I think that you really understand that your reasoning is false. If people didn't value bitcoin they wouldn't care to exchange anything for it, whether it ultimately turns out a pyramid or not. This is evident. Actually, it is more interesting now why you are still going on with this garbage here...
Yes at the moment people think that bitcoin has value (most people actually dont even think about bitcoins actual value, but only buy because the price is increasing). Thus they pay something for it (price). That does not mean that bitcoin actually HAS value. People can think that something has value even though it has no value (to a rational and sane human being). Thus something can have a HIGH PRICE despite having no value. People can be incorrect, and once they figure it out, the PRICE adjust to the objects actual utility (from the perspective of a rational and sane human being) in fullfilling human needs. Anything has value only as long as people are thinking it as having that value which depends on its utility, i.e usefulness. The reasons for valuation may vary (water vs alcohol, bitcoin vs dollar), but the grounds however different they may be or seem to be invariably produce the same scale of estimation within human mind... There is no valuation beyond subjective valuation by people. To say that "people may think something has value even though it has no value" is equal to saying that there is intrinsic value in things (logical necessity) existing beyond an individual's assessment of utility, whereas there is none actually... |
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There's definitely a lot that can be automated like cooking and teaching. These are relatively simple things. But, can you really automate neurosurgery/heart surgery in the next year? It is possible; There are surgery simulators out there. So if we took Surgeon Simulator 2013 and upgraded it to have easier controls, more intuitive controls with very high detail simulations of surgery we could, by using machine learning, learn all the necessities of surgery from average users. Yes I know sounds crazy, but as more people successfully complete the surgery with a A.I. observing the best players it can learn what to do and by observing the unsuccessful players it will learn what not to do. I think it will be easier and more expedient to design nanobots that would make repairs (in the way natural healing occurs) without actual surgery than build a robot able to carry out neurosurgery... |
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Самый серьёзный недостаток биткоина, про который ещё не раз вспомнят, это необратимость операции. Народ это выдаёт за достоинство, однако не вижу здесь ничего хорошего. Если в банке переведёшь деньги не туда, то их, как правило, оперативно возвращают, а тут даже если на несуществующий кошелёк отправишь, то всё, можно сказать, с концами...
Финансами надо распоряжаться аккуратно. Ага, и переходить улицу на зелёный свет, останавливаться перед зеброй, уважать старших, не обижать младших, и вообще лучше быть здоровым и богатым, чем бедным и больным... Спасибо тебе, Капитан Очевидность, за наше счастливое детство за то, что озарил наш путь! |
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And now you came here to share with us your intimate knowledge of how things actually stand with bitcoin? What is the real purpose of spouting all this drivel on us? Why the heck do you care? Are you scared by the fact that your shiny metals and miners are falling head to the ground and will ever continue to do so?
As I said: I hold a substantial position in silver (and some gold). I also hold a lot of gold and especially silver miners. Now obviously if you are invested in gold/silver, you better know and understand the alternatives. I wanted to share my thoughts, so you guys can appreciate the position of a extreme bear. Again I believe it is a pyramid scheme. This explains a lot. So you've been watching the rise of Bitcoin all that time (while gold and silver were heading down in scaringly wide strides) and kept on persuading yourself that it had no value... Now I understand you and the fact that you came here screaming aloud and blaming Bitcoin for your pains! |
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I never said that utility of an object is the same for each person. However everybody needs to eat and drink. Thus food and water have utility for everyone. Nobody can do anything with BTC except dump it on the next guy. It has 0 value. You will agree with me once this pyramid collapses.
I think that you really understand that your reasoning is false. If people didn't value bitcoin they wouldn't care to exchange anything for it, whether it ultimately turns out to be a pyramid or not. This is pretty evident. Actually, it is more interesting now why you are still going on with this garbage here... |
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I'm intrigued. What does it mean, somebody bought his acccount? He lost all his bitcoins when his hard drive crashed and went postal? He got abducted by aliens and replaced by a different entity? Please enlighten me  Yes that was my first day after I heard about bitcoin. I didnt think much about it and already had concerns. Now that I have informed myself I hold the position that bitcoin is a pyramid with 0 value that cant be money. Yes I do hold gold and silver as well as gold and silver miner, BECAUSE i think gold and silver is real money. And now you came here to share with us the intimate knowledge revealed to you of how things actually stand with bitcoin? What is the real purpose of spouting all this drivel on us? Why the heck do you care? Are you scared by the fact that your shiny metals and miners are falling head to the ground and will ever continue to do so for the reason of bitcoin? |
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Value doesn't come from demand, quite the opposite. Some value should necessarily exist before to support demand. And the intrinsic value you refer to here is called utility, i.e. usefulness for achieving individual's ends. How on earth could value be intrinsic if it changes with people's preferences?
