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2341  Other / Off-topic / Re: Merits, who else feels the same way I do when merited? on: October 17, 2018, 09:28:04 AM
Funny but from the first day i received my very first merit I got a particular feeling, i can't actually explain how I felt but excitement, joy and sign of accomplishments was involved.

This is called an e-orgasm. Now you should go out and have sex with a person in real life, which is better. You can even use you getting a merit as a chat up line. She will be very impressed. Merits are guaranteed to get you some action. That's why some people even call them 'pussy points'.

1. When I delete my old post (Bounty Spams) Do my activity will decrease?
2. When I delete my old post (Bounty Spams) Do my post on my profile will decrease?
3. I will delete only those bounty report post that has already been finished and been rewarded. Am I right?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0

If you delete posts then you will obviously lose the post count for each one you remove. If you remove all the posts you made in an activity period then you will also lose the 14 activity for that period. Just leave them if you're worried and work on improving your post history from now and onwards.

2342  Other / Meta / Re: Posting as Jet Cash and JetAid in the same thread. on: October 17, 2018, 08:50:43 AM
Posting in the same thread with alts isn't against the rules. Posting with them back to back maybe (or may be unnecessary), but since you're not on a signature campaign with either of them it probably isn't a problem/issue.
IIRC, anonymint was banned for multiposting right? And he wasn't in a campaign either. Or am I tripping?

I believe excessive posting using alts and not quoting anyone and talking just in general might get your account/s in trouble, unless you excess the character count which is almost never the case. So just be careful. Because bitches mods do be crazy sometimes. jk

That was different. As far as I recall he was just continually and excessively posting back to back needlessly. Situations like this should probably be taken on a case by case basis, but merely posting back to back on alts shouldn't be grounds for getting into trouble. What if theymos makes a post then is afk and makes a later post on theymos_away back to back? There is obviously nothing wrong with that. If I was doing it continually on my alts then you might have a case, but in this situation I don't think there's an issue. I would try to avoid such practice unless you have a genuine reason for making a post back to back, but that whole rule was just to stop sig spammers just obviously taking advantage and trying to needlessly inflate their post count which obviously doesn't apply here.
2343  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: October 17, 2018, 08:36:59 AM
^  Yup...  Next would be something like calling it 'Barclay's Nation's League' or something with a sponsor.  I hated it when the EPL was called the 'Barclay's Premier League', and I'd see somebody type it as the 'BPL' online...  Lol.

The Premier League has done away with title sponsorships now as it was a bit tacky renaming the league every time they get a new deal and most leagues around the world don't do it. I always found it annoying how pundits and players was forced to refer to it as the Barclay's Premier League, but I remember one funny time when I was listening to a game on the radio and Stan Collymore said, and I quote, "I'm sick of these Barclay's Premier League corners" lol. Not as funny without hearing him say it in the moment but to this day I still have no idea what a "premier league corner" is.  I think he just added the "Barclays" bit out of habit as he was still saying it after they removed the sponsorship. I think he even had a 'swear jar' for every time he slipped up eventually haha.
2344  Economy / Reputation / Plagiarism? on: October 17, 2018, 08:29:15 AM
The posts below stand out like a sore thumb from this user and are almost certainly copied from somewhere, but I can't find the original content. Maybe they're being taken from a foreign language source and translated into English to avoid detection:

if I think personally
Merculet gives absolute permission to help entrepreneurs produce UAT (user tokens), which is considered a marked marker for any businessman. UAT will connect the main MVP token with different rates, which ensures synergy and price exchange among business people.



About the project Resets collecting the Web from the values ​​of attention in light of consideration, using public convention meetings to link requests and consideration proposals.
Merculet provides a broad answer that allows businesses to issue their own tokens to pay customers. (Tokens used in the system cannot be exchanged with ads with symbols) These tokens are called UAT (User Attention Token).
Merculet forms the concept of the score of the meaning of the user with the purpose of academic measurement from the value of the user's interest. An entrepreneur can only get recognition to a concept that can freely integrate with the classic gift system with the support of a series of protocols that are disclosed.



