In answer to the bit about religious leaders, let's try a thought experiment. Let's suppose your church is absolutely right, in every feature and detail. That means you and I can agree that all those OTHER believers--everyone who has viewed God differently than you do--has been mistaken. That's over 6 of the 7 billion alive today, and tens of billions through history believing in false gods.
Who could be behind all these false gods?  People are behind all gods, what's amazing is that they actually convinced people who live in 2018 that they exist. I understand that thousands of years ago, people were ignorant and a god seemed like a plausible explanation but now? It's just silly, really. Cause and effect is behind everything. If people are behind the gods, then whatever started C&E is behind the gods.  So no free will, which means your god cannot be real because he supposedly gave us free will. You can't have free will and cause and effect on everything. Thanks for feigning being a "fellow atheist", I think he knows better folks. Look what he's doing, he's claiming cause & effect and free will are mutually exclusive. Show us proof of your claim mr super-star.  I suspect he's pushing a group consensus on no God because he believes he is chosen by God and his people are are the only ones who can know about the creation of Earth and Man. Everybody not part of the tribe needs to believe in atheism because they're filthy slave animals not worthy of the truth. You and your children need to believe you're insignificant microscopic specs of shit stuck to the surface of a lifeless ball of space rocks hurtling through a cold, empty lifeless vacuum sparsely lit with heavy balls of fire. There's no heaven for filthy goyim like you, just the wrath of heavy balls of fire in the sky. It could also be I'm mistaken and he's a hardcore degenerate psychopath and the thought of facing consequences for his actions from a righteous, just and all seeing God has him in panic mode; atheism is a way for him to bury his head in the sand. I'm guessing knowledge of an all seeing entity recording everything causes some hardcore "oh shit" moments for a lot of people. Badecker claims that everything has a cause and that cause also has a cause, till god. If everything has a set cause then how can I actually have free will? If everything has a set cause, nothing is random, therefore everything is already set, everything that I will do today, tomorrow and for the rest of my life is already set to happen. If that's the case then it is impossible for me to have free will, my decisions aren't really mine and because everything was created by god, as you claim, god is responsible for our actions, therefore he shouldn't punish or reward us. |
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I was kind of amazed by the exchange of ideas here.
Well, for me, evolution remains to be a theory, yes, just that, a theory, until now. I don't know how Charles Darwin became a celebrity scientist right after he theorized that what we are now are different centuries and centuries ago. Perhaps because his idea was sort of radically new? The discovery actually caused a bandwagon mentality among a lot people. The entire world was stirred by his claim. Established religion was terribly shaken to its core. School curricula are challenged. The people's comfort zone was rendered uncomfortable.
And again, the classic, it's just a theory. Before saying more stupid shit, read what a scientific theory means because it's pretty much the best thing you can have in science. |
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In answer to the bit about religious leaders, let's try a thought experiment. Let's suppose your church is absolutely right, in every feature and detail. That means you and I can agree that all those OTHER believers--everyone who has viewed God differently than you do--has been mistaken. That's over 6 of the 7 billion alive today, and tens of billions through history believing in false gods.
Who could be behind all these false gods? People are behind all gods, what's amazing is that they actually convinced people who live in 2018 that they exist. I understand that thousands of years ago, people were ignorant and a god seemed like a plausible explanation but now? It's just silly, really. Cause and effect is behind everything. If people are behind the gods, then whatever started C&E is behind the gods. So no free will, which means your god cannot be real because he supposedly gave us free will. You can't have free will and cause and effect on everything. |
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Just the opposite. Trying to show you jokers that science is finding out that their misguided theories and assumptions about where things came from are just what they are... misguided. It is turning our that former science was not nearly knowledgeable enough to determine anything. And now that we are getting more accurate science, we are moving toward finding out that the Bible is 100% accurate. You watch. In a few years science will prove multitudes of things that show that God exists and that the Bible is right... even if it is done by proving that their own theories are all wrong... just like mitochondrial science proves that essentially all life can be no older than about 200,000 years. You said you believe that God created Earth 6000 years ago. You don't see a problem in what you believe and what the article says? No problem at all. Why not? At least 2 reasons: 1. Secular science says it. If secular science said they found solid evidence "that God created the earth 6000 years ago," I'd be shocked; 2. Science has long thought that life appeared possibly millions of years ago. Now they have found out that life couldn't have appeared over about 200,000 years ago. So, why should I be upset that science is finally moving in the direction of the truth? Obviously they aren't there yet, and that's too bad. But the fact that they are finally going in the right direction is applaudable. You couple of jokers can't even seem to wrap yourselves around the idea that secular science is proving that its former ideas (which you BELIEVE in) are wrong. Soon they will get down to 100,000 years; then 50,000 years; then they might even start to say that everything before the time of Christ is halo images, and we honest folk will have to start proving that the pyramids are really thousands of years older than only 2,000 years. Unfortunately for you, they were only talking about life, not earth. Maybe life couldn't have appeared over 200.000 years ago but earth is still far older, let alone the universe. ''Soon they will get down to 100,000 years; then 50,000 years'' And you know this how? Let's not talk about evolution, let's talk about your trash argument, you claim we are designed but you never explain how you know something is designed or not. |
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And what makes people adhere to these things? The biggest reason by far is that they get religion, and then act according to what their religion tells them... to not harm their bodies. So, they stop doing harmful things, and start doing healthy things. Health and religion go hand in hand. Unfortunately that does not make religion true. If you need a lie to be healthy then you are simply weak. Religion is always true. After all, you are truly living your own personal religion. If it were not true, you wouldn't be living it. However, some parts of your personal religion are not correct. Mostly they deal with things like the existence of God, and the future. You never explained how faith and free will exist together, I asked you several times but you always ignore it in the end because you know it makes no sense. You claim we all have faith at first but you also claim we can lose that faith thanks to our free will, however, things outside our free will like your mother dying or being born in a muslim country are not things you control. You agree that someone born in a christian country has it much easier to believe in the bible than someone born in a muslim one, right? Obviously those 2 situations are totally different, totally unfair as well for the guy who is born in the muslim country. How is any of this fair if we all experience life in different forms and we don't control any of it? |
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In answer to the bit about religious leaders, let's try a thought experiment. Let's suppose your church is absolutely right, in every feature and detail. That means you and I can agree that all those OTHER believers--everyone who has viewed God differently than you do--has been mistaken. That's over 6 of the 7 billion alive today, and tens of billions through history believing in false gods.
