Bitcoin should be a collaborative work with people contributing code, writing documentation, etc.
Who would pay the salaries? Associating private companies with Bitcoin development could be a recipe for disaster.
and so too may be the current recipe we are stewing in the alt coin are not absolute clones of btc for a reason, most of the alt developers decided to improve on btc in various ways as you see in an earlier post one coin already solved the issue of this thread in their coin Bitcoin it's a religion, it's a money scheme that could be used for many different purposes, and ONLY reason why it took off so fast and so high is because you can make lots of money really fast, without that motivation people leave the endeavor behind in the blink of an eye. |
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Maybe it should come out of those miner's fees. I'm not saying all you get is 20 BTC and nothing more. That's crazy. I'm just offering something WE the members of this forum who happen to be reading this thread could do to help. I'm sure we could collectively cough up 20 btc or so, but I don't think the dozen of us could afford some dude's salary in perpetuity. If I were the CEO of an exchange, I'd pay y'all's salary. However, I doubt Karpeles is gonna turn on the faucets any time soon.... I think that the OP is correct. Any core developers who hold less than 20 BTC, let us know and we'll all chip in to make sure that you have at least 20 BTC so that when bitcoins replace the USD, you'll have a nice fat $10 million reward.
Being paid a salary may or may not be counter productive. I mean, if they get paid even if things get screwed up and BTC tanks? Or if they get paid only if BTC succeeds? That's why the 20 BTC holdings idea is better. Their success is tied to the success of BTC.
That's great. Now how do I pay rent and put food on the table for my family in the mean time? Yes, I have a handful of bitcoins tucked away in a never-spend paper wallet just in case. But sometimes I question the sanity of that as its current value is less than my credit card balance. How do you expect core developers to actually work on bitcoin today, without being paid enough to live on? I love when newbies come here and they always have all the answers... The more you post the stupider you sound to be honest. Take them out of miner's fees? Then guess what we are not decentralized anymore. Your arbitrarily use of the term 'decentralize' is interesting. You acknowledge the Bitcoin decentralized system, you acknowledge the centralized body (creation team -- CT) that created it, you quote the CT when you feel it should be followed by the decentralized body, you point to one centralized body (core dev team -- CDT) to maintain the decentralized body and another centralized body (CT) for the basis for the illogical non-funding of the CDT although the CT made decentralized provisions for the decentralized maintenance of the system via transaction fees. If the decentralized system cannot, or grows to a point where it does not, operate wholly in a decentralized fashion, provisions must be made to facilitate it's modern growth and development. Beit Newbie or Oldie no one in the Bitcoin biz has more than 5 years exp |
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If you can't work on bitcoin because their is no pay then don't work on bitcoin. As you probably know the more the core dev team changes, the better for proof that we are actually decentralized.
I'm not sure how that logic can possibly generalize. I'm making enough to live on, barely, and continuing to work because I believe the work I am doing is important. But I get annoyed when I see this persistent, baseless meme that all bitcoin core developers must be posh millionaires just because bitcoin is now seeing some success. Some are well off, but others are not; and not for any reason having to do with being a core developer. We need to find ways for the community and industry to pay these people a living wage so they can devote 100% of their time and energy into improving bitcoin, rather than expecting or demanding that service for free. And that is complete non-sense, while I don't believe and I know for a fact not every developer is a millionaire, the goal of the core dev team should NEVER be for profit. This is how bitcoin is going to get ruined. Please don't be like Gavin who demanded he gets paid and is now getting paid. Remember the core of bitcoin is to be decentralized, paying developers to work on it makes it more like a company. To be honest I rather see after 1 year of development that the developer leave the project to show that we are not relying on who is working on the project but the project itself. This is how the government works, everything someone does needs to be paid for, otherwise why do it? This is not how bitcoin should work, bitcoin in the beginning was never about getting rich or getting a paycheck it was about a revolution in currency and more a decentralized currency which no one could tamper with. But now it is all greed from the developers to the forum, it hurts more than anything and I bet satoshi is crying. It is like that pretty girl that everyone wants to date, but she is hurting on the inside. So I suggest if you can't live on the bitcoins you are getting, leave the project, this would be the most helpful instead of being a whiny baby about how you don't get paid for your work on bitcoins cause that is what our lead developer is a whiny baby who wanted to force people to pay for his work, cause he has an ego. So get off your ego and develop for the advance of the currency or don't develop because you are just a greedy pig. Clearly the rant of a slave driver-sweatshop owner mentality. |
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This is an issue that is being addressed in MemoryCoin. A percentage of newly mined coins are set aside for salaries and coin owners get to vote on who receives the salaries. Everything is controlled in the blockchain so it's fully decentralised.
