I think tseale and his gang should release intersango guys from their NDA.
For what point? genjix violated the NDA already anyway by leaking those e-mails (not to mention the bitcoinica source code). If tseale ever accomplishes whatever legal paperwork is necessary to give customer funds back, I'm still curious about how he plans to process bitcoinica deposit claims without the database. I'd like to know if the Intersango guys gave him their progress on claims verification or if they are holding it from him. |
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It's a damn shame you didn't do so before SR stopped using 1Dky. I am a happy man, because I know for a fact that I wasn't lying to myself, and it would be pretty hard for dooglus to lie to me because the payments are embedded in the blockchain for all eternity.
I only accused dropt of lying, not you or dooglus. The reason I found those analyses lacking is because the experiments only attempted to trace SR coin deposits to 1DKy, without attempting to do the same with MtGox deposits or withdrawals. Testing this alternative hypothesis was necessary, since many of the addresses which feed into 1DKy are within mtgox's closure. So, of my two MtGox withdrawals, one traced back to some coins generated not long ago, and the other was from MtGox's 1LNW "green address". Whereas my SR withdrawal came from 1DKy. It was the side-by-side comparison which I hadn't seen done, and I was little irritated by that. I was wrong about dropt, so I sent him 25 BTC (he sent me back 12.5. he's a decent dude). |
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I once deposited 6 BTC there (never took a position). I withdrew it the first time other users reported their positions were reset and Alberto said the table was corrupted.
I wonder if there were more coins deposited for trading or more used to by BDT bonds on GLBSE. It was probably never the plan to get a lot of deposits on the bitdaytrade site, rather it was just a prop for him to sell a lot of bonds on GLBSE.
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Hello happy investors,
Check your wallets bleeping, I have just paid out weekly interests and returned back the original deposits to another bunch of depositors.
The remainder of these deposits will be returned back with due interests on Sunday 30th. As I already announced I will close this successful operation in order for me to spend more time with my own family and keep on investing in other interesting businesses.
I'm staying 'til the end. From what I've seen vescudero is both honest and smart. But I'll let you all know when I get the principal back by the end of the month. Everything we can see about vescudero (but especially the things we cannot), are signs of a ponzi. The only reason for him to return all funds now is to come back a couple of months from now and re-open with huge momentum right from the start. |
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I have seen some post telling that Pirate may not payback before 4 october (don't know why) ...
let's wait ...
did you see those posts telling that pirate will never pay back? we tried to tell you.. I, personally, will just sit back and save my breath/wrath/compromises/whatever for the time when there are actual coins to distribute ;-)
Gonna hold your breath? Good luck with that. |
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Here's more analysis on 1Dky. First, here's my mtgox green address withdrawal of 0.4 BTC. http://blockchain.info/tx-index/27088624/e7ada838ad28df4921ee7a6ac27981b721687f286ed6fa845c74ac6b924331e4
1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q - direct ->
1BYhyPtxbnU59NDahJ7DVd8RnwNH1V5D1N 0.4 BTC
1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q is MtGox's green address. New withdrawals no longer trace back to 1Dky, since they stopped using that address. It appears their withdrawal hot wallet is filled with approx 50k worth of deposits every day.
Regardless of where new SR deposits are going, the coins from 1Dky had to go somewhere. Here's my SR withdrawal of 0.6 BTC on Sep 21. Traces back to 1Dky (this still wouldn't have convinced me without dropt's proof of deposit).
