Well they are in the position to do this, the price is just... wow lol Guess good things come when you say something and follow through with it.
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No but it shows the kinda of business person you are. Wait till google starts hitting you with charge backs Im sure old caranada is already working on you lol
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Thats what I said, Not only that it is A newb who just copied other business idea's lol Come with a Idea of your own guy.
You're funny. You probably didn't even know how to spell "Bitcoin" when MtGox started accepting credit cards for account fundings. Really Cause I was the first person to use private keys to sell bitcoins... Are you disputing that? Or just being your normal Turdface?
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What specifically do you propose you can and are going to do about it? (Besides posting in a forum)
Man I'm a journalist, the only thing I do is tell the people what I hear. That's call FUD and we get plenty of it around here lol.
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So let me get this straight you copied My business Bitcoin-keys.com Which was then copied by BtcQuick Which was then copied by You? hmm and you charge a crazy amount lol. Good luck, you should come up with some Intellectual property of your own.
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Thats what I said, Not only that it is A newb who just copied other business idea's lol Come with a Idea of your own guy.
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Lol No ssl, from a unkown member linking it. Yes everyone flock and spend 80 dollars a coin lol.
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I was just looking at some of the fines for failure to register IV. CIVIL MONEY PENALTY FinCEN may impose civil money penalties against a money transmitter, or any person who owns or controls a money transmitter, for violations of money services business registration requirements.14 FinCEN may assess a civil money penalty for failure to register as a money transmitter, in an amount up to $5,000 per violation. Each day a violation continues constitutes a separate violation. FinCEN may assess civil money penalties against a money transmitter, or any partner, director, officer, or employee thereof, for each willful violation of anti-money laundering program requirements. A penalty of $25,000 per day may be assessed for failure to establish and implement an adequate written anti-money laundering program. 15 A separate violation occurs for each day the violation continues.
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I am preparing an article about this and I have a call into Fincen for clarification.
If you get someone knowledgeable on the phone clarify that a miner exchanging Bitcoins for "real currency" using a broker/exchange registered as a MSB, doesn't itself need to register as a MSB. i.e. Bob the miner exchanges coins for USD at CoinFort (a registered MSB). Bob is not registered as an MSB is Bob compliant? Lets say Bob is running his mining operation as a business but never sells coins to other individuals but only to CoinFort is he still compliant? Fincen called me back. I asked about the definition of "Money Transmitter" and whether the definition applied to one-time or rare transactions by businesses or individuals trigger. He said that doing even one transaction by an individual requires them to register as "Money Transmitter" (I had not seen the rules that requires transmitters to register, only MSB's.) He then started to talk about travelers checks and check cashing services. I explained I was writing an article about the new clarifications and how it relates to Bitcoin. I explained that all kinds of questions arose about who is a Money Transmitter or Money Services Business and what rules they had to follow. I also asked the Bitcoin mining question. He had no idea what Bitcoin was and he said he had to research it and call me back. Thanks for the update
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Your right this is the start to try to trace it, but you are wrong about legality.
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Please link you article when you are finished
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Well I guess there is no loophole then lol
Trading bitcoin isn't "foreign exchange". If this is relevant to your business, I would advise obtaining an up-to-date version of the regulations, and discussing it with legal counsel. Yup and thats the start of the Thousands and thousands of dollars its going to cost lol
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Well I guess there is no loophole then lol
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Thats pretty funny cause Miami was built on laundered drug money.
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Its the exchange part that gets you, but I think the stipulation is over 1000 USD if you are not a bussiness. But really at this point no one knows.
(1) Currency dealer or exchanger. A currency dealer or exchanger (other than a person who does not exchange currency in an amount greater than $1,000 in currency or monetary or other instruments for any person on any day in one or more transactions).
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Never said it was a fact just my view on it. You do not see me going on your page and telling your customers your illegally operating now do you? That would be broad and unsubstantiated claims. Like it says in the posts Now this brings up the states It does not declare this to be required, I just brought it up. But do you really think if the fed classifies you as that, the state won't? Fed trumps state? Yes or NO? Legal Definition of a Money Transmitter Per Fin Cen http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/rp/rulings/html/fincenruling2003-8.html The definition of money transmitter for purposes of BSA regulations found at 31 CFR 103.11(uu)(5) includes:
(A) [a]ny person, whether or not licensed or required to be licensed, who engages as a business in accepting currency, or funds denominated in currency, and transmits the currency or funds, or the value of the currency or funds, by any means through a financial agency or institution, a Federal Reserve Bank or other facility of one or more Federal Reserve Banks, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, or both, or an electronic funds transfer network; or
(B) [a]ny other person engaged as a business in the transfer of funds.
FinCEN does not currently interpret the definition of money transmitter to include the third-party origination service that is described in your letter. The nature of the transactions you describe is the transfer of funds through the ACH system from a customer to a merchant as payment for goods and services. [ ]’s role in the transactions is to provide merchants with a portal to a financial institution that has access to the ACH system. [ ] acts on behalf of merchants receiving payments rather than on behalf of customers making payments. For these reasons, the service that [ ] provides through [ ] more closely resembles payment processing/settlement than money transmission. Therefore, to the extent that the role of [ ] in such transactions is limited to submitting payment instructions obtained from a merchant to a bank for ACH processing, and remitting the funds received through the ACH process to the merchant (or in some cases, refunding money to the merchant’s customer through an ACH transaction), FinCEN would not deem [ ] a money transmitter for purposes of 31 CFR 103.11(uu)(5).