Who could be behind all these false gods? People are behind all gods, what's amazing is that they actually convinced people who live in 2018 that they exist. I understand that thousands of years ago, people were ignorant and a god seemed like a plausible explanation but now? It's just silly, really. |
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^^^ Balance is the thing that leaves room for imagination. For example. We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents. Chickens have baby chickens. Alligators have baby alligators. Bears have baby bears. And this happens for all the forms of life. And it happens countless numbers of times all around the world, from giant whales to microscopic single celled creatures. Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once. All of this works with such balance that we have lots of room for imagination. The thing we imagine is evolution. And the excuse for imagining evolution is that we are unwilling to recognize what we are really seeing... adaptation. Why are we unwilling to recognize adaptation? Simply because that's what we want to do. Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place. Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place. Not even one proven happening of evolution. It totally doesn't make sense that smart scientists can imagine that evolution happened without having ever seen even one for-a-fact instance of it, and yet know for a fact that trillions of like-begets-like and adaptation are happening all over the place. Evolution is a science fiction hoax. I'm a bit comfused.. Everything you say agrees with evolution "We look all around us and we see offspring of both plants and animals that are similar to their parents" True, thats part of evolution.. "Never do we see chickens having baby alligators. Never do we see alligators having baby bears. Never do we see bears having anything other than baby bears. Not even once." True. The evolution therory says the same thing. "Countless numbers of like begets like proven all over the place. Countless forms of adaptation proven all over the place." True So why are you sudenly jumping to "Evolution is a hoax" if you agree with everything in the therory? I have asked you before. Read up on what the therory is. This just makes you look stupid Badecker is someone who will not learn anything ever. He keeps yelling ''it's only a theory'' but you can see him in the flat earth thread defending gravity against notbatman, gravity is also just a theory, isn't it? |
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Notbatman claims the moon, other planets, stars and the sun are all fake, holographic projections. He never explains who made these projections or how they exist, is it alien technology? How could these projections exist thousands of years ago? What's their purpose?
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How can you say Evolution is a hoax?
Just because religious books such as the bible and most ancient texts do not go farther than 6000 years ago does not mean that where we are today did not come thru the survival of the fittest thru evolution All the evolution books are religious books. The earth and the laws of physics in the form that they have been for the past approximately 6,000 years, are different than they were before 6,000 years ago, IF indeed the universe is older than 6,000 years or so. The idea that some of the before-6,000-years-ago physics is similar to that which exists now might be true. But there isn't any evolution outside of simple change, and adaptation. We don't know what might have gone before, if there was a before. Are you suggesting that the laws of physic have evolved too? Interesting concept I have to say. If you add a lot of zeros to 6000, so the time frame becomes a lot larger, I have to agree. Even more interesting, you put an IF in front of universe prior to 6000 years ago. Some Middle East and Egyptian cities are very close to being continuously inhabited for this timeframe. Some longest living organisms (have lived or are living) surpass this timeframe with ease. Did they exist prior to the universe? Laws of physics have not evolved. They may have abruptly changed about 6,000 years ago. Included are the laws of time, making whatever time was before, to be different than it is today. As for countries and organisms living before about 6,200, how do you know? Don't tell me you were there. Don't tell me that you know for a fact that in the last 6,000 years there haven't been any national novels made in countries, or that physical appearance we see scientifically, absolutely indicate that it was always this way. Science, itself, has found out that there have been many cataclysmic events in the past that have changed our ideas of what we believed before we discovered the cataclysms. What I mean is, if the first C-14 for carbon dating came into existence 4,500 years ago, how could our carbon dating go beyond 4,500 ago? And that is what the ancient writings seem to suggest - that there was a "cloud" around the earth before the Great Flood of Noah's day, preventing the forming of C-14. Carbon dating is not a certain thing. Same with the other forms of scientific dating for one reason or another. Then how can you believe the bible? Who says that people didn't make up everything that's written in the bible? The bible is not a certain thing, same with other religious books. |
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The conclusion should have been that
- restriction of alcohol and drug use
- less stress
- volunteerism
- involvement in social organizations
- strong family relationships
all contribute to a longer life.