1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM 2012-09-10 05:22:24 -->
1491KpNqoY1vGE2Rzdd76BCsuXK7QepNGU 158,336.30 BTC 2012-09-12 19:09:37 -->
1Bq7sdiDx1hQwdjVkjsJAemM6D1AoQ3q26 108,336.30 BTC 2012-09-15 07:33:09 -->
1FDKQB5aN6w7y8WTfVwqFN4Yj3DyL8BCpu 58,336.30 BTC 2012-09-15 07:33:09 -->
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19zfvXXoRVZ6AGmJVzuM3WCeeMjjQgJJ8i 52,223.57 BTC 2012-09-19 06:48:29 -->
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1Jx9zY1eqUFh4MS72mFwbs8sM8eDTJ7EC7 41,998.69 BTC 2012-09-19 16:52:16 -->
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1Bq99PoCFQ7XjDMezRzqJEp1NgLoLX8Yhz 34,340.76 BTC 2012-09-20 00:09:22 -->
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18RxjH8ZbjGvPvgh3mX8uzD1B2vqBMCyG 14,188.66 BTC 2012-09-20 09:00:40 -->
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1Dn8xyyLj1gRDuFfzfkFrvsPhLfH96EkJp 6,215.74 2012-09-20 18:03:49 -->
1Dy6m9skX4QhzuPijYkA7zNwxZrXmfPFXs 1,000 BTC 2012-09-20 18:04:08 --> .. (500) + (500) -->
1H1h8CUwHdxGjcyL1VBPKNovCAoGVi6ANd 2,000 BTC 2012-09-20 23:52:57
1H1h8CUwHdxGjcyL1VBPKNovCAoGVi6ANd (2,000) + 17b9yVxjtaddyiZGj1hYLperbJJacyn2Wi (2,000) +
1EtDUjG6iqmNWe4DdP5xZGqGNGRE5nhuSU (2,000) + 129ax3NtULonjjFjGxwHp75A4w6Fu4PQ2j (2,000) +
(279 other addresses, 42,000) -- 2012-09-21 19:44:43 -->
1BHmgv9HW2tBFbQZSPj34iw3RoC8KYfg3 -- 50,000 BTC 2012-09-21 19:48:13 -->
… --> …
1b8NZnPEy4BY5Hut8ePRU96okXt3qADqE 45,303.0291 BTC 2012-09-21 20:48:20 -->
1BYhyPtxbnU59NDahJ7DVd8RnwNH1V5D1N 0.6 BTC 2012-09-21 20:48:40
Now here's the kicker. The first deposits to 1DKy can be traced back to MtGox's green address.
http://blockchain.info/tx/31066fbaa7dbfcbde6f7053d5f825c39d0dc3eeafb1fdc9acef4b146e422bf1b
1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q 437,182.47241018 BTC
2011-12-06 17:14:38 -->
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http://blockchain.info/tx/478ea915aa3a2e54503c43e1c5659722b42a784412423a05394c83a44affb805
1M1ZkWpHfuQthji2AVsGDvpfY2PrcXQar6 429,935.05508286 BTC
2011-12-08 14:44:46 -->
http://blockchain.info/tx/53eda0deef60165911f34b280480bba250ee85bd35451f456fa22b1227fc20a4
14qKyR7b86JVHn5mfm6Dm3G756BgxhMqMP 203,002.46997894 BTC
2011-12-08 16:24:39 -->
http://blockchain.info/tx/332c4031971e4e11809366cbba16a0a6361cf7498d2a3ef5c2f2c62c9a7380ca
144rbLnQmwH8MbB5iirSqvaPgXB9NMdcdb 108,570.85459015 BTC
2011-12-09 00:51:49 -->
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http://blockchain.info/tx/1dcbcd41973901c433c2b4993d1d63a48f6ed1a3273fe576f06924a7aace3b6d
15VavDMyjBXnhqY3tiwxwYHJpdbgxR1WXm 17,428.36860705 BTC
2011-12-09 06:00:10 -->
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http://blockchain.info/tx/7453572098e57aea2971b6705240213dbb549c9de8638372b157ee6bc524aacb
14X7WaLgH1hhRdaz5yEeByDESbVC5sn5YJ 1,436.2498891 BTC
2011-12-10 02:19:07 -->
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http://blockchain.info/tx/4f829c54727d4f8626f4501351ff0adffef66d0151e5203d08c25296cef0309e
1DFEjAEWvfyYWRjKvegAztKsh9Tuv3aJ2z 621 BTC + (..) -->
15esSGvZ5zAVqGehCHxMTRHi8eL3FP9kyo 995 BTC
2011-12-17 03:23:27
http://blockchain.info/tx/5dea50b0ff0356dfcdda4e6936175d2d3cb662870114d3e4772464eda4e9c51f
15esSGvZ5zAVqGehCHxMTRHi8eL3FP9kyo 995 BTC + (~600) -->
19fBUDYpUTjPiJp1ZxZGeArmhGpy4Ae7Mn 1,613.55 BTC
first big deposit to 19fBUDY
2011-12-17 03:29:01
http://blockchain.info/tx/e2453c0ba2318cefa55f04196d1922863bb308d4122cbdb15e712c2a42843e4d
19fBUDYpUTjPiJp1ZxZGeArmhGpy4Ae7Mn 1,613.55 BTC + (8,387) -->
first big deposit to 1Dky
2012-01-09 17:34:25
10,000.02206122 BTC --> 1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM
0.01006122 BTC --> 1EUFpXQUAEdsHE7hTTPjQN2zVoqGEtDX6X
I guess its not too surprising. But yeah.. |
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I'll "refund" half of that 14BTC held at 13aZs to the first address you listed that was included in the referenced transaction
(1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT).
