παίζει.

Δεν χαρακτηρίζω αδόκιμη τη σύγκριση σου, απλά το αναφέρω γιατί με τα distros δεν χάθηκε και τίποτα, αλλά αν δώσουμε αξία σε οτιδήποτε centralised, χαθήκαμε!

Not only that, but there is also an argument that Hal wasn't very competitive in C++ but more in C and Bash. But, this argument can be easily discarder because nobody can really say how much knowledge in a programming language is enough.

To me it is clear that Hal Finney wasn't Satoshi. It's also obvious that it would take too much time for someone to develop a conversation between him (Hal) and himself (Satoshi). So, Satoshi and Hal can't had been the same person. Satoshi wanted to be hidden, not by tricking people to think he was someone else, but by following all the cypherpunks tools that allowed him to stay reasonably private. In fact, Satoshi Nakamoto managed to make no mistakes, unless he has but we were unable to see them. Satoshi managed to accomplish true anonymity, which is, in my opinion, infeasible in the digital space.

I 've heard in a podcast, where they were unravelling the discussion between Satoshi and Sirius, the phrase "Satoshi seemed to be a bitcoiner". It felt kind of funny   The argument was exactly that! That he was sounding very casual, despite his academic background.


Well Satoshi made some mistakes, trusting people who, in my opinion, he shouldn't. But  yeah, with Sirius it looks like he hit the jackpot.


The person that talks with Sirius, the real Satoshi, is polite, technically savvy and respectful.
CSW is arrogant, selfish and highly unlikely to have any technical knowledge regarding Bitcoin.

Spot the differences 

So basically Sirius was a CS student back then and Satoshi, seeing that Sirius was talented, decided to let him do the website and the FAQ? Doesn't it look very easy on Satoshi's behalf? I mean, obviously Sirius is a well established dev nowadays, but back then, it looked like Satoshi trusted him very easily. I would never dare judging this decision, but I mean Satoshi must had been very capable of identifying talented devs.

Exactly, I have only used the PIN when I initially turned it on. I created the wallets and the PIN was mandatory. But if you decide to use the approach that I explained above, then the PIN is not necessary. In fact, the device will not ask for a PIN if you follow the steps I mentioned above. So ...

Well obviously privacy leakage mostly happens due to human error. The tools you have mentioned are great, but they aren't built-in in Bitcoin. They were developed to provide higher privacy and of course, they are welcome. But my point is, Satoshi himself mentioned that "bitcoin should be used using Tor". So, doesn't Bitcoin "kind of" need these tools (add-ons) to help people with their privacy?

Sometimes surprises disappoint, but kindness never does.

By the way, I have made some instinctive thoughts that I am embarassed to share, but I will follow our queen's lead and I will get out of my comfort zone. So, according to my thoughts, I would like to describe to you, how I see each of you, through the gaze of a small foxpup.

Foxpup: The Queen. The fox who decided to dethrone the king, due to his inability to live harmoniously with the other foxes. Rumor has it that the old King is chained in a dungeon, wearing a t-shirt with the ethereum stamp printed on it.

LoyceV: Queen's Right Hand. LoyceV decided to approach the queen after the old Kingdom got destroyed. He needed a job, seeking a new beginning. He was out of food, as rats and pidgeons had disappeared during the war. The merciful Queen saw in LoyceV the passion for Bitcoin and decided to anoint him her right hand.

o_e_l_e_o: The Faithful Servant. The Queen saw Leo in the crowd. She noticed him straight away as he was the only one hiding his face, wearing a mask. Leo was reluctant, he wanted to stay well hidden behind his mask, but the Queen always knew how to make other foxes obey her will. Leo joined the pack, until he decided to step away and follow the lonely path that he had originally chosen. (a tear just dropped...)

fillippone: The Godfather. The Queen was already beloved by the entire kingdom. However, some foxes were silently creating disturbances with the aim of overthrowing the Queen. Rumor has it they wanted another fox codenamed "CSW" enthroned. The Queen needed someone to do the dirty work and look after the welfare of the kingdom, by taking out other foxes who were organizing rebellions. The Queen hired fillippone to be the Godfather.

gazetaBitcoin: The Bodyguard. Even though the Queen was well protected by her faithful pack, she needed someone to be near her 24/7. She hired gazetaBitcoin for this purpose. The latter was a fox of enormous proportions, ready to devour anyone who came within less than 1 meter from the Queen. GazetaBitcoin sworn that day, that no new fox should enter the pack without being threatened.

suchmoon: The Full Moon Princess. The daughter of the old King. The crowd loved her. She always knew that her father was losing his mind, trying to convince everyone that Ethereum is not a shitcoin. She knew she had to help the Queen to take him down. The small fox, gathered a huge army of foxes and they were shouting the queen's name under the moonlight. She was then named "The Full Moon Princess".

The Sceptical Chymist: The Scientist. There was a day, when the Queen needed to kill some opponent foxes. But it was not in her nature. The Queen was forgiving. She decided to hire a fox, known in the fox world by the name "the Scientist". Nobody has ever seen his face, but many people have changed their minds regarding Bitcoin because of his potions. The Queen ordered a potion that would change the King's mind. A potion that would make him forget that CSW is Satoshi Nakamoto (another famous fox - slightly less famous than the Queen). The potion was delivered, but the King gave it to one of his servants for testing and didn't drink it himself. Today, the servant is a great bitcoin developer.