that sounds like a responsible self-tax system, that allows the system to be be self funded and perpetual |
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The developers do get paid - in Bitcoin. If they were paid in fiat that would be almost hypocritical.
who is paying them in bitcoin? wihat is their bitcoin salary |
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self-funding makes more sense than getting payement
"self-funding" makes great sense, now define it. What does or should 'self-funding' mean? |
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I respect the Bitcoin core devlopers but I'm sure they have got enough money for investing in Bitcoin and their own creation.
look at how easy it is for people to count other people's money the work they are doing is volunteer, it doesn't matter how filthy rich they may be, if they want to be paid for what they do how is that different from the same person with no financial means seeking fair compensation for his human resource contribution? To me, fair pay is a portion of the permanent added value, which isn't because the clock ticked; nevertheless, it should not have anything to do with the size of his wallet. Bad enough people pay others based on some "prevailing wage", 'what the market will bear', or some other fancy way of devaluing one's professional worth, to do it based on the fact that 'he's rich already', or 'he doesn't need the money' should be insulting. If they choose to give back the salary, donate the money, or whatever it's their EARNING to do as they please. They are volunteers yes but I didn't say they got paid did I? I said they invested in Bitcoin which I would see no point in them developing it even though they didn't invest in it. The context of the conversation is "Bitcoin Core Developers Should Be Paid" as such, anything you say should be construed by all readers of your text as for, against, or about that subject unless you say otherwise. You said: "I'm sure they have got enough money" in the context of the conversation any reasonably intelligent individual should logically conclude that you are implying that they don't need to be paid for what they do because they "got enough money". The contrary conclusion is illogical. |
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$8 @ Bitstamp last, on condition you deliver first.
PM me the code with your Bitcoin address for payment.
I appreciate your offer, although it is acceptable, your request for "the code" leds me to believe I need to reitterate a portion of the auction terms. The giftcard code was overscratched, which means a portion of 'the code' is missing, as such the new card holder needs to use what reamins of the code plus the whole GCA number to contact Apple customer service to receive the remainder of the missing code. With a scan of the card you get ALL of the information so that you can contact Apple customer service for the parts of the code that was scratched off. To my knowledge bitcointalk.org's PM system doesn't facilitate attachments. If you understand the complete terms of this transaction please acknowledge same then provide a proper email address for delivery of the scan. thanks |
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lol  ok, what's the matter? |
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This excerpt came from correspondence I received from Cryptsy moments ago
"We recommend you purchase your Bitcoin from one of the the following Bitcoin merchants below as they have been proven to be trustworthy and reliable.
Campbx US
Coinbase US
BTC-e Russian
MtGox Japanese"
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I respect the Bitcoin core devlopers but I'm sure they have got enough money for investing in Bitcoin and their own creation.
look at how easy it is for people to count other people's money the work they are doing is volunteer, it doesn't matter how filthy rich they may be, if they want to be paid for what they do how is that different from the same person with no financial means seeking fair compensation for his human resource contribution? To me, fair pay is a portion of the permanent added value, which isn't because the clock ticked; nevertheless, it should not have anything to do with the size of his wallet. Bad enough people pay others based on some "prevailing wage", 'what the market will bear', or some other fancy way of devaluing one's professional worth, to do it based on the fact that 'he's rich already', or 'he doesn't need the money' should be insulting. If they choose to give back the salary, donate the money, or whatever it's their EARNING to do as they please. |
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Selling An Overscratched USA $10 iTunes Gift Card
Armis does many promos involving itunes gift cards, a while back we did a number of promotions where $10 gift cards codes was the prize.
The way we transferred the instrument was to scratch off the 'scratch off' to reveal the code then scan it for email delivery. At times overzealous scratching resulted in removal of part of the code. since the card has no expiration date we decided to 'bank' the overscratched cards for some subsequent promotion. Although we had many other itunes promotions since we never went back to those cards, we always bought new ones.
I have many $10 iTunes gift cards that I intend to auction off individually.
This first auction will start at only $8 to encourage an early response. You may pay with any equivalent value currency listed on the Cryptsy or Poloniex exchange.
After receipt of payment and your email address I will scan then eship your gift card to you. Upon receipt contact Apple customer service with the GCA# who will in turn give you the remaining numbers missing from the code.
For this first auction, the winner will be the first bidder. So bid fast.
When I do the second auction I will end that auction early as well, depending on how bidding goes. Always bid your highest and best early since no one knows when the auction will end.
I will allow the 3rd auction to reach 5 bids or the highest bid by the 3rd day.
