I hope sometime they will move to smaller customers
I doubt it. “We decided to not deal with thousands of small clients, because it’s a headache. The headache you get from small clients who are paying $5 is much bigger, because for him $5 is the last money. For a big client, $1m, $5m – it’s nothing because he has another $5m.” http://www.logicoins.org/bitfury-ceo-were-not-a-bitcoin-mining-company/ |
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A traditional way of promoting something is "success by association". It's tried and tested and, like most things, has its roots in a valid idea, that may involve endorsement of the product or service by a successful, well known person. But it gets bent out of shape in social media these days, where a story about a global figure, or even just an image of them, is attached to the product that is being promoted without any real world association between the two. It's especially common in BitClub Network's social media shilling and even more especially in the feeds originating from J Ryan Conley, a BCN "founder" and seasoned MLM pumper with a record as long as your arm (last stop Onecoin). Stories about Bill Gates, Richard Branson, Starbucks etc. are tagged with one liners so that the average BCN social media follower associates these mega names with the BitClub Network that they gave their money to, and reinforces the hype they also bought which implies than BCN is the only real way into Bitcoin. Which of course, it isn't. But what BCN offer the man in the street is not just a lousy investment, it's help with setting up a wallet (for a commission of course) and being made to feel part of a community. Hence the "down with the hood" image that our Ryan beats to death with a stick. Subtle, he ain't, but a professional promoter he is. Anyway, so he name drops like hell: "success by association". Now, I know that Roger Ver may not be the most popular person around here for various reasons, but he is a big name in Bitcoinland, so J Ryan decided to up his cred a bit more and imply that the Bitcoin Jesus is a pal of his....  Mr. Ver, he not impressed.  J Ryan obviously got a slap up the side of the head from other members of the BCN Dirty Dozen, because a half hearted apology was soon on social media (but I bet he had his fingers crossed behind his back)  Apart from the crazed garbage about dominating shit, it's interesting that he tags #bitfury on the original post. The hashtag leads to a disused facebook page with a picture of super CEO Val. https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/bitfury (The tag line on the year old pic is funny... "We're Not a Bitcoin Mining Company".) But what is slightly more interesting is, why would JR tag Bitfury? Why for that matter, would BitClub's mining pool have expanded recently by about 10 P/hs with the reference 'bitclubfury'? Especially when they've been buying S7's.... |
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Does 6/7 means close to getting scam sooner or later ?
You talk about HashOcean, i know this website very good, but i can not find this service on this list..?  Apply the criteria outlined here to estimate the likelihood of HashOcean (or any other supposed cloudminer) being a possible Ponzi and make up your own minds guys. I know what you mean, but to be honest, can you show one project around Bitcoin without risk.. high risk? Bitcoin itself is still just experiment, so all projects are very risky. Difference can be just risky, very risky or extremely risky. Don't want to defend Ponzis, but most people is investing there with awareness of risk, just because they are greedy. Sure. There are some people who would go as far as saying that Bitcoin isn't suitable at all for this type of investment because of the unacceptable risk (conventionally rated) factor involved, and that it should be only either hodled or spent on coffee. Just because some people feel their BTC burning a hole in their wallet, doesn't make the risk any more acceptable or the outcome less inevitable. |
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I just fell over a Google ad for Fortacloud, from Reston Virginia. Apparently they have been running datacenters everywhere for all time and now they are offering us lucky people cloudmining contracts for life. I don't have time right now to get into them deeply, but a quick Google finds a lot of big buzz words "global" "next generation" "enterprise-level" ad nauseam. At the same time, this mega international fibre optic blahblah operation is offering self referral commission and 50% discounts.... A very quick impression is they have one of those hidden fee scams going on with their cancellation policy for standard services https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/31635/fortacloud-2-gig-ram-free-vps-discovered-to-be-a-scamTheir "lifetime" mining is apparently done with Bitfury gear and costs $400 T/hs (Silver plan). Oh, and they're in Panama. Yup, Panama.  Their online support knows nothing about anything to do with roi, nor is it mentioned on their site. Meanwhile, on Twitter, they use the same photo of miners as the MMM scam does, instead of racks of their shiny new Bitfurys......not looking to promising right now, will look at them in further detail during the week.  |
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Does 6/7 means close to getting scam sooner or later ?
You talk about HashOcean, i know this website very good, but i can not find this service on this list..? Apply the criteria outlined here to estimate the likelihood of HashOcean (or any other supposed cloudminer) being a possible Ponzi and make up your own minds guys. |
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a new bussines with excellent results $$$
Excellent results? Pay $599 and get less than 50 cents back per day? i read somewhere that BitClub Network have branches almost every where.
"Branches"? There are people everywhere who will try to get you to sign up, because it is a MLM and that's the only way to make money out of it, referrals. |
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there is precious little value in making a substantial mining "operation" mobile to any significant degree.
Unless you buy into Philipma's interesting theory expounded here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1362106.0i.e. a roadtrain of Bitmaintech knockoff versions of the Bitfury container, charging around China from one free short term electrical supply to another, as new hydro comes online and requires load testing. |
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I was going to post about the Dirty Dozen, the leading motormouths in the MLM industry who are flocking to BitClub Network like flies around shit. But I saw this when I visited the behindMLM site, and I just can't stop laughing, it sums up the BCN perfectly  Humble people helping others become millionaires.... |
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does hashocean is legit cloud mining?
