I'm sure that Balduro will do the right thing, regarding the premined coins.
I think option 2) equally distribute the remaining premined coins to the 1 stage airdrop addresses is a great way to end the airdrop. I totally agree! Equal distribution of the remaining premined coins, to the 1 stage airdrop addresses, serves the purpose of the airdrop the best way. The purpose of the airdrop is not the only thing important here. There have also been "investors" who gave AUR value in the first place by buying them from the Icelandic people who wanted to cash out. If more than 6% of the total Airdrop supply (10,500,000) remain in the premine addresses after Stage 3, any coins exceeding the 6% mark will be verifiably destroyed.
why not simply proceed according to plan? |
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I'm sure that Balduro will do the right thing, regarding the premined coins.
wanna make a bet? I would love to be able to hedge against him not doing the right thing  OK  I'm betting 1000AUR on Balduro making the right thing. He has two options to do the things right: 1) he will burn the premine 2) he will equally distribute the remaining premined coins to the 1 stage airdrop addresses. make that BTC 0.06 (currently equals AUR 1000) and give me a date until Balduro has to have done 1) or 2) and I'm in. gentlemans bet? Perfect, I'm totally in. Deadline 31/03/2015, 23:59. BTC 0.06 Perfect. Give me some time to react, though. I'll be travelling at the time. EDIT: timezone of your date? UTC? |
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Ja das stimmt. Waren ja auch nur bisschen mehr als 1000 Coins auf einmal. Aber ist schon mal die richtige Richtung Ja, das stimmt. Die andere Richtung wäre doof gewesen. Ich glaube wir kommen aus dem Sumpf (<$450 oder so) so schnell nicht raus. Eine Wende braucht Zeit, es dauert bis man wieder Wind in die Segel bekommt. Das wird bestimmt bis mindestens Sommer dauern bis es wieder richtig aufregend werden kann. |
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If whitelisting becomes a thing, I will make a point by only accepting black (non-whitelisted) coins.
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Wenn der Kurs weiter so sprungartig steigt könnte das auf interessante News für die kommende Woche hindeuten. Oder hat blueshoe die Buttons vertauscht? sprungartig um $7? Ist doch kinkerlitz, sieht nur so krass aus weil davor 'ne Weile nix ging. |
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I'm sure that Balduro will do the right thing, regarding the premined coins.
wanna make a bet? I would love to be able to hedge against him not doing the right thing OK I'm betting 1000AUR on Balduro making the right thing. He has two options to do the things right: 1) he will burn the premine 2) he will equally distribute the remaining premined coins to the 1 stage airdrop addresses. make that BTC 0.06 (currently equals AUR 1000) and give me a date until Balduro has to have done 1) or 2) and I'm in. gentlemans bet? |
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Three more days until the airdrop ends! Let's see if Balduro does his final act and proves his legitimacy once more by destroying the remaining pre-mine. From there a very dedicated and capable new DEV team is ready to get this coin into phase two!
To be honest: after the deviation from the initial airdrop plan, I'm not sure wether balduro will destroy the premine. I have some hope, but I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens and maybe even the airdrop continues. How many days will you wait after the 25th until you decide balduro wont destroy the premine? |
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I'm sure that Balduro will do the right thing, regarding the premined coins.
wanna make a bet? I would love to be able to hedge against him not doing the right thing |
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Why not just print out the possible words, number them and select 24 of them by coin-flipping or using dice?
I lost you there... could you please elaborate? How would i integrate checksum? good point. I was a bit naive and thought any combination of words would be a valid passphrase. I'm not sure this is the case. Although using a mnemonic not generated by the algorithm described in "Generating the mnemonic" section is possible, this is not advised and software must compute a checksum for the mnemonic sentence using a wordlist and issue a warning if it is invalid.
Not sure how trezor handles this. |
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Hab erstmal keine Position.
Ich weiss schon was du meinst, aber das geht nicht. Man hat immer eine Poition (ausser man hat wirklich garnix). Ich nehme an du bist in fiat mit deiner btc-trading-kohle? |
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Is there a tool where I can flip a coin 256 times (or role a dice for example), then enter results + extra passphrase in and get 24 word + passphrase seed out?