I'm hoping the good attention results from these auctions.
good luck and enjoy
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Bitcoin seems more and more dead  Maybe it's time for another and more matured crypto currency to enter the stage. I have no idea which one, but it appears that the Bitcoin is going to experience strong headwind in the future. Because a 20x (+) price increase YoY means that it is dying. essentially nothing happened from year 1 to year 3, then suddenly in year 4 it blossoms in a magnificent way going from double to triple digits, to quad-D, but that was so 2013, it's now 2014 when btc is seen negotiating a slalom-like trip from a summit of $1200 down to $500 on one leg and $91 on another -- a bifurcated disappointment.  don't try to spin it, the facts are already dizzy |
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As a practical problem, you can image their assets/free cash being tied up in litigation or in compensating customers.
If they are reducing their office footprint, I can't imagine them expending resources to defend a trademark a financial priority.
They would have to retain a US lawyer who would no doubt want their fee up front.
The are not apt to defend it based on infringment but would likely defend against any claim of ownership, and I suspect that matter would get folded into some larger action (bankruptcy, receivership, etc). |
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Finally good news! I think it is the answer to MtGox's customers how to get out their coins from this shitty company
this site provided pretty much the same meal on a different plate. |
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Good movies on paradigm changes typically come 5 years after the event has fully matured.
Otherwise they're typically done half-assed and end up not being that great.
But since Hollywood loves to rush to make money, they've been making movies on things before they've even finished "changing the world".
(Facebook movie, Eminem movie, etc). Wish they would wait until the full effects have been seen and appreciated by the world.
-B-
hahahahaa by the time I finished reading your writing the 'hanna montana' chick popped into my head -- another truly sad story that will be a blockbuster movie |
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When I logged in ~4 hours ago Gox was at $90. Good I thought, but now it's at 130, guess it has something to do with http://www.coindesk.com/has-company-found-workaround-mt-gox-withdrawals/. However a when the CEO announced he was going to fix it it also rose a bit. Gox will go into it's grave, unless some rich man buys it and fixes everything. And now we are talking dubai-sheik rich. I love articles like that, they put the stuff that pulls at the top, puts the meat in the middle, but also let's you see the crap at the end: “I just think [Karpeles] is just really bad at PR. At Dreamhost I’ve had PR disasters myself. We made a billing error and we over-billed people millions of dollars, and we weren’t as apologetic as we should have been. Immediately, it was like, oh, that didn’t go down well!” "Jones stepped away from operational duties at Dreamhost in March 2010. He said he sold his shares in the company in November, but he uses his track record with the web-hosting firm to prove that Bitcoin Builder should be trusted by its customers." and "One Bitcoin Builder trader, who runs a ‘bitcoin hedge fund’ in New York City, says he was reassured by Jones’ transparency about his identity. The trader, who wished to remain anonymous, said" hahahahahaaha love it, love it, love it. |
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IN THE COMING YEARS? Whoever invests $5K in the machine, and perhaps another $50K in infrastructure for the thing is looking to make money now. Given the spread that was mentioned above, there is lots of profit to be had with the thing.
That's almost certainly not true. Anyone with that much money to invest is looking to make a large profit long term, not a small profit short term. Of course, there is lots of profit to be had with the thing in the short term too, partially from being first to market and having no competition (they can charge more than market value), and partially from the fact that most of the users don't even know the regular exchange rate. No, it's not a novelty and not for novices, its for people who have a btc wallet, btc address and QR code and cash for the smaller machine, or all of that with or without the QR code but with a full palm print for the larger machine.
If you don't have your phone you can't use the little machine.
Both of these are also untrue, at least for the machine in Boston (I don't know about any of the other ones). The people who put it in have been spending the past few days standing next to it, explaining how to use it. They were handing out paper wallets stocked with small amounts of free bitcoin, and a QR code so you can use the machine with it. And it's certainly not just for novices. They were impressed at the fact that I had a phone wallet, and had a backup of the wallet I use to store my savings. They're clearly not catering to power users. The MACHINES are for people who are btc literate and btc wallets ready. A promo with great media hype and a host of people selling, discounting, explaining, and demoing the product is not how things will normally occur -- every reasonable adult knows that. BTC is a complex currency, not to mention all of the other things one must reasonable do to safeguard their coin, if some had $1 worth of btc at the time of the promo, and went back there today in an effort to see their balance or anything else they could with the 'receipt' (paper wallet), if they were able to actually get that type of info out of the machine they would see a 30% reduction in value simply because of the market rates. I don't know what you mean by "power users" but my point is they are SHOULD not be seeing susie-shopper as their key demographic. Their key demographic is the bitcoin savvy buyer, user, and trader who might travel miles to get a coin(s) immediately, even at that premium rate. |
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Selling USA iTunes gift card
$12 equivalent value in any cryptocurrency is acceptable
card never expires
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The best thing for btc is to be associated with stable fiat
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