BlackHatCoiner: The Magician. BlackHatCoiner was a joker at the old palace. He was always against the King and was willing to help the Queen to dethrone him. At first, he wanted to be good with everyone, but as time passed, he knew that some foxes would be a pain. Therefore, he decided to expose their lack of Bitcoin knowledge publicly, to make them lose the artificial reputation that they had built in the foxes world.

apogio: The Intern. Apogio is a small foxpup. He always wanted to become a proper fox, but he knew that like everything in life, he would need to sacrifice a lot of personal pleasures. He asked to follow the Queen, knowing how important it was for him to have a pack to belong to. The Queen was surprised, but she supported apogio's decision. Till this day, apogio knows that he belongs to a pack that is full of incredible foxes.

Notes:
1. apogio's favorite animal used to be the wolf, until he met some proper foxes.
2. I hope that I have included all the foxes. But if not, I am willing to take the responsibility and be publicly beaten, or punished in any other way. If I have forgotten a fox, apart from beating me, please remind me, so I can include it in the post.
3. apogio is very close to celebrate his 1y anniversary in the forum.

I am so used to using Jade that I forgot to mention it. Very good catch dkbit98. The button and the wheel that Jade has is not very comfortable to use. The wheel is a bit clunky too. Not that it doesn't work, nor that it feels like it will break, but it kind of "moves" a bit, like the plastic could have been of better quality. If you know what I mean.

But as I said, Jade does a great work! I love it.

The avatars look amazing. Very good job from artist who did the illustration. I love how the avatars have already spread in the forum!

Looks interesting. I am going to read it this weekend and I will comment.

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So, after all this conversation, my question is, does it really matter how many coins are lost forever?

A simple thing to consider is that there are 21M coins, for ~8B people. The scarcity of Bitcoin is outstanding.

We must think and calculate in satoshis and not in Bitcoins, because the huge majority of people will own satoshis and not whole bitcoins.

But for all this to happen, we must scale Bitcoin. It's out of topic, but I really need to stress its importance. Bitcoin needs scaling.

Before answering the questions, I want to say that I haven't used Jade with a Blockstream's companion app (BS Green).
I use Jade with Sparrow and I have also tried it with Electrum.
Therefore, there is a big area regarding the Jade, in which I can't comment anything unfortunately. I am refering to the integration with their companion app and, as a consequence, I am also refering to the Bluetooth usage. In fact, my Jade's BT is always turned off.

They do have an option to generate entropy from a picture you take with the device's camera. I can't comment on the technical part of it, though or how secure such seeds are. I hope the Jade has been put under severe tests to verify that the generated entropy from the device is strong enough. It's not exactly the most popular HW (which is also true for the Seedsigner) and surely doesn't generate as much interest as the major brands.
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Sure, I dislike the entropy generation using the camera, it feels very wrong, even though it may be not. Jade also uses the camera to gather some entropy bits. It also uses the battery state, the cpu usage, some CRNG, the bluetooth etc. ^[1]

Blockstream has never been very popular. I don't know why. I am not a fan, but I have never observed anything to disturb my confidence against them. I am okay with the Jade, but nothing more than that.


Yeah, sorry, I totally missed the question.

Well, the battery is good, I have never had problems. To be honest, I don't sign a lot of transactions with it. In the past couple of months, I have signed approx. 10 - 15 transactions. Each transaction takes about 5 minutes, in which I turn on the wallet, I scan the QR code, I scan the TX, I sign the TX and then I export the PSBT to be scanned from my "broadcasting" wallet (mostly Sparrow).

So, let's say 15 transactions x 5 minutes each = 75 minutes.
It's been approximately 60 days in which I have done these operations.
My battery at the moment is still a little below 50% (there is no percentage indication, so my estimation is based upon my ability to interpret the half-loaded battery symbol.

I don't really know if it's good or not, but it feels "okay-ish".

[1] https://help.blockstream.com/hc/en-us/articles/9640569620761-How-does-Blockstream-Jade-generate-it-s-recovery-phrase

I think it must be approximately 1 year since I bought it. Perhaps a bit more.

Well the seedsigner is fantastic but I wasn't able to find an RPi Zero (the one without the WiFi adapter).

The jade, came cheaper and more convenient for me, so I bought it.

Technically, a major difference is that the seedsigner doesn't generate entropy. So you must enter your own entropy by flipping coins or throwing dice. When it comes to backups, the Jade allows you to export the QR code in compact mode, whereas the SS allows you to export both compact and "not compact" QR codes.

The SS is closer to my general mentality but the Jade is silently doing its job very well and comes handy when you need it.

BlackHatCoiner has a brilliant guide for the SS. When I go home I will share it, unless he does so before me.

I wouldn't recommend the one or the other, they both work well. The SS is better in terms of privacy. In fact nobody knows what you want the spare parts for when you buy them. The Jade is super easy to use and comes very handy.

Now it makes sense. So criminals buy fake IDs and use them for forgery. Yeah I am not surprised, it just never crossed my mind that the way to buy the IDs is from KYC exchanges. But since they require KYC, you can be sure that at least they own the information about their clients. If they are willing to sell it for illicit usage, is a whole other story _crime.

Yes, it's worth it. Definetely.

The way I use Jade is:

Backup system:
For each wallet I hold 2 backups, as follows:

• Backup 1: Seed phrase, QR code
• Backup 2: Seed phrase, QR code

Obviously the backups are in separate locations (the one is easily accessible).

Usage:
Every time I want to use Jade, I do the following:
1. Turn it on.
2. Scroll twice and click "Options".
3. Click "Temporary signer".
4. Click "Scan QR".
5. I do scan the QR code and my wallet is ready to sign transactions.
6. I turn Jade off. The memory is automatically flushed, so if you turn it on, nothing is saved.

So I mostly use Jade as the SeedSigner and after each usage, nothing remains in Jade's memory. So if someone gets access to it, they can't do anything. Obviously, if they get access to one of my backups, then my funds are gone. But the device itself can't help someone to compromise my funds.