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2321  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What your family thinks about that you into crypto on: August 13, 2019, 12:12:29 PM
Bitcoin is an investment place which is different with another investment place IMO. If you talk an investment in another place such as real estate, stock and etc then I can sure you won't say their place will go to the moon. The movement price of them will move slowly but it has a slight risk compared to bitcoin who has volatile price and high risk as well.

My family know and appreciate against my decision when I intend to invest in bitcoin because I said to them bitcoin is digital asset such as gold but I never told to them about bitcoin deeply because it will make them confused. They will know every investment have each level of risk which should be accepted by all investors including me at this point. So, to make them believe in me I'll not say the profit that I get when investing in bitcoin, but I'll show to them the money that I get when bitcoin price goes to the moon later.
2322  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you agree with this crypto expert's bitcoin price prediction? on: August 10, 2019, 03:02:17 AM
Well!! Popular crypto expert Tim Draper predicted the bitcoin price.

According to Tim Draper, Bitcoin Price Will Hit $250k by Q1 2023

What's your take on this?
Should I take any action when some expert launch their prediction toward bitcoin price in the future?

There are some factor who will be consider by some experts to say bitcoin will touch x price in the future and the main factor is halving on bitcoin itself.

I'm someone who have a confident that through bitcoin halving event the price of bitcoin will meet an increasing price.

Other than that I think there is many people who consider that bitcoin is included to a safe heaven place such as gold and this thing will make bitcoin have a high demand in the future.
2323  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Why do whales move Bitcoin around from wallet to wallet? on: August 10, 2019, 02:51:37 AM
Does it have something to do with the arbitration strategy? CMIIW

I just thinking about it, they will send bitcoin in wallet an exchange and move to another wallet exchange so as they will get profit to do that.

2324  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Earning bitcoin is hard but i still keep fighting on: August 10, 2019, 02:44:50 AM
Trying to get bitcoin in a suppose free way by bounty is the most difficult task, especially if one is based on signature alone because of bad past experience of many failed project. Trading on its own is very technical and difficult. Requires a lot of monitoring and discipline. What does one do? keep pressing higher.
The problem is your knowledge itself, you won't say earn bitcoin through bounty or signature campaign is hard with one note you have an ability and knowledge against it. I'll be grateful when I have a board knowledge about cryptocurrency as a whole and I can speak english well then I'll join signature campaign on this forum who paid almost 0.03 BTC per week, that is the large amount for me if I change them to money fiat.

Also, trading field is really hard I must say it. I tried to learn about trading for almost two years until now but I'm not being a trader professional in cryptocurrency. But that is for me if you want more and try hard to understand how to trade maybe you won't say trading is difficult, at least you have a strategy and you have got profit through your strategy.
2325  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Ethereum on: August 10, 2019, 02:29:29 AM
ya betul gan bukan hanya eth saja yang kenak dampak nya semua altcoin juga begitu kok. pengaruh pergerakan cepat bitcoin yang membuat semua altcoin terpuruk. uda gtu banyak orang besar mengatakan bahwa cuma bitcoin yang layak untuk di investasikan jangka panjang
Intinya 2019 bukan tahunnya altcoin, cukup nyesek juga ketika mengeluarkan modal yang cukup besar untuk memilih beberapa altcoin sebagai tempat investasi namun pada akhirnya berakhir dengan kerugian dan penyesalan, I mean penyesalan kenapa tidak memilih Bitcoin sebagai tempat investasi.

Biasanya, seperti pada tahun 2017 lalu ketika bitcoin start mengalami kenaikan harga maka sebagian besar harga altcoin mulai mengikuti kenaikan harga, sedikit tidak menyangka pada waktu itu harga ETH nembus $1400 namun tidak terjadi pada tahun ini.

Ada contoh lain yang menurut saya banyak investor yang menaruh harapan banyak, yaitu pada litecoin halving yang terjadi 5 Agustus lalu namun peristiwa halving tersebut sepertinya tidak memberikan sedikit efek pada pergerakan harganya.
2326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: I stop using some exchanges on: August 09, 2019, 05:49:30 PM
it depends on you to maintain the security of the account that you have,
All you do is register for security using 2FA with your cellphone, Google Authenticator or confirm every time you start accessing the exchange you entered

Yes, but it is not a good idea to register in all the exchange due to because of some security restrains. Only concentrate on one exchange in which potential coins are listed because registering on multiple exchange will leads us to confuse more about the coins.
Have you know about arbitration strategy? I guess you should know first about before you made a statement to don't have several exchange.

