I'm getting 2 of those the minute they are in. |
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6990s are not worth it. Period.
They are noisy too -- go ahead and google it. I was tempted to buy one used for $600 from someone locally, then I found out they A) run hot and B) run loud.
Oh, and they have a lousy $/MH.
Unless there is a motherboard/PSU drought where you live, skip the 6990.
It's all noisy when your running as many fans/cards as I am. Are you saying that cause you can't afford them or are you being serious? You have a limited amount of space with all motherboards, so you have to determine what combination is going to give you the maximum MH/s, and at this point in time the 6990s that are what give you the maximum potential off a standard motherboard. If you're on a budget and just slowly trying to get into this then sure there are more affordable options. I think if you could modify a main board to have 10 wide angle pci express slots,then you could make the argument that it's better to go cheaper and duplicate. However, when you are working with a limited amount of space (most standard atx motherboards) you have to squeeze the most power you can into that space, to maximize potential, and productivity. Whats better, having 10 6950s and 2 different computers (mobo,cpu,ram,harddrive, and fans, not counting cases cause I know some people like to go ghetto.)Or having 4 6990s that do the same job with half the power, Whats more cost efficient with space,time,energy? It will look like your saving money in the beginning, but you'll end up regretting it in the end when difficulty goes up, and your sitting there wishing you went for the better investment. |
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Speculators are absolutely required to make Bitcoin a success.
Price discovery is hard enough in any market, let alone something as new and different as Bitcoin.
Consider the current market action:
They showed that $US 31 is too expensive and that $US 10 is too cheap.
That is true , as much as we like to hate on the speculators, they do determine the true value of bitcoins in the long run. |
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I'm hoping BTC value hits the toilet so I can buy buy buy
Same here !  Lets prey they drop to single digits, I will have a feast. |
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trolling I don't think that word means what you think it means. "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory[citation needed], extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29I am trolling his thread by not allowing normal discussion. Everyone here knows what he's trying to do, and if the mods won't step in, then I sure as hell will. The price of bitcoin is highly devalued, everyone knows that, so no point in discussing an entire thread about how it's supposed to be lower. This is the lowest any of you are ever going to see it. |
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go away, yes I'm trolling this pathetic thread.
go away
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I'm just wondering why you haven't added my forum yet?  He hasn't added mine either... And my shit is better than half that list. |
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That is a good idea, make it a truly independent site with low over head, and true anonymity. However there must be a way to verify age so that we are in compliance with basic international laws. I don't want the anonymity aspect to get to the heads of some bad people. This will be a very clean site (as clean as any other adult site) with the exception that people can pay on shows like if it were cash at a strip club (bitcoins baby), and anyone can technically participate as long as they follow basic guidelines. Not all of these complicated and invasive credit card sign ups.
I'm sure some (most) companies will ID girls, but I bet there are pretty girls who would rather not give you their name and address. Maybe someone will find a way to serve them too without too much risk from the goons. Has anyone thought this through? You take IDs from girls, then presumably some freak from a bureaucracy wants to see them and now he has their info, but he has to make sure it's really them right? So what, he goes to visit them all or just the youngest ones? Maybe a service that just sells technical help to girls who then publish themselves could follow the letter of the law without the need to ID them. Ha, I guess the girls would be required to ID themselves. I think they are going to have to give us some sort of identification for tax purposes anyways. I mean who cares if the models aren't anonymous internally, the main concern is to the customer. It's fine if we know the girls by their first names, it's a different story for the customers though. Anonymity favor the customer in this scenario. If we didn't live in such a sick world full of human traffickers, and underage slaves, we wouldn't have to ask for a single piece of paper. |
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You guys have a really, really good looking site. I will be using you in the future! Please keep up the good work. The community needs more exchangers so that all the money isn't in one pot. If we get about 100 stable exchangers the coins will be indestructible
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Jessy is a female name
Thanks:-) The rest was just... depressing LOL As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work. Thanks for the reminder.