lets all agree that intrinsic is a synonym and means something that has utility on its own. these pedantic arguments are really annoying. There is no utility existing on its own. Utility is always subjective and differs between people. In fact, even for one individual the utility of the same thing is different at different times (see the law of marginal utility). If anything had utility on its own, no exchange would be possible at all... |
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No, if people would not value something, why the heck would they want to buy it in the first place (i.e. create demand for it)? Value is the cause of demand, demand is the effect of value, if this clarifies things a little. The notion of supply is superfluous here and, yes, it is caused by demand (either open or hidden)...
I think we're both confusing which "value" the other is talking about. Value 1. the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something. 2. estimate the monetary worth of (something). Your saying that because someone perceives to value (no. ) a G/S they will purchase it, or be willing to purchase it thus creating demand. My argument is that it is this demand which in turn results in it having value (no. 2). Actually, it is you who are confusing issues here. The monetary worthiness of something which is determined through exchange is called price... |
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Теперь вы предлагаете, чтобы в ситуации, когда при нулевых резервах и уведомлении была создана заявка - мы давали бы еще дополнительную скидку?
Кроме этого "автоматически" - подразумевает техническую реализацию. Даже если мы согласимся с этой идеей, ее реализация попадет куда-нибудь на июнь… есть намного более важные задачи сейчас. В том числе пункты 1 и 2 из вашего предложения
Именно так, если фактическое время ожидания превысит, например, трое суток. Не вижу здесь ничего криминального. Если бы клиент заранее знал о таком развитии событий, он бы, очевидно, сразу же выбрал вариант со скидкой. Это компенсация за непредусмотренное длительное ожидание... |
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Спасибо за отзыв и за комментарии. 1 и 2 - учтем и постараемся реализовать. 3 - это исключение. Наша главная задача - избегать таких исключений. А что до ставок комиссии… мы можем и 0% поставить, если народ будет сообща оплачивать наши расходы  Вот как раз для таких исключений и следует предусмотреть систему дополнительных скидок. Я не думаю, что ваша прибыль от этого сильно уменьшится (поскольку это, с ваших же слов, исключительная ситуация), но у клиентов такая новация найдёт самый положительный отклик, даже если им с этим ни разу не придётся столкнуться на деле... Для того, чтобы не было таких ситуаций, у нас предусмотрено: - резервы на сайте, которые показывают, какой объем мы можем выплатить оперативно - 12 часовая гарантия, при превышении которой пи наличии резервов ставка комиссии будет равна 0% (и пару раз это правило применялось уже). - при нулевых резервах при создании заявки появляется уведомление, что время ожидания может занять больше 24 часовЕсли мне не изменяет память, при нулевых резервах (как это было в моём случае) появилось уведомление о том, что время ожидания может занять больше 12 часов. Если у вас есть сомнения в том, что мне это не приснилось, проверьте сами... |
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I don't know whom you replied actually, but no, demand comes from value, not the other way round. And your case just confirms it. People would value signed t-shirts, and thereby arises demand for them...
Actually, I'm pretty sure you have it the wrong way around. Supply comes from the fact that there is value, with value in in itself being derived from the fact that there is demand. Supply does not dictate demand, instead suppliers will move to fit the demands of the consumers. If no one in the world demands your signed t-shirt then it has no value and then no one will bother to supply it. If there is demand, someone will eventually find a way to supply such a demand (provided it is viable). No, if people would not value something, why the heck would they want to buy it in the first place (i.e. create demand for it)? Value is the cause of demand, demand is the effect of value, if this clarifies things a little. The notion of supply is superfluous here and, yes, it is caused by demand (either open or hidden)... |
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Value doesn't come from demand, quite the opposite. Some value should necessarily exist before to provide. And the intrinsic value you refer to here is called utility, i.e. usefulness for achieving individual's ends. How could value be intrinsic if it changes with people's preference?