I get used to use some exchange to arbitration strategy when the bull run come because it is an easy way to gain profit instead to gain profit through trading.

The exchange on crypto market is always have different volume/price each other, you can your coin to gain profit such as coin A at binance exchange only have price $1 but at bittrex exchange the coin A has $1,5 then you can send them into bittrex exchange and you will get profit from it.

That is the function you have several exchange on crypto market, because to gain profit is not only thru on trading only instead you have more interest as a trader only.
2327  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The Things That Comes Into Your Mind When Winning... on: August 09, 2019, 05:32:32 PM
When I got triple winning on the dice game and then I lose twice afterward I'll stop it and come back again later.  I get used to use the strategy when I lost 1 and I'll bet 2 on the next round and I repeat again until I get profit. To stay in the gambling place for at least five roll always made me confuse and I don't have a real though to make a decision so as it will be better to get out and try in another day.  
2328  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I've lost on: August 09, 2019, 04:25:29 PM
At least I can deny to some people who argue that investing on bitcoin is close to gambling. The price of bitcoin is really made its investor be caught in a snare, yeah I really passed it with many confusing to make a decision. I came across and I started investing on 2017 ago when its price was $15.000 and I was tried to bought it with the target if bitcoin reach $25.000 I'll sell it buy it never happen the price just fallen down and me to wait a long time till I made a decision to sell it with a lost situation.

In your case I really deplore when you choose a gambling place to replace your loses when investing in bitcoin. I can't imagine it, even you brave to took another capital in your saving money to recover your loses. But I don't think you made it because you find a fail continuously, there is a time you won a huge betting but you just continue to play and forget bad things to happen. Made this thing is an experience for you to face any situation in the future in your life, and also this is a learning for me/us in order to remember that there is no way to gain money through an easy way.
2329  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Antara uang dunia dan digital on: August 09, 2019, 03:08:14 PM
Bentuk legal atau tidak legal harus bisa dibuktikan secara valid.
Dalam hal ini saya tidak mengatakan bitcoin atau crypto lainnya dapat dijadikan sebagai alat pembayaran yang sah (legal). Tetapi bitcoin maupun aset digital lainnya bisa dijadikan jembatan transaksi keuangan.
Jadi sederhananya, cryptocurrency adalah sebuah asset atau protokol teknologi dimana penggunaannya bisa dijadikan sebuah instrumen pendukung rupiah untuk melakukan sebuah transaksi. CMIIW

Pertanyaan lain; Saya membeli dan membayar gula dengan USD 10 (fiat). Apakah pembayaran sah? tentu tidak, karena satu-satunya pembayaran sah adalah dengan menggunakan mata uang rupiah.

Dengan kata lain mata uang USD (fiat) tsb telah berubah fungsi menjadi aset jika dilakukannya transaksi di Indonesia.

Bagaimana cara saya melakukan pembayaran dengan aset tersebut?
Aset tidak bisa dijadikan alat pembayaran, tetapi aset bisa dijadikan sebagai jaminan pembayaran. Dan prosesnya sama seperti bitcoin postingan saya diatas.
Okay paham saya baru mengenal tentang fungsi dari transaksi derivatif, yang dimana penggunaan cryptocurrencies bisa dijadikan sebagai jaminan pembayaran karena di Indonesia sendiri bitcoin dkk dikategorikan kedalam komoditas.

Sebenarnya ini adalah celah untuk menggunakan crypto di Indonesia. Tinggal bagaimana adopsinya dlm platform jual beli atau bentuk pembayaran jasa lainnya.