Use "search". If by "legit" do you mean it is proven to be doing what it says, the answer is no. The current situation is the usual one, objectively it is a scam that hasn't collapsed yet, there is the occasional person claiming to be paid. its been running from past 2 years.. and users are getting daily payout.. My question is : Can we invest big in hashocean? No, your question was is it legit? What your question is now, is can you resist the temptation to 'invest big' in something which you probably realise is too good to be true.....hey, 321,961 people can't be wrong...can they? Anyway, this thread is for people to apply Puppet's criteria to help spot likely scams and I reckon Hashocean is 6/7. That won't stop you tho. And I won't say good luck. |
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the rest of the posts in my thread where collateral and what type was discussed throughout. In another users postingI asked what escrow services could be used, I asked would the escrow service test gold to see make sure the gold was real to ensure all parties involved were comfortable .
I don't see any of that in the thread that you linked. It's done, move on. |
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I have tried to figure this out but I can not. I was given negative trust unfairly for no reason by a user that has topics about him being an abuser. I started a loan thread offered gold as collateral , yet Im given negative trust saying i asked for a loan with NO collateral which is totally wrong here is the reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361585.0 . if you read you can see I obviously did, and yes I am a new account but you have to start somewhere so its not a throwaway account but it is new . and i never had a previous account. I am verified at other lending sites including name address employment wages and everything so this is a load of BS in my opinion people can just throw negative things on my reputation for no reason. As you probably know, there is no forum mechanism for removing negative trust under nearly any circumstances. Your only hope is to ask Vod, good luck with that. You were naive, a little bit of research would have avoided you pressing the wrong buttons. Im open to putting up small amount of collateral toward this loan depending on what the lender wants, most likely would be physical items such as gold or diaond jewelry. Need the loan fast , soif someone is willing to take that leap of faith and give me a chance please contact me asap. This implies two things 1) bolded bit: had you said "0.6 BTC of gold valued at instant sale price" it would have been ok, but you didn't and 'towards' implies less than 0.5 BTC worth 2) italicised bit For physical goods to be held as collateral, they would need to be shipped to an agreeable escrow. Use of 'fast' and 'faith' implies you want the 0.5 before this has been done. You have no choice really if you want to continue on BCT without red ink, open another account. |
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Do they really have Data Centers in the USA?
They give San Francisco address. If they scam everybody, can't they be arrested? Easily to track them, no?
No one scam nobody - at least for now. There is no evidence that these data-centers really exist. They might as well write that they own 1,000 data-centers, but without at least mining proof, that are only words. But what do they have in San Francisco address? Maybe a phantom office?  I know that they don't show any proof of their equipament or work, but it's the only scheme that give us address and phone number. It doesn't proof anything, but it's interesting, what is the fraud behind these address and phone, etc... Try and find 199 Leidesdorff St. San Francisco on Google maps. |
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Obviously the bubble will burst like they always do. No worries mate, will keep up on our development schedule and continue working on the coin. We got a lot in store. Unfortunately my words are often misinterpreted there. It is exciting for now, I've lived through this already with the Blackcoin pump. Just parallels.
As I said, I don't know much about Blackcoin but, if I were you, I'd be a little wary of drawing too many parallels between it and Clubcoin. From my understanding, Blackcoin was/is a conventional alt, born into and developed in the altcoin scene: clubcoin is not like that. Clubcoin wouldn't exist were it not for the fiat grounded MLM industry, it is part of a strategy by the originators of BitClub Network who have much different goals to those of traditional alt coin developers. From that pumpers' link I posted, the game plan looks like this 1)
Inner circle – If you already heard about the rally in the beginning, you can call yourself a part of the inner circle. That means that you have the best chances to get the most out of the party. To become a part of the inner circle, sign up and get the updates.
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First ripple – As soon as the inner circle has started to get the coin price grow, the people around them will get the information. Maybe you know someone who is a part of the inner cirlce?
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Second ripple – Now the word is spread around globally. Basically through social media more and more people get the information
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Crypto world ripple – The 4th step is the crypto world’s people. They want to have a part of what is happening so they jump on.
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Public ripple – More and more people, who might have never heard about bitcoin is going to jump on the wave. Now you can not stop it anymore.Step 1) The "inner circle" referred to is senior Bitcoin Network member/pumpers, ones "in the know", not $599 suckers. Step 2) is the $599 suckers. They have realized that their original 'investment' is a turkey paying 50 cents a day, so they keep digging. Clubcoin is the shovel. Step 3) is the $599 suckers and serial pumpers hitting Facebook, casual acquaintances etc, with webinars etc. Those three steps are all fiat world orientated. BCN aren't interested in people who know a bit about crypto, they ask awkward questions and aren't the targets for the scam. But a lot of them are also very greedy so.. Step 4) The Bittrex Bubble. Step 5) Da Moon. All of this is pretty risk free for the BCN crew, financed by fiat sucked in by the MLM hard sell, with cryptoworld engagement a non priority. See the difference Blackcoin/Clubcoin? |
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does hashocean is legit cloud mining?
Use "search". If by "legit" do you mean it is proven to be doing what it says, the answer is no. The current situation is the usual one, objectively it is a scam that hasn't collapsed yet, there is the occasional person claiming to be paid. |
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I see escrow.ms is still on Default Trust level 2 because he is trusted by Tomatocage and BadBear.
Bizarre.
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