In arriving at our decision in this matter, FinCEN relied upon the accuracy and completeness of the representations made in your February 5, 2003 letter. Nothing precludes FinCEN from seeking further action should any of this information prove inaccurate or incomplete. Finally, we note that you have requested that certain information contained in your letter be held in confidence and exempt from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. 552. FinCEN reserves the right to publish this letter as guidance to financial institutions with all identifying information about you, [ ], [ ], and [ ], redacted. You will have 14 days after the date of this letter to identify any other information you believe should be redacted and the legal basis for the redaction. Should you have any questions, please telephone Christine Del Toro of my staff at (703) 905-3590. Edit Here is the whole definition (uu) Money services business. Each agent, agency, branch, or office within the United States of any person doing business, whether or not on a regular basis or as an organized business concern, in one or more of the capacities listed in paragraphs (uu)(1) through (uu)(6) of this section. Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, the term ?money services business? shall not include a bank, nor shall it include a person registered with, and regulated or examined by, the Securities and Exchange Commission or the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.
(1) Currency dealer or exchanger. A currency dealer or exchanger (other than a person who does not exchange currency in an amount greater than $1,000 in currency or monetary or other instruments for any person on any day in one or more transactions).
(2) Check casher. A person engaged in the business of a check casher (other than a person who does not cash checks in an amount greater than $1,000 in currency or monetary or other instruments for any person on any day in one or more transactions).
(3) Issuer of traveler's checks, money orders, or stored value. An issuer of traveler's checks, money orders, or, stored value (other than a person who does not issue such checks or money orders or stored value in an amount greater than $1,000 in currency or monetary or other instruments to any person on any day in one or more transactions).
(4) Seller or redeemer of traveler's checks, money orders, or stored value. A seller or redeemer of traveler's checks, money orders, or stored value (other than a person who does not sell such checks or money orders or stored value in an amount greater than $1,000 in currency or monetary or other instruments to or redeem such instruments for an amount greater than $1,000 in currency or monetary or other instruments from, any person on any day in one or more transactions).
(5) Money transmitter?(i) In general. Money transmitter:
(A) Any person, whether or not licensed or required to be licensed, who engages as a business in accepting currency, or funds denominated in currency, and transmits the currency or funds, or the value of the currency or funds, by any means through a financial agency or institution, a Federal Reserve Bank or other facility of one or more Federal Reserve Banks, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, or both, or an electronic funds transfer network; or
(B) Any other person engaged as a business in the transfer of funds.
(ii) Facts and circumstances; Limitation. Whether a person ?engages as a business? in the activities described in paragraph (uu)(5)(i) of this section is a matter of facts and circumstances. Generally, the acceptance and transmission of funds as an integral part of the execution and settlement of a transaction other than the funds transmission itself (for example, in connection with a bona fide sale of securities or other property), will not cause a person to be a money transmitter within the meaning of paragraph (uu)(5)(i) of this section.
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almost time to move the biz to cyprus.
If you want them to take 9.9% of your bank account at will lol But a MAJOR bitcoin business does bank in cyprus I wonder how they faired.
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I kinda seen this coming hence moving my business offshore, As the first person to sell Bitcoin-Key's for credit card and later copied by BTCquick, I talked to a informed member of the gov who warned me of this move. Of course If I would have said anything Like I did about the S.E.C. I would have looked like I was trying to bump off the competition, not only that I seen no need to warn business that are competition or have previously stolen my idea pretty much in a whole. But I can tell you right now that BTCquick ZIGZAP Cash for Bitcoins LCC Will all have to comply or cease operations, which sucks, cause its going to cost into the 5 to 6 digits to get all that crap sorted out and be in 100% compliance just ask Bitinstant. Doing this with in the 6 month period will be doable but we are in a sequestration right now and I am sure this will reflect on the processing time. http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/msbrequirements.htmlNow this brings up the states your U.S. registered company does business in, now they want a cut to. So every state you have customers you buy or sell to, you will need to be registered in that state as well, just like good ole paypal. North Carolina Requires 500k capital <---- They got it posted on the Gas station doors that sell green dot and netspend http://www.dfi.ca.gov/Licensees/money_transmitters/default.html3,500 app fee lol http://www.banking.state.tx.us/forms/forms.htm#msbI know one of the companies listed above is a a Delaware company http://banking.delaware.gov/services/applicense/tmvintro.shtml http://delcode.delaware.gov/title5/c023/index.shtmlIts a little cloudy I just skimmed it quick But it seems if you register your business in the USA and want to trade coin you are going to need more then 100k to do it.
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We are offshore and not effected by U.S law we will continue to operate. Registered NZ Financial Service Provider and Limited Company More great news coming later this week!
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Heard if you cry about it, it just goes away.
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