Transaction sent. The sending address from SR to 1KVc5 does not appear to be 13aZs, but has first bits of 12vKPJ. I'm interested to see how/when the coins at 13aZs are handled now. Edit: Address: [1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT] Message: [https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94675.0] Signed Text: [Gz9Z+QPsN2QwuStofTe6Jd8QVUhFVrqokStZHmBCobCzVyuHshlXlhNdm5I4FB+F3oKhBKz3UC3AUHTwddmpmQ4=] Remove [] marks when verifying. Ouch. /takes it back and eats hat 25 BTC sent. You know, I had to google what firebugging even is and it strikes me as really odd that you think I have some sort of motive or reason to generate a bunch of "firebugged" screen shots to prove/disprove some BS on this forum.
1KVc5 is one of my recipient addresses, that 7BTC is safe in my wallet. Not only that, but I signed a message just for you with that address. You say you want to get the truth, it's here dangling in front of your face. Others have also provided suggestive evidence pointing to the exact same conclusion while there's little (if any) evidence indicating the contrary.
I didn't bother to speculate on your motives, that wasn't behind my accusation. It was that the 14 BTC stayed at that address just one hop away seemed too coincidental. My deposits hadn't worked that way, so I was highly skeptical. I had assumed their tumbler would've operated more consistently and thoroughly, but I was wrong. Thank you for the proof. It definitely cost me (should've only bet 10!), but at least I'm glad to have satisfied, to my own personal standards, who controls 1DKy. |
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As an alternative to deleting the entry (on computers rather than phones) when you're done, just store the entire GAuth directory on an encrypted volume (e.g. TrueCrypt) and only mount it when you need it.
That's a good idea, but it won't work. The GAuth page/app uses html5 localStorage, so the entry/"secret key" gets saved to the browser's data/cache folder, not to the folder with the GAuth html and javascript files. You could edit the GAuth javascript file and replace the hardcoded example alice@google.com. Then it would be contained in the Gauth folder. |
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I think there's a good chance 3 months from now the price is lower than it is now. I think there's a low chance of that being the case. But I guess we'll see. proudhon is a broken clock. I'm not as confident now as I was at $5, but there are some similarities. Ideally, we'll see more developments to generate positive sentiment. The two most important are legit services for margin trading and legit ASIC mining hardware. |
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Oh, and I'll be posting only positive things about Butterfly Labs from now on.  holy satoshi. good work elux. |
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Oh ffs guys. Getting on SR is DEAD SIMPLE. If you don't believe dooglus' analysis or my post from PAGE 4 OF THIS THREAD then do your own goddamn experiment and post the results  Exactly, if you don't believe dropt, why not just check the SR yourself? I made a withdrawal from SR myself just the other day, and posted the address here. That's the easy part. Now I (or someone) will have to find the time to compile znort's tool and do the taint analysis. dropt didn't do that. He firebugged a screenshot. (I could be wrong here. up to him to prove it.) I'm interested in actual truth about 1Dky. not endless banter "its pirate!" or "its SR!". and not fake screenshots. |
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I'll "refund" half of that 14BTC held at 13aZs to the first address you listed that was included in the referenced transaction
(1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT).