Check out Rework by 37 Signals, pretty much the best book for anyone starting a business. Best business book I ever read. A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years. I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.
Bitcoin is actually not suitable for traditional porn membership sites. With competitive affiliate percentages a lot of sites don't actually get in the black on a new member in the first month. The bread and butter of membership sites- the absolute lifeblood is recurring billing. Without all those guys who signup, then forget to cancel most sites would not be profitable. With Bitcoins low adoption rate, dropping it in as a payment option for a little buzz and SE traffic is fine- but if it ever caught on and became a significant portion of signups it would cannibalize recurring charges and bankrupt the site. It would really only be practical setting it as Bitcoin for three month membership- we do that with money orders, but it's a tough sell. Sites that allow you to purchase a single video clip (clips4sale) still have a following- but mostly for hard to find fetish footage you can't get for free. Static content is a very, very tough market to break into these days and not one I'd recommend. There are certianly opportunities with crypto-currency, but they will probably be realized by people who work within their existing skill set. Might there not be a demand for porn sites that can't bill you over and over? I don't need to buy porn, but I'd prereally paranoid about the cancellation process and would gladly pay 10-20% more if I had rock solid proof I couldn't be billed again without consent. I realize that all current customers are willing to deal with the risk of recurring payments, but that doesn't mean there isn't a set of people who stay away because of this issue, but could be enticed if it was solved. I think one good model for a site would be to provide performers with support for a cut of revenue, and allow nearly anyone to join, but tag and organize so that people only see what they want. Performers can put out some content for free and ask for donations and then sell private or custom content too. That is a good idea, make it a truly independent site with low over head, and true anonymity. However there must be a way to verify age so that we are in compliance with basic international laws. I don't want the anonymity aspect to get to the heads of some bad people. This will be a very clean site (as clean as any other adult site) with the exception that people can pay on shows like if it were cash at a strip club (bitcoins baby), and anyone can technically participate as long as they follow basic guidelines. Not all of these complicated and invasive credit card sign ups. |
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Jessy is a female name
Thanks:-) The rest was just... depressing LOL As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work. Thanks for the reminder.
Check out Rework by 37 Signals, pretty much the best book for anyone starting a business. Best business book I ever read. A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years. I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.
Bitcoin is actually not suitable for traditional porn membership sites. With competitive affiliate percentages a lot of sites don't actually get in the black on a new member in the first month. The bread and butter of membership sites- the absolute lifeblood is recurring billing. Without all those guys who signup, then forget to cancel most sites would not be profitable. With Bitcoins low adoption rate, dropping it in as a payment option for a little buzz and SE traffic is fine- but if it ever caught on and became a significant portion of signups it would cannibalize recurring charges and bankrupt the site. It would really only be practical setting it as Bitcoin for three month membership- we do that with money orders, but it's a tough sell. Sites that allow you to purchase a single video clip (clips4sale) still have a following- but mostly for hard to find fetish footage you can't get for free. Static content is a very, very tough market to break into these days and not one I'd recommend. There are certianly opportunities with crypto-currency, but they will probably be realized by people who work within their existing skill set. I asked you a very specific question. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO OFFER TO THE TEAM? other than your pathetic opinions. If you have NOTHING to offer to the team, please stay the hell away from my thread. This was not posted here to be "debated" on whether or not the idea will work, by trolls like you. It was posted here in the "Project Development" section so that I could find other people who were willing to work together to form something big! And the insults by others about my "technical abilities" is laughable at best. I have much to offer to the team, and will basically be over-seeing every single job on the team, making sure that everything is working perfectly. I make websites and fix computers for a living, THAT'S WHAT I DO, how someone thinks I'm technically challenged and can't just pull this entire website by myself is a mystery to me. Let me repeat myself so the trolls and haters can get it through their thick skulls : I CAN PULL OFF THIS ENTIRE WEBSITE BY MYSELF. Now if i were to do it by myself would it be as big, or as secure? Of course not, and that's the reason why I am reaching out the "real" bitcoin community to go in this with me, and build something big, not the trolls like you Jesse. Nags like you hurt the future of our community, and our currency. Please go away. |
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Jessy is a female name
Thanks:-) The rest was just... depressing LOL As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work. Thanks for the reminder.
