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2321  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: CoinJar - Australia's first VC-backed Bitcoin startup on: November 15, 2013, 08:54:57 AM
so I noticed the other day, your site said something about transfer limit had been reach with your bank?

what is this limit?
2322  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Coin Validation, the implications on: November 15, 2013, 08:20:46 AM
If a data base is developed that contains the addresses that are valid, this may cause the following effects.

[1] approved Banks , financial institutions, credit issuers, lenders will issue addresses that will be included in the database.

[2] Companies, vendors shops etc will only accept BTC from addresses in that data base

a result of [1] & [2] makes any coins on other addresses worthless. End of game unless

[3] the free market is more efficient than this, doubtful as the black market is not that big vs legal market, taxation is used as the enforce the laws.

[4] zero coin or similar is introduced that makes bitcoin untraceable.


>> [4] has to be done fast. Sooner than later or worthless coins incoming. If there is enough momentum behind the untraceable solution, then that's it.

I hope I am wrong
2323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BTC-E FTC Delisting Scam on: November 14, 2013, 06:46:13 PM
I have wondered for some time with the price of btc going up how safe it is to leave any amount on an exchange. the target thatis getting painted on btc-e just gets bigger to be hacked one way or another.

I have been most impressed with BTC-e technical stability, however this last event shows even if  a genuine mistake   there must be some serious procedural issues going on.

2324  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: November 12, 2013, 07:00:46 PM
Why don't cellphones still cost $2,000 and cellphone plans cost $0.35 per minute?
So why a college degree doesn't costs $1000 or health insurance $100 per year?!

Because the State is heavily involved in both education and healthcare ... regulating, interfering in private transactions in these areas and in the worst cases  totally monopolising the provision of them.

have to agree with this.
2325  Economy / Speculation / Re: how many BTC is enough? on: November 12, 2013, 10:15:05 AM
its crazy to think just over a year ago bitcoin was at $3-$4

i agree...its pretty crazzy....the higher is goes the more force it exerts on making people use it or miss out on that business, it says to companies here is x billion market cap on the table, that can be sent around infinitely, do you want some of this business? Do want to store some wealth to the consumer?
2326  Economy / Speculation / Re: Calling it: Peak of $1,600 by the end of the year on: November 12, 2013, 10:09:26 AM
$1600 would be surprising, but only mildly. The key thing here, in addition to China, is that the BIT took off. That was the x-factor: are people actually buying the BIT or is it just languishing? People are buying, bigtime ($15 million invested in 6 weeks so far). Now that it has a track record of big gains, more will pile in. This is going to be huge, as a severe coin shortage happens due to them all being vacuumed up by Second Market, and it will manifest as a sort of organic series of little panic buys as we have been seeing.

This is what I think most in the financial community still do not fully understand.

They are used to working with investment instruments like the GLD ETF, where if there is a temporary short of the underlying asset they just fractionalize it and create paper promises (example GLD holding little physical gold and mostly paper).

Bitcoin is not fractionalizable, this is a massive difference. Wall street of course will try to fractionalize it, but will get badly burned because there is  no central entity to bail out bad/risky decisions.

Every other financial instrument exists with the boundaries of state FIAT currency, bitcoin is competing at with the FIAT currency level. 99.99999% of current economists and traders do not comprehend this fact, and the fact that  no one ever made money trading shares etc, they just swap around and existing amount of fiat money and change its velocity.
2327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC on: November 12, 2013, 09:59:14 AM

People get car loans/leases every day. It's a baby business transaction.

Imagine taking out $10,000 BTC car loan in October...
Now you owe $20,000 in BTC, baby... and your car is now worth < $10,000.

That's why Bitcoin is a total non-starter as a currency...
But it's gonna do great as a commodity.

Unless an Alt can manage volatility...
By linking it's value to something like gold or a commodity basket...
Or have a professional futures exchange to hedge volatility...
Crypto coins cannot be used in even SIMPLE real world business transactions.

at cap out point though it should be stable or steady state, eg it will reach a natural market percentage and that it, at that point it may be very hard to influence the price that much because there wont be enough entities left with free cash/resources that are prepared to do this.
2328  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: November 10, 2013, 03:04:20 AM
and no, see what would the insensitive for the doctor to work faster, and it still takes about 15 minutes for a person to describe symptoms, basic checks and order tests, then come back again for results.
I said about analyzing diagnostic data, e.g. MRI or X-ray scans.
very few dr's do that, thats why radiologist get paid so much there are hardly any. So its not going to have much of an effect.

Further Dr's refuse to give results out results (and the law back them) unless you coem and see them, it take time to go through the implications of the results and then plan and continue.

I think there are way around this but it will be the omni healer 9000 where you just get in and it can fix 90% of stuff.
2329  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: November 09, 2013, 10:14:12 PM
the actuators of the robots is no where near what we need to do many tasks.
But they just don't need. Moreover - most jobs today don't require hardware mechanisms entirely, only software.

"IBM Watson will definitely shrink number of doctors"

no that profession will get laws passed that the human is the one has the license to practice, and they are free to use the computer, so they will remain highly paid and employed just have much easier jobs.
As Watson could do all the job, even if the law will be passed requiring approval of the diagnosis from the human, this doctor will just sign the result paper produced by software thus replacing 1000s of the doctors working manually now.

and no, see what would the insensitive for the doctor to work faster, and it still takes about 15 minutes for a person to describe symptoms, basic checks and order tests, then come back again for results.