In addition, Merculet assumes that the evaluation of user value will experimentally evaluate customer perceptions and interactions with known basic assistance.
In addition, Merculet has created key associations with various applications, for example, Castbox and Zhuishushenqi, which have a large client base both locally and at the universal level. This application covers around four to five million customers.

if I think personally Throughout the history of the cryptocurrency industry, Bitcoin remains the dominant player. Although it no longer enjoys 80% or more of the market share of industrial markets as at the beginning of the year, it remains a digital currency with the largest market share. Other digital currencies are growing compared to Bitcoin, such as Litecoin (LTC), Ethereum, Ripple, and more.

A news reported by Invezz.com shows that Litecoin is a digital currency that also needs to be considered by investors.

Here are some reasons why Litecoin has proven to be a better investment than Bitcoin in the future.
# 1 Like Bitcoin, but continues to be developed
Litecoin is often compared to Bitcoin, and for good reasons: both digital currencies are closely related. This currency has been heavily influenced by Bitcoin when it was developed in 2011.

Both of them have deflationary properties, with supply kept tapering (limited) for the next few years.

However, there are important differences that separate the two. First, Litecoin has a lifetime cap of 84 million coins, which is four times higher than the total number of Bitcoin that can be mined.

This means that along with increasing demand, there will be a larger supply of LTC to achieve it, at least initially.

if I think Litecoin personally
Litecoin was present in October 2011 as the first digital currency with a Scrypt-security system that forms a keyword system based on the Key Derivation Function (KDF). Litecoin tightens the security of user passwords. They believe, similar to banking, security will affect the confidence of potential investors.

Now, Litecoin always enters the top 10 crypto with the highest market capitalization value. Until the beginning of this week, the value reached Rp. 30.5 trillion. But the exchange rate is still relatively low, 1 LTC is equivalent to around Rp.528 thousand.

If they are from a foreign language it will probably be Indonesian if that helps.
2345  Other / Meta / Re: %90 of topics are same on: October 17, 2018, 07:51:54 AM
As Coolcryptovator already said, they're done wholly for somewhere to easily spam in. People are unlikely going to get merit for those sorts of threads. When you've got dozens of accounts and need to make hundreds of posts a week on them then you need a big playing field to run around in. The more shit threads there are the easier it is to knock out their one/two liners. They're really not going to waste time writing anything constructive because they don't need to, but time is money in the sig spam game.

You have a different levels of spam.
- Level The worst Shitposter The lowest level is one word/line shitposters like "Nice", "Good project", "Like", etc.
- Level Broken shitposter Posting in so broken english that you cannot understand what he is talking about, example " I conceive that could be viable, mainly in a burly rubberneck loci in organization to construct the pay business in carry easy and fast." I had to copy this one,I just can't make up something like this.
To this level belong also the shitposters that post totally offtopic.
- Level Advanced Shitposter There you have the one-two liners like, " I like this project, I think this project have a great future, I believe in the project that's why I want to invest in it." or copy-paste previous comments.
- Level 0-value Analyzer Then next lever is a bit more sophisticated spam, like analysis of something obvious or something that have no meaning at all like " I like the XXX coin because it's based on CryptoNight which is a proof-of-work algorithm created for mining with ordinary CPU-GPUs" and so on.
- Level The Fake Guru Then you have the highest level of spam which is plagiarism from external sources, I'm not talking about the copy-paste the previous shit-post this is normal practice for the fist levels but this is a text copied from Internet and spun trough the Article spinners.
Those are the worst level of Spam to detect.


Which one of these would you say op falls into:

its just a matter of time.humanity used many objects for trade even sea shells and they all took some time because people dont like to changes.especially if its about the money we all want to keep it safe.banks did that for a long time but its time to change now.nothing can resist against revolution.

im into campaign as well but topics could be more creative or based on analyses or research.anyway, i think its not going to happen, i cant change the forum.