Surely value comes from demand? If I own a signed t-shirt, and 1000 people want it because the person signing it is famous, its going to be worth far more i.e. more valuable than if a nobody signed it and only they wanted it I don't know whom you replied actually, but no, demand comes from value, not the other way round. And your case just confirms it. People would value signed t-shirts, and thereby arises demand for them... |
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Another usually asked question is: What is backing bitcoin? It is backed by all the bitcoin miners around the globe with the most powerful network in the world, and one single consensus of never generating more than 21 million coins
Bitcoin is backed up by its inherent properties which people value because these properties help them reach their aims. Things as such are valueless.. |
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Many people say that bitcoin does not have intrinsic value, they typically compare it to gold and say at least you can make some jewelry using gold
Value comes from demand. If someday, people's preference changed and there is no demand for gold jewelry, then gold will not have intrinsic value anymore
Value doesn't come from demand, quite the opposite. Some value should necessarily exist before to support demand. And the intrinsic value you refer to here is called utility, i.e. usefulness for achieving individual's ends. How on earth could value be intrinsic if it changes with people's preferences? |
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I'm intrigued. What does it mean, somebody bought his acccount? He lost all his bitcoins when his hard drive crashed and went postal? He got abducted by aliens and replaced by a different entity? Please enlighten me Usually this means that the account has been taken over. Why would anyone want to break into someone else's account? |
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This guy has been registered since April 13, 2013, and became active only a few days ago. His only post on his first day here is quite different in spirit and style from what we see right now (you can judge for yourself in his profile). He has written some valuable piece of information at the end of that post which I cite below Diclosure: I own a substantial position in silver miners and like gold as well as silver. I am a follower of austrian school of economics. I hate fiat currencies and maybe want to buy some bitcoins in case they overtake gold as a medium of exchange. However I still have the concerns mentioned above. No follower of the Austrian school of economics could produce these piles of garbage he spouts out now. And in his second post more than half a year later he writes that he is "new to Bitcoin" (note the case of the first letter here and in the quote). You guess what this all means... |
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And you will have to pay toll on a regular bases to all those tribes that are fighting between themselves for centuries there. The best place with security and safety in mind is Antarctica. Lol.. even for going there you will need special permits. Not possible at all. If you decide to secede, you leave the jurisdiction of municipal law and become in a sense a subject of the international legal system just like, say, the Holy See. So you wouldn't actually need to obtain special permits from your government (if that was your point) since it is no longer your government... As an alternative, you can drift somewhere in the international waters |
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Assume for a moment that we can make artificial neurons that would be functionally identical to natural ones, and then we begin to gradually substitute neurons in brain with them. If consciousness would be preserved, then yes, the answer to your question is positive...
It would be hard enough to simulate a single neuron, let alone billions of them on the same scale is impossible (and illogical). I'm not talking about simulation, you seem to have entirely missed my point. I speak about artificial neurons that would be functionally identical to our own. Actually, we don't even need to place them physically into the brain... A neuron is not a solution to the problem of consciousness or AI. It is an electro chemical mechanism. There is no certainty that this is the only path to consciousness. Yes, we can't be certain. But could you propose any other reliable way to create or at least support consciousness if we don't know what consciousness actually is in the first place. I think that we will never be able to explain it, but this by no means prevents us from being able to create it (just as nature obviously does)... |
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The Pitcairns are administered by the British. And they'll kick your a$$ if you try to create a micro-nation there. Same with Nauru. It is controlled by the USA (although by proxy). Both Pitcairn and Nauru will deport you in a matter of minutes if the FBI issues a warrant against you.
I recommend bribing some African dictator and creating a semi-micronation somewhere in Sub Saharan Africa.
And you will have to pay toll on a regular basis to all those tribes that are fighting between themselves for centuries there. The best place with security and safety in mind is Antarctica. It is officially neutral, doesn't belong to any state (though some are claiming) and has no government. Also, you can make friends with penguins living there (Tux the Penguin being the official mascot of Linux)... |
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Stupid question: Given that payments are made on the 17th, if I were to jump on the bandwagon today, would I need 50 posts by the 17th of december? Just wondering, since I'm very interested!
Thanks!
Yes, you would have to write 50+ posts by the end of the 17th of December if you want to get paid for December. So don't wait and enroll today! |
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