The data extraction human patient can not made faster, what your going to talk 1000 times faster. Sure a biometric chip/band think may help a bit but its still going to take that time
2330  Economy / Economics / Re: Effects of hoarding on trading on: November 09, 2013, 10:04:01 PM
"Gresham's Law" Bad money drives out good

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/greshams-law.asp


Investopedia explains 'Gresham's Law'
Coins were first made with gold, silver and other precious metals, which gave them their value. Over time, the amount of precious metals used to make the coin decreased because the metals were worth more on their own than when minted into the coin itself. If the value of the metal in the old coins was higher than the coin's face value, people would melt the coins down and sell the metal. Similarly, if a low quality good is passed off as a high quality good, then the market will drive down prices because consumers won't be able to determine the good's real value.

the whole law I believe states this is true until it isn't, eg hyperinlation of the debase currency, and it's back to gold (i'm not a gold bug by the way)
2331  Economy / Economics / Re: Any country with no-chargeback cards? on: November 09, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
I have always wondered this in the bitcoin world, how do you get the supplier to perform?

eg I buy laptop online send btc he does not perform. This seem to be a disturbingly regular event for online service such as wallets and exchanges that just have their btc disappear.

I suppose trusted escrow will be the new "banks" until that escrow runs off or is hacked.
2332  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: November 09, 2013, 09:14:23 PM
the money just isn't in the manufacturing economy that people fera for blue collar automation jobs.

See the glut of cars we can produce versus need?

also the actuators of the robots is no where near what we need to do many tasks.

as to

"IBM Watson will definitely shrink number of doctors"

no that profession will get laws passed that the human is the one has the license to practice, and they are free to use the computer, so they will remain highly paid and employed just have much easier jobs.

as to wealth generally, it is in the land and house/infrastructure.

2333  Economy / Economics / Re: The Problem With Altcoins on: November 09, 2013, 08:48:41 PM

This guy understands very little of tech of money creation

"make moneys rather than to become money"

no one makes money except of a central bank, due to stateist controls, and arguably now bitcoin miners.

further tech does not work that way, it can ealiy be adapted and evolve, and the evolved from takes over the market or a new form.

This works 2 ways eg BTC could absorp in inovation in a way say the aircraft company would struggle to.

It's hard to think or many first movers, retaining the lead in any field, if I am wrong through a few at me.
2334  Economy / Speculation / Re: Poll: Top of the Current Bubble on: November 09, 2013, 08:20:25 PM
more people have been through the 250 to 50 drop and seen the 32 to 2 (was it?) drop.

It was sorta written of both times by all the people that "know" economic institutions/ smart professors and media  as the end, and yet is has defied them and come back.

This makes people more battle hardened and inured to price collapsed. Last high 250, you just hold if take profit later if you really wanted to.
2335  Economy / Speculation / Re: Best Growth for Bitcoin on: November 09, 2013, 08:14:19 PM
each time we crash hugely there is a real risk that the overshoot might be so big that it actually kills bitcoin.

Really? Explain how dropping down to $2 can kill bitcoin? Wild oscillations are normal for this type of completely unregulated herd-driven market; and bitcoin's essence could never be killed by any amount of overshoots, given that there are larger periods of stability inbetween the wild rides, allowing it to be used for transacting once the new price levels have been established.

And no, I don't think it is possible for bitcoin to just freeze around the new ATH level without oscillating. That only means there's more room to go up.

If it goes to $2 now, everybody will write it off as worthless and nobody will want it any more. It currently costs about ¥1000 to buy a hardcover book. Nobody has a problem with that in Japan. But if suddenly it cost $1000 to buy a hardcover book, in the US, there would obviously be a big problem.

Declines in value are what causes people to lose faith in a currency, not how much a single unit of that currency actually buys.

if it went to $2...i would buy that like there was no tomorrow.
2336  Economy / Speculation / Are we parabolic yet, it certainly feels/looks that way? also spikes closer on: November 09, 2013, 08:07:48 PM
If so heading for the correction, I am so tempted to sell and buy back my but am on long term perma hold...I can't bring myself to do it...

Are we in parabolic territory?

also why is this spike closer to the last one, than the last one was to the one before that bitcoin speeding up would be one possible inference

well that went off topic

I took parabolic to mean it looks roughly parabolic on a log chart
2337  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: ECDSA encryption replacement on: November 06, 2013, 07:47:10 AM
At least get the terminology right in your FUD: ECDSA is not encryption.

yeah ok, my error,

the ECDSA scheme that is used, and if it can be reverse engineered makeing all coins remaining in a address that has spent coins, able to be acquired.

The loss of confidence by itself would be very damaging.

Is there any way to replace this with a more secure mathematical scheme?
2338  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why I think Bitcoin will be over $5000 a coin on: November 05, 2013, 12:04:25 PM
I think Satoshi may become the worlds first trillionaire...in some time.....
2339  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / ECDSA encryption replacement on: November 05, 2013, 11:47:41 AM
I hear whispers that ECDSA is crackable....is there any way to change this part of the encryption scheme/codebase to something more secure?
2340  Economy / Speculation / Re: Chances of $150 again on: November 05, 2013, 11:42:34 AM
the problem here is everyone has now seen it go from ATH to 50 ish and almost back, 32 to 2? ish and back....its sort of becoming oh well I purchased at ATH, and its going to 1K, 10K 100K whatever so who cares at this point, buying now is still good.

Then there is everybody waiting to pounce on $150, and imagine the buy as $100 or sub that now.....its sorta setting a floor, but it was just 2 - 3 months ago it was $75 - $85 if memory serves....

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