You can change it by not participating in them, or creating threads of actual substance. You would probably be best sticking to your local board though where it seems you are more comfortable.
2346  Economy / Reputation / Re: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2018 Q4) on: October 16, 2018, 02:26:28 PM
This shitpost was merited by naughty1 (3), foxbat (1)

Bitcoin has to be a speculative investment or a currency weaken a global financial system full of injustice are trying to destroy Bitcoin?
"When it was created in 2009, Bitcoin surpassed all currencies, even with the government itself as hostile to it, and the uncertain legal regime that governments have created to manage it. The way people can not predict what will happen. So its present value can reach this level as has been great, since the fact that it only faces headwinds without tailwinds. Every government around the world is trying to find a way to stop and destroy Bitcoin."What do you think about this?

Who have both been tagged as alts amongst others here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg21757612#msg21757612

Therefore trungquoc4622342 is probably another of theirs.

They've also both sent merits to jokowi and buithidiepth1:

Merit summary for naughty1

Merit: 250
Sent in the last 120 days

    October 11, 2018, 05:01:51 AM: 3 to trungquoc4622342 for What do you think about Bitcoin?
    October 11, 2018, 04:58:32 AM: 1 to buithidiepth1 for Re: Why people are holding Bitcoin?
    October 11, 2018, 04:52:47 AM: 1 to jokowi for Re: Is it safe to invest all my savings in cryptocurrencies
    October 11, 2018, 04:52:33 AM: 2 to jokowi for Re: What is happening now with the market?
    October 11, 2018, 04:52:15 AM: 2 to jokowi for Re: What are the good Altcoins to HOLD Long term?

Merit summary for foxbat

Merit: 250
Sent in the last 120 days

    October 11, 2018, 05:05:54 AM: 1 to bonammeo for Re: Are fiat currencies necessary in the world?
    October 11, 2018, 05:05:48 AM: 2 to bonammeo for Re: Are fiat currencies necessary in the world?
    October 11, 2018, 05:04:14 AM: 1 to trungquoc4622342 for What do you think about Bitcoin?
    October 11, 2018, 05:04:00 AM: 1 to buithidiepth1 for Re: Why people are holding Bitcoin?
    October 11, 2018, 05:03:46 AM: 2 to jokowi for Re: Which do you prefer, bank or crypto?
    October 11, 2018, 05:03:39 AM: 1 to jokowi for Re: Is it safe to invest all my savings in cryptocurrencies

bonammeo has also received merit from northstarh who is tagged for being an alt of naughty1 & foxbat.

northstarh has sent merit to:

Sent in the last 120 days

    October 11, 2018, 05:11:41 AM: 1 to bonammeo for Re: Which Asian countries have the greatest influence on bitcoin?
    October 11, 2018, 05:11:26 AM: 1 to jokowi for Re: Cryptocurrencies are going down
    October 11, 2018, 05:11:17 AM: 1 to Jambo tape for Re: what happened to ethereum?

Jambo tape has sent merit to:

Sent in the last 120 days

    September 25, 2018, 11:32:11 AM: 2 to Ucihashin for Re: If Bitcoin die, no more cryptos can alive.
    September 22, 2018, 02:11:20 PM: 2 to Satuki for Re: Do you smoke weed?

Both registered in October.  Ucihashin sent merit to Iwabe, another account registered in October. Who sent merits to more accounts all registered in October:

Merit summary for Iwabe

Merit: 3
Sent in the last 120 days

Received in the last 120 days

    October 04, 2018, 08:55:56 AM: 1 from Jukoknos for Re: Why we must study Economics at University?
    October 04, 2018, 05:01:51 AM: 1 from Ucihashin for Re: Are you holding EOS?
    September 19, 2018, 02:44:02 PM: 1 from Cojiro for Re: Is it safe to participate in ICO's?

Who also sent merits to accounts registered in October:

Merit summary for Cojiro

Merit: 10
Sent in the last 120 days

    September 26, 2018, 11:22:43 AM: 3 to Nmizu for Re: Ethereum TO $400 AGAIN
    September 19, 2018, 02:44:02 PM: 1 to Iwabe for Re: Is it safe to participate in ICO's?
    September 17, 2018, 09:32:06 AM: 1 to Combi for Re: Do you like airdrops?

