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2261  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: August 22, 2014, 04:21:41 PM
can you tell me the differences between libertarianism and objectivism
I can. American right-wing propaganda machine redefined the word "libertarian" for clueless Americans, to suit their agenda.

Which is why the word "libertarian" only means what you think it means in America, and only to a small subset of heavily indoctrinated, mostly young and white, mostly males.

By the way, learn about your beloved Ayn Rand.
2262  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: August 22, 2014, 03:31:50 PM
But the question is what is the majority mindset of humans in any society? is it selfishness or altruism?
That depends on their culture. In a neo-feudal society which is governed primarily by violence and only secondly by reason, the majority mindset of people tends to be fearful and selfish.
In some - perhaps distant - future society which is governed solely by reason, the majority mindset will tend toward compassion, as that is the hidden truth of human nature.

If we're wired for compassion, why do we kill each other non-stop for the last 3000 years of recorded history?
There are some things you should probably know about human violence. Mainly, it's been steadily decreasing as we socially evolve toward our truest, most natural compassionate selves.

Related: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/28/science/researchers-trace-empathy-s-roots-to-infancy.html
2263  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: August 22, 2014, 03:06:47 PM
well I've always been libertarian, why the heck were you a socialist?!
Because compassion is the noblest and highest form of wisdom. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, Homo Sapiens are neuro-biologically wired for compassion.

Related: http://www.democracyjournal.org/16/6740.php?page=all


This is Sao Paulo, Brazil. It's a little glimpse of your "Libertarian Utopia" (read: wage-slave dystopia), capitalists:



Here in the USA, we're well on our way to Sao Paulo style inequality. Fortunately for wage slaves everywhere, we'll probably have a revolution before we get there.

There is a reason the word "libertarian" means something totally different if you go anywhere else in the world and talk to anyone who isn't a clueless white male American who stopped reading books after he finished Atlas Shrugged in 9th grade.
2264  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dropping to $350, do not buy in any dead cat bounces on: August 21, 2014, 10:48:06 PM
Nobody warned falllling this dead cat had a motherfuckin trampoline
Also jetpack and anti-gravity boots, cause this cat is from the fucking FUTURE.
2265  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: August 21, 2014, 10:44:04 PM
And don't forget poetry. Machines can't do that.
Yet.
2266  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price forecast Bitcoin on: August 21, 2014, 10:31:22 PM
My prediction is that in the history of the Earth no one will ever know the future.

haha I also know it and it's just a prediction based on the experience that has happened in the years before his


Here is a statistical prediction, if anyone is interested...

A statistical explanation why 1BTC may equal 1M USD in future...

Value of 1BTC (around figure)

2009 => 10-2 USD
2010 => 10-1 USD
2011 => 100 USD
2012 => 101 USD
2013 => 102 USD
2014 => 103 USD
2015 => 104 USD
2016 => 105 USD
2017 => 106 USD

--- Early Adoption Ends Here and The Price Stabilizes ---


With respect, has anyone ever called you a clown!

Try applying a little bit of maths to your theory.

 Let me give you a clue and you can work it out for yourself.

Let's assume that in 2017 there are 15 million bitcoins "minted" with a value of $1m per bitcoin.

Now go and google the Global GDP!

D'oh!!!!!!!!
You are forgetting that the value of a dollar can (and does) fluctuate just as easily as the value of a Bitcoin...

2267  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Shut up and wait 5 years.... If it is what we think it is, it will be. on: August 21, 2014, 10:13:08 PM
This is ignorant. The rich will always be those who find ways to provide value to people. The poor will always be those who don't.
Yeah, sure, just like it's always been throughout history. The elite are and always have been the most VALUABLE members of society, right?

Certainly not the serfs toiling in the fields, growing food for everyone... certainly not the masons buildings the houses and castles... certainly not the soldiers fighting and dying to protect the kingdom / nation. Certainly not the scientists discovering everything that has made modern life possible..



It's always been the wealthy elite upon which society has depended for survival.

 Roll Eyes
2268  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Make youself heard now or never - NYC Bitlicense comment period extended on: August 21, 2014, 10:09:44 PM
I sure hope they give us permission to use our bitcoins!
lol iknowright.

Wouldn't want to be exchanging bits of mathematical information without governmental permission!  Roll Eyes
2269  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: August 21, 2014, 09:12:49 PM
People will always believe in private property and profits.
You think you believe this more firmly than the nobles of the feudal age believed in the eternity of the divine right of kings?

The difference is that my viewpoint is based on equality

The fact that you would dare use the word EQUALITY when discussing capitalism, is how I know without any doubt that you are an economic fundamentalist exactly as I have described.

"Equality", in capitalism, looks something like this.

And this.

and this:


2270  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: August 21, 2014, 09:05:23 PM
People will always believe in private property and profits.
You should be more careful when using words like, "always".

You think you believe this more firmly than the nobles of the feudal age believed in the eternity of the divine right of kings? The infallibility of their Lord, God?



Consider that today - a mere few centuries later - the typical internet-using, freethinking young person finds the concept of god to be downright ridiculous

Think on it, rub those 3 braincells you were given together, see if you can't come up with some spark of insight.
2271  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: August 21, 2014, 08:44:50 PM
I'm afraid that just like theists and their all-powerful, infinitely-loving God, the perfect version of capitalism that you advocate exists only in your imagination.

It has never and will never exist in reality.

This is the definition of economic fundamentalism.


And "anarcho-socialism" has existed when exactly?
Some point in the post-capitalism future, I imagine.