You probaby shouldn't enter this on a computer. Why not just print out the possible words, number them and select 24 of them by coin-flipping or using dice? |
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I've reached a functional form of a "replacement" as of now and would like some feedback while working on a final version. For the time being downloads are free but subject to change. https://untorrent.me/Known issues: Leave the page, download is goneSave the link that is provided and you can come back to finish- Add a torrent that has been added already, can't download the zip
- Click the add button twice, same as above, can't download the zip
The known issues will be fixed soon tm, just looking for additional feedback on style, potential pricing, speed of download, etc. while I work. http://blog.codinghorror.com/version-1-sucks-but-ship-it-anyway/just tried the service... there was not enough funds available so I added some when I started the download. there is now 1 confirmation. Not sure how many confirmations you'll be waiting for, but don't you think 1 would be sufficient? I've been busy with school so the system isn't automated yet. I just manually upped the balance. Thanks for using the service. Thanks a bunch! Great service! I remember you made a thread for it, no? I can't seem to find it. |
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I've reached a functional form of a "replacement" as of now and would like some feedback while working on a final version. For the time being downloads are free but subject to change. https://untorrent.me/Known issues: Leave the page, download is goneSave the link that is provided and you can come back to finish- Add a torrent that has been added already, can't download the zip
- Click the add button twice, same as above, can't download the zip
The known issues will be fixed soon tm, just looking for additional feedback on style, potential pricing, speed of download, etc. while I work. http://blog.codinghorror.com/version-1-sucks-but-ship-it-anyway/just tried the service... there was not enough funds available so I added some when I started the download. there is now 1 confirmation. Not sure how many confirmations you'll be waiting for, but don't you think 1 would be sufficient? |
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If you find masterpub key (which can be done if you monitor the good things before getting hands on seed) you just need to match key, and not test balance.
Good point, but: if you can monitor the trezor you can probably also monitor the keyboard, so no need to bruteforce. |
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Question: How many different passphrases does Trezor support?
over 9000 no, wait all of them! How hard are the passphrases to crack compared to bip38? I know there is some type of key lengthening.... I'm mostly curious how hard short passwords are to crack if you have the seed. That'd be interesting to know, yes. I know one thing: on each bruteforce attempt you have to query the utxo set to see if there are funds, because there's no other way to know wether or not you have found the correct passphrase. In fact you also have to check wether there address has been used in the past (and now has 0 balance so it's not in the utxo set any more) and/or query a couple more addresses in case the first one was left untouched. That alone should slow things down quite a bit. The passphrase has to be entered via the pc, and there is no concealment from a rogue pc pin-cod style. That's a different attack. The question was how long would it take (in relation to passphrase length) to bruteforce the passphrase if someone finds your paper seed backup. That would depend on the length and complexity of the password and if anything about it was known to the attacker. With a strong password it could take thousands of years. Once quantum computers are mainstream it could possibly be brute forced within minutes but by then Bitcoin protocol would have changed to a quantum alogorithm. Let me rephrase the question then: how long would it take on commodity hardware worth 10,000$ to guess an 8-letter (uppercase, lowercase plus 10 special characters) with known seed words? |
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Jetzt sind wir an der unteren Linie angekommen. Hoffentlich prallen wir ab. Sonst könnte es panisch werden und dann müssen wir uns wieder aufrappeln.
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Question: How many different passphrases does Trezor support?
over 9000 no, wait all of them! How hard are the passphrases to crack compared to bip38? I know there is some type of key lengthening.... I'm mostly curious how hard short passwords are to crack if you have the seed. That'd be interesting to know, yes. I know one thing: on each bruteforce attempt you have to query the utxo set to see if there are funds, because there's no other way to know wether or not you have found the correct passphrase. In fact you also have to check wether there address has been used in the past (and now has 0 balance so it's not in the utxo set any more) and/or query a couple more addresses in case the first one was left untouched. That alone should slow things down quite a bit. The passphrase has to be entered via the pc, and there is no concealment from a rogue pc pin-cod style. That's a different attack. The question was how long would it take (in relation to passphrase length) to bruteforce the passphrase if someone finds your paper seed backup. |
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Selbsttäuschungs-Level nimmt wieder drastisch zu. Auf einmal ist wieder jeder Winning-Trader, alles ganz einfach, fallenden Kurse sind gut, steigende Kurse sind gut und jeder immer dick am nachkaufen ......
So sehe ich das auch. Wir bewegen uns nach wie vor im Abwärtskanal. Bei jedem kleinen Uptrend wird sofort wieder todamoon ausgerufen, dabei ist der nächste Stop eher bei $100 als bei $400. Und bei jeder kleinsten Korrektur kommen die Bären raus ;-)  bleibt mal auf dem Teppich, ist doch alles wunderbar. $100 halte ich für sehr gewagt. $400 nicht. |
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Question: How many different passphrases does Trezor support?
over 9000 no, wait all of them! How hard are the passphrases to crack compared to bip38? I know there is some type of key lengthening.... I'm mostly curious how hard short passwords are to crack if you have the seed. That'd be interesting to know, yes. I know one thing: on each bruteforce attempt you have to query the utxo set to see if there are funds, because there's no other way to know wether or not you have found the correct passphrase. In fact you also have to check wether there address has been used in the past (and now has 0 balance so it's not in the utxo set any more) and/or query a couple more addresses in case the first one was left untouched. That alone should slow things down quite a bit. |
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Question: How many different passphrases does Trezor support?
over 9000 no, wait all of them! |
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