Misalnya:
"Tagihan bukalapak anda adalah IDR 1,6 juta rupiah. Silahkan melakukan pembayaran di ATM, Indomart, Alpamat, atau kantor pos.
Bagai komunitas kripto anda bisa melakukan jaminan pembayaran dengan digital aset bitcoin sebesar 0.01 BTC pada walet address 1buk4L4paK******** dengan sign address sbb: ...bla...bla....bla"

 Grin
Sepertinya ini adalah proses waktu saja, ketika penggunaan ovo dan dana mulai marak digunakan saya yakin cepat atau lambat akan ada sebuah start-up baru yang menerima cryptocurrency sebagai alat jaminan pembayaran atau melakukan isi ulang saldonya.
2330  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Cloud mining has Hidden viruses on: August 09, 2019, 07:21:35 AM
Some of the threads below tell about cloud mining,

1. Cloud farm-mining.com website is a scam!
2. start-mining.com scam, don't join this scam website
3. Is HashFlare About to Exit Scam ?
4. Cryptominingfarm.io is a scam cloud mining site
5. Seedhash.com Scam - Cloudmining

And you can find more on the scam accusation board, at least these things has become a reason to stay away from cloud mining.
2331  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Am done with KYC on: August 09, 2019, 07:11:18 AM
For projects that want us to offer KYC, those are really bad projects. because they need our information to sell to other businesses to make money.
therefore, we should only select the campaigns that tokens are listed on, they will not ask us to implement KYC.
Depend on the team behind the project itself, I'll give my KYC if the project's team is legit and I'll trusted them to use my personal identity.

In other side, I'll choose project who has a potential, I mean when I read all about the project is really interesting and I ensure the project will give a huge profit for me.

Therefore, when you choose bounty campaign you need to make an analyst against them, I think you have gave your KYC since you came to crypto industry, either to taken part bounty program or to make an account in the exchange.
2332  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How many of you are still here for the longterm ? on: August 09, 2019, 07:01:21 AM
are you guys still waiting for the next cryptocurrency market cycle ? or some of you just accepted your losses ?
Don't store your money for investing if you afraid to lose, investment is high risk to store your money. Even you store them into cryptocurrency which is known have a high volatile price you will not comfortable on it. Choose bank account to store your money but you will not get anything although you store them in a few years. I guess, something that must be known by some people when they start to invest is they are willing to lose their money, that is the  main risk in investment place.

All investors/new comers need a knowledge when they start to invest, most of them who leave in lose situation are they who didn't know the knowledge of investment itself. So, I'll answer your question based on my knowledge, I won't leave my investment in cryptocurrency although my money has been reducing for almost a half. I'll stay until the price altcoins that I choose goes up again and I'll sell them when I got profit. That is my strategy to store my money into cryptocurrency.
2333  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Overview of Altcoin bounties on: August 07, 2019, 02:44:50 PM
I often saw some member of this forum made a thread to give an information about the latest bounty campaign on this forum, but most of them just gone away and never active anymore.

I hope this thread will always give an information about bounty campaign and the latest bounty campaign more over there is some information about payment and a bounty campaign who didn't pay their participant, seems like this is a useful thread and keep up the good work OP.
2334  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Removal of signature before end of the campaign shouldn't cause disqualification on: August 07, 2019, 02:36:01 PM
This is pointed out if you have taken part with one of bounty campaign you have to promote the project until end.

I think to take part bounty campaign is not only choose the new bounty program, but you have to convince that the bounty campaign that you choose is really promising and will give you a profit when the campaign end. Which is mean you need an analyst against it, there is many aspect that you consider before choosing bounty program. Hence, if you have chosen one campaign you don't need look for another campaign just stay on it until the program end.

Yeah, I look it is a fair thing as long as the bounty manager have said that for those bounty hunter who remove the signature before the campaign end will not get a reward in the rule. So as when you don't comply these things you will get as a result, and didn't give a negative point to those manager who have a such rule.

2335  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why do cryptocurrency exchanges delist some altcoins? on: August 07, 2019, 02:15:22 PM
It could be another reason, whatever the reason and conflict that lies between the dev and the exchange management that lead them to have miscommunication then they would be forced to delist it.

As for those coins that has turned to a scam, most of the exchanges that has that coin delisted it. I've seen a coin that has been delisted to all of its exchange where it has been listed so that factor is for real.
I'll mentioned that BSV coin is an instance the coin who have a conflict so as it was delisted on an exchange such as on binance, right?

But I'm still wondering the coin who caught as a scam coin but it was listed on the exchange, can you name one of them?