Transaction sent. The sending address from SR to 1KVc5 does not appear to be 13aZs, but has first bits of 12vKPJ. I'm interested to see how/when the coins at 13aZs are handled now. Edit: Address: [1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT] Message: [https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94675.0] Signed Text: [Gz9Z+QPsN2QwuStofTe6Jd8QVUhFVrqokStZHmBCobCzVyuHshlXlhNdm5I4FB+F3oKhBKz3UC3AUHTwddmpmQ4=] Remove [] marks when verifying. Nice try. Of course it doesn't come from 13aZs, because that's not your address! I said you have to send a transaction from 1KVc5. That would prove its yours, and it should be yours since you showed a 1BTC deposit in your wallet, and that was one of the inputs for that 1BTC deposit to 13aZs! I can make a withdrawal to 1KVc5 as well. Now I feel bad that you just lost control of 7 BTC. EDIT: if 1KVc5 is actually your address, as your screenshot implied, that 7 BTC should be in your wallet now. |
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Use 2-factor to help prevent this from happening to YOU. Its not hard, see my guide here. |
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13aZs is my current SR address. If I refund from there it will go to whatever address I specify. I have no direct control of this address short of what SR allows.
Here, this should be easier. Specify to which address you will "refund" some of the 14 BTC and how much. Then do it. 25 BTC says you can't. |
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This is a fake screenshot (firebugged / photoshopped).
No, no it isn't. You're welcome to all the anecdotal evidence you want pointing to the contrary though. It's not going to change the fact that 1Dky is/was a SR storage address. Anecdotal evidence? You asked what you could do to prove. Take your screen shot of that 1 BTC deposit on Aug 6. Now take the transaction you were looking at when you mocked up that screenshot. Prove that you control any of the other addresses involved in that transaction. 1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT 1AbWGoMfZaMtCiCTN92Lv7zU9L3TojmYgo or the change address 16Wc6UL5RsR9VurTKExXCjcTWEyKqFCDxU You can't prove you control those with a screenshot. You have to announce ahead of time how much you will send and to which address, and it must come from one of those addresses. Can you do that? 25 BTC says you can't. Is that enough for your trouble? |
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Yeah, no. I don't think we're likely to see a market cap of $1,000,000,000 in 2 years let alone 10x that. If bitcoin survives long enough, maybe in a decade. The market depth is still too weak for us to be through with single digits yet, and I'm guessing we'll be taking another deep dive into single digits during the next year.
2013/04/14 huh? why that exact date? |
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I don't think its time yet, too soon since the crash from $15. The failure to break $12.7 is reminiscent of the failure to break $5.5 back in mid-march. Still expecting further consolidation, and $10 is still the new $5. Some more news or product from BFL could be the next trigger. Didn't the rise from $5 start around when their FPGA rigs started shipping? p.s. another enky reader! I remember him from the forums here early last year.. |
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Very cool, thanks for the guide. Put up a donation address and I will send you a few bitcents for your trouble.  I also found that the HTML5 app works in Opera Mobile, so I now have Google Auth on my Nokia (Symbian) phone! You're very welcome. tip jar: 1DUCK7StixdPxMCia8qgqQ6zoaGRdGRnqU |
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I made three withdrawals last night. 1) 0.4 BTC from MtGox green address. 2) 0.5 BTC from MtGox (regular withdrawal). 3) 0.6 BTC from SR. All three transactions to 1BYhyPtxbnU59NDahJ7DVd8RnwNH1V5D1N. (afterwards, I realized it would have been better to do it to three separate addresses. derp). I had troubles compiling Boost to use znort's analysis tool, and I don't have the time right now to fiddle with makefile paths and flags. I had wanted to use it to compare taint/hops back to 1Dky, maybe someone else can. |
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I suspect that's the change for SR withdrawals. I made a withdrawal last night from SR, of 0.6 BTC to 1BYhyPtxbnU59NDahJ7DVd8RnwNH1V5D1N, and the change was some 45.3k BTC. |
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