And it goes on.
2347  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cloudbet's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: October 16, 2018, 12:41:12 PM
The German team that won the WC previously is no more, they’re getting old & the new younger players aren’t as good.
I think the young players are pretty good, didn't Germany win the Confederations Cup in 2017 with a B team full of youngsters? People were freaking out about how good that team was without the main squad but Joachim low seems to be pretty hesitant to play that team again, I honestly don't know why he keeps using the likes of Boateng, Kroos, Muller, Neur, Mark Uth, etc, when you have Sané, Draxler, Brandt, Goretzka, Ter Stegen, etc.


Next EPL fixture looks pretty good with some cool games, Wolves - Watford, West Ham - Spurs, but I'm having a hard time trying to predict who's going to be the winner in the Chelsea - Man Utd game, I might end up just just going for a draw, but I'm not sure either :/

I'm not sure what your definition of 'cool' is  Cheesy but none of those games look that great apart from the Chelsea/Man United game and that's the only one I'll be watching from this weekend.  I'm more interested in the La Liga right now as Barcelona are playing Sevilla on Saturday and it's second vs first place. Actually rooting for Sevilla as it's boring Barca and Real winning everything all the time, though I'm sure Sevilla won't stay at the top for long. There's also El Clasico the following week which is always a great fixture.
2348  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: October 16, 2018, 12:33:58 PM
I'm going to keep this one short, you convey two big points that I don't agree with, and that are two opinions that could obviously split off a lot of people:


The forum has decayed to the point of unusability because the board has slowly morphed into a place for people to earn money rather than being about a place to talk about bitcoin.


"...earn money, and trade rather than being..." I'm going to add that part to your definition, because yes : I probably agree that posts involving either trades or signature campaigns make off the majority of the posts on this forum.

What trades are these? I don't see any trades going on in Bitcoin Discussion or Economics but a whole lot of noise being chatted about things people don't really understand but are doing so just for payment. Go into any thread and read some of the replies in those two subs. It's embarrassing, just like it would be embarrassing if I tried to talk about Lamborghinis in mandarin. Regardless of how much trading is going on it is obviously dwarfed by signature spam and this is the issue because it ruins discussion for everybody.

Just look at this post for example, or any big post where anyone feels like they can shove a +1 post count. It's as clear as day.

What's as clear as day? I don't understand what point you're trying to make here.

What I don't agree with, is your opinion on this "problem". EVEN YOU have a ChipMixer sig. I DONT have one and am still committing to this argument with you with absolutely no profit.

I don't get what relevancy my signature has to do with anything here, and certainly isn't relevant to my argument about people making dreadful posts, but let's not be hypocrite here. You might not be on a campaign yet but you've literally just reappeared after quite an absence to apply for the very same campaign:

Hi, I noticed there's a user with low quality posts on your spreadsheet. Maybe you'd want a replacement. I can write high quality posts.

Username: KingZee
Post Count: 437
BTC Address : 1KingZeeW97uLvngcUA3R6QJx18Fn78ddb

To even have a chance of getting onto that campaign you're going to have to make some decent posts in the meantime so let's not pretend that isn't in the back of your mind here and is probably your only motivation for even engaging with me right now. 

THE MASSIVE MAJORITY wouldn't give a single fuck in my shoes, because behold, the rule of not just this forum, but the internet: No one has time to waste on arguments with anonyomus avatars online.

Really? Not sure I understand you right here but isn't the exactly what you're doing now? I think people do have time. Too much time. On 99% of forums people post or troll for free, but there is financial incentive here so it makes things unique and exponentially worse because greed and laziness become motivation. I have no issue with people getting paid to post if people are actually contributing something of substance, but people shouldn't be able to get paid for regurgitating the same sentence over 200 alt accounts just to get paid and that's what we're trying to solve.

So, the fact that you want to implement every draconian measure to completely shut down people from making money? You need to be extremely oblivious to not see how biased your situation is.


None of what I've suggested is draconian and claiming so seems to be a gross exaggeration or being overly dramatic just for the sake. Requiring a few merit is nothing. Do you think requiring a drivers license to drive is draconian? I'd say it's logical. Not everyone is qualified to drive, just like not everyone is qualified to earn via posting.

I said it once, I'm going to say it again, see both sides of the coin.


I do see both sides. I'm actually trying to make things better for everyone. People shouldn't be able to get paid to destroy the forum so I'm saying earn that right. People are literally getting paid for writing junk and I don't think that's acceptable, just like I don't think it would be acceptable for someone to do a job that they're not qualified for.