Are you an economic fundamentalist?

For all you white male American "libertarians",

Anarchism and capitalism are diametrically opposed ideologies, incompatible at the most basic level.

Is “anarcho”-capitalism a type of anarchism?

Anyone who has followed political discussion on the net has probably come across people calling themselves “libertarians” but arguing from a right-wing, pro-capitalist perspective. For most people outside of North America, this is weird as the term “libertarian” is almost always used in conjunction with “socialist” or “communist” (particularly in Europe and, it should be stressed, historically in America). In the US, though, the Right has partially succeeded in appropriating the term “libertarian” for itself. Even stranger is that a few of these right-wingers have started calling themselves “anarchists” in what must be one of the finest examples of an oxymoron in the English language: “Anarcho-capitalist”!!!

Arguing with fools is seldom rewarded, but to let their foolishness to go unchallenged risks allowing them to deceive those who are new to anarchism. Here we will show why the claims of these “anarchist” capitalists are false.

Anarchism has always been anti-capitalist and any “anarchism” that claims otherwise cannot be part of the anarchist tradition. It is important to stress that anarchist opposition to the so-called capitalist “anarchists” do not reflect some kind of debate within anarchism, as many of these types like to pretend, but a debate between anarchism and its old enemy, capitalism. In many ways this debate mirrors the one between Peter Kropotkin and Herbert Spencer (an English capitalist minimal statist) at the turn the 19th century and, as such, it is hardly new.

(...)

Are “anarcho”-capitalists really anarchists?

In a word, no. While “anarcho”-capitalists obviously try to associate themselves with the anarchist tradition by using the word “anarcho” or by calling themselves “anarchists” their ideas are distinctly at odds with those associated with anarchism.

As a result, any claims that their ideas are anarchist or that they are part of the anarchist tradition or movement are false.

“Anarcho”-capitalists claim to be anarchists because they say that they oppose government. As noted in the last section, they use a dictionary definition of anarchism. However, this fails to appreciate that anarchism is a political theory.
As dictionaries are rarely politically sophisticated things, this means that they fail to recognise that anarchism is more than just opposition to government, it is also marked a opposition to capitalism (i.e. exploitation and private property). Thus, opposition to government is a necessary but not sufficient condition for being an anarchist — you also need to be opposed to exploitation and capitalist private property. As “anarcho”-capitalists do not consider interest, rent and profits (i.e. capitalism) to be exploitative nor oppose capitalist property rights, they are not anarchists.

"...Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love,
love for one's country which is not part of one's love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship
.”
-Eric Fromm, The Sane Society

This is the 21st century, folks. The plain fact is that humanity can do better than capitalism.


Yours in compassion and solidarity,

World Citizen Beliathon

2272  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Make youself heard now or never - NYC Bitlicense comment period extended on: August 21, 2014, 06:18:11 PM
Chinese Bitcoin Exchanges Submit a Joint Letter to the New York Department of Financial Services

https://vip.btcchina.com/page/notice/?id=17en
2273  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin addiction? Serious topic on: August 21, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
i had a dream last night and i draw a picture of it:
ahahaha amazing.

Yeah, I guess you could say I'm probably a little bit addicted to reading about and discussing Bitcoin. What of it?
2274  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So is Bitcoin the Greatest thing since Sliced Bread? on: August 21, 2014, 01:59:39 AM
I can slice my own bread with any sharp object.

I can't, however, be my own bank without Bitcoin.

Thanks, Satoshi.

2275  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Lows Test Cryptocurrency Investors' Resolve on: August 21, 2014, 01:57:24 AM
This post is bad and you should feel bad. And it belongs in speculation, since the only thing the article is discussing is price movement of BTC.
2276  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Even us *legendary* members were *newbies* once on: August 20, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
damn, i wish i had an activity of 1022  Cheesy

To be honest it has been hard lately as there has been few *quality* topics to post in lately.

I have this fun hobby of finding absolutely shit threads, and then adding a dose of reality and wit to make them winners.
2277  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price forecast Bitcoin on: August 20, 2014, 10:23:23 PM
The hen wakes up in the morning. Sees the sun and expects it to be like this every day. For a while it is. Hen wakes up, sees sun, goes to sleep in the evening. One morning however the hen wakes up, sees the sun and the farmer shops its head off.
"It has been like this" is not an argument for the future.
I love this analogy, it's perfect. The farmer is the nation-state, and the hen represents any threat to the nation's sovereignty and/or monopoly over money creation.

Bitcoin is one such threat. If the farmer (nation) could chop off Bitcoin's head, he would. The Chinese farmer already tried. So did the Russian farmer.

Now the New York farmer (Lawsky) is trying to cut off the hen's head, and he will fail too. Because there's just one small problem with your analogy, friend.

Bitcoin is not a hen. It's a Hydra.



And in this myth, the Hydra eats all the farmers.
2278  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are miners HODLers? on: August 20, 2014, 09:38:43 PM
Can't speak for all miners, but personally I'm not only a HODLer, but a HOARDER.   Cool

I don't spend a single satoshi (actually I have, but recouped it back mining/selling equipment), just keep hoarding until the eventual pop, and will start spending BTC once it's universally accepted as payment everywhere.
Intelligent person detected.
2279  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price forecast Bitcoin on: August 20, 2014, 07:35:30 PM
...because everything else is linear or why?
because:



and:

2280  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Progressing too quickly? on: August 20, 2014, 04:26:03 PM
Bitcoin's progression is normal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHUPPYzzZrI
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