Check out Rework by 37 Signals, pretty much the best book for anyone starting a business. Best business book I ever read. A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years. I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.
Bitcoin is actually not suitable for traditional porn membership sites. With competitive affiliate percentages a lot of sites don't actually get in the black on a new member in the first month. The bread and butter of membership sites- the absolute lifeblood is recurring billing. Without all those guys who signup, then forget to cancel most sites would not be profitable. With Bitcoins low adoption rate, dropping it in as a payment option for a little buzz and SE traffic is fine- but if it ever caught on and became a significant portion of signups it would cannibalize recurring charges and bankrupt the site. It would really only be practical setting it as Bitcoin for three month membership- we do that with money orders, but it's a tough sell. Sites that allow you to purchase a single video clip (clips4sale) still have a following- but mostly for hard to find fetish footage you can't get for free. Static content is a very, very tough market to break into these days and not one I'd recommend. There are certianly opportunities with crypto-currency, but they will probably be realized by people who work within their existing skill set. This has been a very interesting thread. I first felt that the BitcoinCam idea was a license to print money but the industry insight that Jessy provided is a real reality check. I think there are lessons here for all potential bitcoin entrepreneurs in any field. Kind of makes me feel sad though: if you cant make money with bitcoin cams where can you  ? Thanks again for the interesting discussion. That's the point shes WRONG . Why the hell do people take other people on internet forums so seriously. Half the stuff she spewed on her post was pessimistic garbage, and if you read it initially it was written in an intention to demoralize the entire project as a whole. Who cares what she thinks, if you like bitcams.com and you want to spend your bitcoins there, then what does it matter what any other site is doing? Who cares about her "industry standards", it's girls that need money, that can sign up with very little information, and that can be paid in a fast and anonymous manner. It's a BEAUTIFUL idea, and though it may take a little bit of time to educate the public about bitcoins, it will happen. Money talks bull shit walks, the models will follow the money wherever it is, and right now whether Jesse or anyone reading this post likes it or not, WE HAVE THE MONEY. |
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Jessy, I actually read your entire post carefully, and although I have no interest in the adult entertainment industry (don't condemn it, just not my thing), I got a lot out of your (and Warren's) ideas. "Moat" is an important concept; it's essentially why my wife and I had to abandon an educational app that we had put 2 months of part-time work into -- a big player stepped in easily before I got it off the ground since the barriers to entry were low. As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work. Thanks for the reminder.
That said, with new technologies, there's always a chance an upstart will end up winning big, since being first in counts for a lot. The barriers to becoming an online BTC exchange were relatively low (some would say too low, but not me). But look at how successful MtGox was prior to the hack, just because they were one of the first ones in. A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years. I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.
You don't know who she is, you don't know who pays her. People with her attitude are the ones that are going to cause this currency to ultimately fail, but it won't happen because people like me won't let it happen. There are many amazing uses for Bitcoins, and cam exchanges are one of them. There are many ways to get around the technical difficulties of a fluctuating currency, and I honestly think the concept of bitcams is rock solid no matter what Jesse or anyone else thinks. |
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Awesome thread! Of course, if all entrepreneurs were easily scared off, we'd still be living in the dark ages. This makes me think of a book I'm reading at the moment, The Economy of Cities. The author argues that established, highly efficient, large businesses have their place in the economy, but it is small start up firms that are the driving force behind true economic growth. It takes a hotbed of networked small firms coming up with new work, building on old ideas and cannibalizing technology to move an economy forward. This, for instance, is why Detroit was such a marvelous city up until it turned into a few large auto makers dominating the auto industry. Up until that point the Detroit auto industry was a network of small firms and amateurs working out of their home garages, and they invented the modern automobile. As soon as the economy shifted toward mass production they made themselves redundant, because any city in the world with high industrial capacity can engage in high volume manufacturing. They can't, however, imitate imagination and innovation. Of course, this comes at a price: a high rate of failure and low efficiency. But, the author of The Economy of City argues that these are actually the signs of a strong city economy. More here: http://attackthesystem.com/2011/06/21/more-on-the-economy-of-cities/Vinnie: I like how you broadened a discussion about cam porn into the wider topic of macro economics. Kudos  This thread isn't about the ethics of cam porn. It's about getting the necessary people on board to make it happen. |
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Jessy essentially put the final nail in this project's coffin. Anyone reading this thread will read that post, understand the risks better, and walk away. No professional developer in their right mind would invest their time in a, highly possible, disaster. That and the simple fact that Vegetta essentially ignored Jessy's post and asked for a 'TL;DR' version should be warning enough for any potential developer.