Unless you're willing to completely ban out sig campaigns as a whole and only keep classic banner ads -that would be a fun sight, wouldn't it!-, kindly stop referring to anyone other than hero or legendary as "leeches".


Please kindly stop making stuff up. Where did I refer to anyone who is not a high rank as leeches? I don't think people should be able to get paid for merely banging their head against a keyboard or writing something like "bitcoin is good because it's profit and profit is good because it's bitcoin and I can buy my daily needs with profit". All I'm asking is for some minimum standards because clearly things can't go on as they are, and without doing something about it now then the next step would be to remove signatures completely. What would you and all the shitposters do then? The spammers would leave as fast as they came and to never return and thus having ruined it for everyone else in the process. I don't think they should be able to ruin it for everyone else and that's why we need some standards before the ultimate solution is to get rid of signatures.

It's this opinion you have about people making money off the forums, that isn't objective. A few people might agree with you to completely stop campaigns from recruiting newbies. (BECAUSE they're heroes or legendaries) Others might not, like me! Because I'm a senior that can make good posts and don't want more baseless rules that make it harder for casual posters like me to make money.

You mean you want to easily be able to get paid for doing nothing? If you can make good posts then you shouldn't have an issue, but you're basically just complaining that you can't earn money easily and straight away.

I mean fuck off, over a 1000 words written the last 24 hours and still barely at +3 merit, which brings me to your next point.

What exactly is your point here? I write long posts and barely got any merit?


You can't on word count or rank, but why not merit? It somebody writes a really great post it's almost certainly going to get a merit, and probably quite a bit of it, and merit is a pretty good indication of a quality post or not as users making generic nonsense will go unmerited.


This second point is also not objectively true. What is a great post? An ICO accouncement or sig campaign giving out free money that gets showered with merit? A well known user that can use a paintbrush and draw "bitcoin art" to sell to the community? Jesus man, PLEASE try to look at it from my perspective, and the perspective of a lot of above-average casual users. I could spend fuck-all months discussing like I'm doing now to barely make a 1/10th of what a legendary user would make taking a picture of a bitcoin tattoo on his ass.

So I said I was going to keep this short, and I think? I did. We're never going to agree because both the points above are always going to be biased. And I mean let's face it, this system isn't going to change even if 70% of the forum voted it off. Cheers.

What is and isn't a great post is subjective, but my point is that if you're a decent contributor who puts thought and effort into their posts then you will almost certainly have no issue in getting the required merit to move up ranks over time. Spammers wont though and that's why the merit system is here.
2349  Other / Meta / Re: OVER 300 days with no answer from THEYMOS OR CYRUS? // stolen account on: October 16, 2018, 10:52:45 AM
still nothing. What are chances for any contact?

Next to zero unless theymos or cyrus miraculously start to restore them or more staff are given access to do so. If that doesn't happen then they best you can hope for is the automatic recovery tool that theymos is (or was) working on that he said should hopefully be available by the end of the year. I still think more staff should be given access to restore them in the meantime though. Users unable to provide a signed message are still going to be left in the dark even when they can provide other proof that the account is rightfully theirs.

2350  Other / Meta / Re: Blocked message sending function on: October 16, 2018, 10:35:38 AM
Sorry moderators, if not written there, but I have a very important question. about a week ago, my friend was blocked from sending messages on the forum, his login is sashaabc. Reconsider your decision, because from his words, he only did bounty reports on the forum, for which he can be banned Huh I am writing on his behalf because he wrote to the post office which is indicated in the office, but he never received a reply, and in the meantime the bounty is being sent and reports must be sent ...

There wouldn't be an issue if your "friend" only did bounties, but that's not all he was doing. He was also copy and pasting:

Blockchain.io will list a careful selection of cryptocurrencies: Proof-of-Work (POW) coins such as Bitcoin, Ether or Litecoin, Proof-of-Stake (POS) coins like Qtum or Stratis, Directed Acyclic Graph (DAG) coins, and other cryptographic protocols yet to be designed and minted.