As far as I know if there is coin/token who have a fake team and end up with scam they won't ever to listed on the exchange. Their purpose only collected a money from such as an ICO, if the ICO has ended the coin won't be send by the team because they will run away before the ICO project ends.
2336  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Info Airdrop dong siap reff 😁 on: August 07, 2019, 01:53:42 PM
Untuk cari airdrop silahkan ke https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0 dan silahkan pilih yang anda yakini. Tapi lebih baik jika mengikuti airdrop tanpa harus mengirim ETH untuk mendapatkan reward.
Untuk informasi airdrop di local board Indonesia mungkin yang lebih tepat disini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751577.15080

Untuk OP saya sarankan ketika membuat sebuah thread agan harus baca baca terlebih dahulu khususnya rule yang ada di forum ini.

Cepat atau lambut thread ini akan di hapus oleh Moderator karena sudah ada thread yang khsusus untuk para member dalam memberikan atau mencari informasi tentang Airdrop.
2337  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Antara uang dunia dan digital on: August 07, 2019, 01:41:29 PM
-snip- Karena memang sebuah alat transaksi yang sah digunakan sebagai sistem pembayaran adalah mata uang fiat itu sendiri dan semua alat pembayaran lain akan ditolak. -snip-
Bitcoin atau cryptocurrency lainnya masih bisa difungsikan untuk transaksi membayar/membeli barang (rumah, dll.) dengan syarat, fungsi dari Bitcoin tersebut diposisikan sebagai media jaminan pembayaran.

Sebenarnya hal tersebut tidak menjadi halangan dalam melakukan transaksi.
Yang penting KWITANSI (bukti bayar) pembelian adalah bernilai RUPIAH.
-snip-
Dalam proses ini, BTC adalah sebagai media jaminan pembayaran.
Dan pembayaran akan dinyatakan sah dan legal jika kwitansi/bukti bayar sudah dikeluarkan oleh penerima dana dan dalam bentuk nominal jumlah IDR.
Masih sedikit kurang paham dalam hal ini, berarti secara tidak langsung kita bisa menggunakan bitcoin dan altcoin sebagai alat pembayaran yang syah meskipun dalam faktanya penggunaan rupiah hanya dijadikan sebagai bukti tertulis saja?

Boleh minta sumbernya ga kang husna/om pandu bahwa pemerintah kita membolehkan transaksi seperti itu biar saya baca terlebih dahulu.

Edit: Maaf saya tidak membaca secara keseluruhan thread ini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2750875.20 ternyata om pandu menyertakan sebuah sumber, akan saya pahami terlebih dahulu.
2338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: invest? gambling? or trade again? on: August 06, 2019, 03:06:10 PM
There is no an instant profit if you choose investment as the place to recover your loses although your target only $600. You need a long time to recover your lose through an investment especially you only have a small capital on your pocket so I'm thinking you will be in hurry when you choose investment.

Gambling, actually I'll say yes that gambling will give you an instant profit, maybe you only need an hour to make 3x profit in your capital. But, it is only depend on lucky, your money will be $1800 in an hour if you have a lucky even you will get more profit instead of that.

Trading, BTC price has been moving up currently and LTC has passed halving event a few days ago seems like its price will goes up again, but these are my prediction only. If you have a mentality to face in any situation and you have more knowledge to trade in cryptocurrency I'll suggest to choose trading to recover your money.
2339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Red Trusted Managers Don't Accept Red Trusted Participants on: August 06, 2019, 02:49:51 PM
Absolutely true, there are some projects that has a bounty manager with red trust, and there some reasons why they have that red trust. They don’t accept red trust participants because they implementing rules and regulations of the project, and also if they accept the red trust it brings a bad image for their projects.
May I know how many are they? Since I know the bounty manager who got red trust only wapinter who still active in managed bounty program.

Also, if I become bounty hunter and there is bounty program who managed by bounty manager who has red trust and even their rank are full member and below I won't ever to take part with. Unless bounty campaign who managed by legendary account and he is trusted person before and he got red trust I'll still followed him because he is trusted person and I can believe him.

2340  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which Shitcoin should we hold now? on: August 06, 2019, 02:37:07 PM
I don't think there is someone who give you a real/good suggestion to choose one of the three shitcoin as you mentioned.

Since I know most people on this forum will hate the shitcoin and they will ignoring them to be choose for an investment place.

Have you know what a shitcoin mean? As far as I know shitcoin is a coin/token who didn't have any potential, the price will be drop when has been listen on the exchange and eventually will be delisted on the exchange.

But I don't think if there is a shitcoin who gain 400% increase as you mentioned, maybe you gave a wrong assumption toward the coin itself.
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