I'm sure it'll happen, but I doubt this is it. There are hundreds of millions of people world-wide that watch porn online and pay with cash. You are talking about using Bitcoins for income (which has shown to be extremely volatile) and your maximum customer size is ~100,000 at best. How can you plan on cornering 10% of the adult industry (which is a multi-billion dollar industry) if your maximum customer size is well under 1%? I think you have a good idea, but everyone has those. You are expecting people to put in a ton of work for you and you don't even have the women locked in, nor do you have any sort of hosting facility locked in. You no upfront capital to pay for marketing, hosting, etc.
It's like going to EA, Ubisoft, Activision and saying you have an incredible game idea that will sell millions. You want to oversee the project. You have nothing physical to show them, no story boards, no game design plan, no outline, just an idea in your brain. You know what they will do? They will politely ask you to leave and not contact them again. I have a background in game design and just because you have an idea doesn't mean a damn thing unless you have a prototype to show.
I'm sorry, but this idea, in its current state, is a pipe dream.
I have many technical skills to offer this project including design/html/css/ and administration. Final nail? I have over 20pm's I'm reviewing right now from developers who are interested. I even have a guy whos offering to fund the entire project, may I politely ask, who the fuck are you? |
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Sent you a gift thank you buddy.  |
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Can you give me some specifics of what you're after? Please keep it short and direct, no more 2 page essays, you sound highly intelligent, but you need to be able to sell your ideas a bit better. What do you have to offer to our team?
Wait- you read all that, and the first that came to mind was "yup, she wants what I got- but I'm going to play hard to get..."? Wow  I was offering some friendly professional advice- won't happen again.  I'm off to start a hosting company, if I can corner just 10% of the market I'll be set for life... I will be honest, I didn't understand half the stuff you said. Most of it was irrelevant, but you had a good way of putting your points out. You seem to have a very conservative approach to this entire webcam business and I think that is what I need, however it's always important to stay realistic and within completable goals. How would I prevent competitors from taking me down after they realize Bitcoins are awesome and I am stealing from their market? Well, I believe in a little thing called customer loyalty. If we show how well bitcoins can be used throughout a website economy, we will have support from the entire bitcoin community. You think our customers are going to go to "live jasmin" just because they start offering a bitcoin depository? We will be the first, we will be truly anonymous, and we will have some of the best people in/out of the industry working for us. |
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Theres many bitcoin forums you can choose one. Heres mine www.tweetforum.com/bitcointwitter.com/bitcoinforum I built a forum that connects to twitter and sends the users updates on every post, so they are always connected. I love this forum though , it's not perfect, but it really gets the job done. I'm new to Bitcoin and I'm loking for good info, I'm spending a lot of time reading post that are very little help. The forum is moderated, but it doesn't feel like it. I checked reddit and it is already more helpful, I may go live there for a while. There is lots of info at tweetforum, theres info here, theres info everywhere ! Just get to it ! |
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no there isnt. if you look at other fiat monetary systems, the base money supply roughly around 30% of annual GDP. that would mean a bitcoin economy of 18mBTC or ~270m$. bitcoin is speculation as of now, and this forum proves it further. Your going by traditional standards. How many fiat monetary systems do you know that are only 2 years old? |
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