And what makes people adhere to these things? The biggest reason by far is that they get religion, and then act according to what their religion tells them... to not harm their bodies. So, they stop doing harmful things, and start doing healthy things. Health and religion go hand in hand. Unfortunately that does not make religion true. If you need a lie to be healthy then you are simply weak. |
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Wait, are you trying to disprove the existence of your god Yahweh? You think the bible and the world are like 6000 years old, the article says ''researchers reached the stunning conclusion that nearly every species dates back just 100,000 to 200,000 years.'' So thanks for disproving Yahweh. LOL You’re right, BADecker just disproved the Bible. Just the opposite. Trying to show you jokers that science is finding out that their misguided theories and assumptions about where things came from are just what they are... misguided. It is turning our that former science was not nearly knowledgeable enough to determine anything. And now that we are getting more accurate science, we are moving toward finding out that the Bible is 100% accurate. You watch. In a few years science will prove multitudes of things that show that God exists and that the Bible is right... even if it is done by proving that their own theories are all wrong... just like mitochondrial science proves that essentially all life can be no older than about 200,000 years. You said you believe that God created Earth 6000 years ago. You don't see a problem in what you believe and what the article says? It seems to me that most of the times he doesn't really understand his own arguments, it's just the delusion in his head. |
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Payments should be regular, there was a regular payment system in the past. In addition, the day of payment should be determined.
Seeing how thos on 777 campaign have been paid, is there any timeline for us getting our payments as well, and has the campaign been suspended or not. It's not suspended, just delayed. Probably next week. |
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^^^ Proof those arguing in favor of the globe can't do it in good faith; they resort to concern trolling and strawman arguments.  BUT WHO IS PROJECTING THEM, WHO MADE THEM? |
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Stakes for twitter/facebook for week 1 are updated. If you think there has been any mistake, feel free to pm me.
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Hey notbatman, have you ever thought about one thing. You claim planets, outer space, the sun, stars are all fake or holographic projections made by NASA and governments, how come people thousands of years ago saw them too? Were those projections made 5000 years ago?
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In addition to the above ^^^, the people in those countries are Roman Catholic, not Christian. Ask them. They'll tell you. Roman Catholic in Spanish speaking countries is different than it is in the States. They are Catholic first, and if they are Christian at all, it's at least second.
Venezuela (89%), Honduras (87%) and El Salvador (80%) are very Christian countries. Where is CoinCube to point out how Christian values help societies and that without Christianity people would be killing each other in the streets? Oh, wait, that is what they are doing in those three countries.
They all follow the bible, what are you saying lmao, you don't have an argument here, it's clear that a country with a lot of christians doesn't mean a good country, plenty of examples. |
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Welcome in 2018 - the earth is flat and we still have dinosaurs.
Sorry but dinosaurs are a hoax. Is there anything that's not a hoax? We've got organized crime running the show, they've lied about everything possible. And you found about it, you must be a super genius. What's your gameplan? Have you done anything differently since you found out everything is a lie? I guess posting in this forum has to be one of your least concerns right? Now that you know all the truth, you must have something more important to do than posting here, right??? |
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Sometimes it's really hard for me to accept that these videos are real and not just a troll. Does the creator of this video realize that when he is making the argument that ''there is a green screen and all the people there are not filming, he is using a video from someone who was there filming, filming the rocket as well? So that guy was filming for real? What the fuck is in this guy's head? Then he says the whole thing it's fake because the flame and light travel through the smoke?  ? Then he shows a bird passing close to the camera? Does the creator realize that many space launches are seen by millions of people? He thinks it's all CGI? |
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Welcome in 2018 - the earth is flat and we still have dinosaurs.
Sorry but dinosaurs are a hoax. Is there anything that's not a hoax? |
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I do not think the earth is not flat, judging from the naked eye it is seen very clearly the earth is not flat earth is not flat because there are soaring mountains many hills and the sea is so vast and deep.
so in my opinion the earth is not flat.
This video is for you. Flat Earth... A Mountain of Evidence -- https://youtu.be/DPDtMQqlprk (mirror) He is looking at the wrong peaks, they all are in the 6500 to 6600 ft range.He has all the peaks listed on his slide, look to the left of the peak in question. Now you ask your head nurse if you can go outside. I see no evidence he's made any mistakes in identifying the peaks. You're just making dishonest arguments so you have an excuse to act like a rabid dog. Nice evidence, no pictures or videos of the flat earth, no pictures/videos of the dome or the sun's projector, yet you somehow believe that all the pictures and videos we have are all fake. I mean if you can force yourself to believe all the millions of pictures of earth are fake you might as well not believe in anything. If you think the governments around the world were able to pull this off, faking gravity, planets, the universe then why believe in anything at all, for all I know the guy in your video could be a paid actor by the government too and they could be faking that the earth is flat too just like another deception. |
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