Blockchain.io will list a careful selection of cryptocurrencies: Proof-of-Work (POW) coins such as Bitcoin, Ether or Litecoin, Proof-of-Stake (POS) coins like Qtum or Stratis, Directed Acyclic Graph (DAG) coins, and other cryptographic protocols yet to be designed and minted.


Your account won't be unbanned.
2351  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: October 16, 2018, 10:31:17 AM
Happy to see the proper football return this weekend, I hate international football. Pointless, boring shit that just interrupts the real stuff for me. We’re only 8 games into the PL & this was the 2nd international break. It’s ridiculous. Just a money spinner for UEFA, I mean WTF in the ‘Nations League’.

Well the excuse or reasoning that they've come out with is that the league is meant to replace international friendlies, because countries often don't take them seriously and there's nothing to really play for. Now there is with this league, but obviously it's also just another way for UEFA to milk some money out of the 'tournament'. England internationals whether it be friendlies or tournaments like the Euros or World Cups have always been on free-to-air 'terrestrial' TV for as long as I can remember so anyone with a TV could watch them, but now Sky Sports have bought the rights to the Nation's League and you have to be a Sky subscriber to watch them, which I think is pretty shit. As I've always said, money ruins everything, especially sports.
2352  Other / Meta / Re: New form of shit-posting on: October 16, 2018, 10:21:00 AM
It's not really new. People used to do this in the Press section all the time, but if all their posts are just them posting articles then I used to give them a warning because it's clear they're not really here to contribute anything and had just found a loophole to get paid for copy and pasting. Some of them were even using bots to post the stuff automatically and even in the correct format for the Press section. If their posts are all just article posting then just report them and I'll give them a warning.
2353  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: October 16, 2018, 09:07:13 AM
That last statement is a bit subjective. You should see both sides of the coin. A few people already agree with you and prove it with only allowing a select few to their signatures. But the others that don't, they're not really stupid (I hope..). If they see that allowing more people is more beneficial to their campaign, who are we (you the elitist, me the more lenient) to judge? It's their money they're losing/making.

It's irrelevant who's money they're losing or making when it's at the detriment to the forum. ICOs are pretty much wholly responsible for the forum being a wall-to-wall shitshow consisting of barely coherent crap made only for payment. Most ICOs don't actually lose anything either because they pay people in a pre-mined token or coin that they've made for free, so that's why they accept anyone and everyone regardless of quality because the more people advertising for them then the better, but this shouldn't be acceptable.

Requoting you : "people were literally farming Junior accounts by their dozens and in some cases hundreds (and probably even thousands) just to abuse campaigns"

That honestly is another problem which is alt accounts. If genuine unique people came in droves to register on the bitcointalk, is that really a bad thing?

Depends what you mean by genuine users? Little cousin Timmy signing up to this forum because he's just been told he can get paid for posting? Is he a genuine user? Not when little Timmy can't speak English very well if at all and has only just found out about bitcoin and doesn't even give a shit about it other than the fact that he can earn money here. That's when we have a problem and that's why the forum is filled with mindless drivel, because little Timmy wants to earn some money and this forum is his best option for doing so. The fact that it's a forum about bitcoin is inconsequential and irrelevant to him, and that's a huge problem.

Like I said, I agree with you that alt accounts are bad. But is Merit really solving the problem here?

Merit doesn't solve the problem, but it helps curb abuse and is one more hoop they need to jump through. It obviously doesn't go far enough though, but at least it stops bots and the worst of the worse of posters from being able to get paid for copy and pasting or posting rubbish straight from the get-go.

This is pure speculation but I'm willing to bet that people who are interested in alt accounts are more likely to be longtime members that true newbies.

What do you mean exactly by "interested in". The forum has decayed to the point of unusability because the board has slowly morphed into a place for people to earn money rather than being about a place to talk about bitcoin. Probably 99% of people only sign up here to earn from posting these days. It's like signing up to a Chinese Lamborghini forum. Only you can't speak Chinese, you don't care about cars and can't even drive. If a Chinese Lamborghini forum did start paying people to post then you'd have the same problem you have here: "I like Lamborghinis because they go fast and are nice colours and can get me from A to B and they help me with my daily needs". Ka-ching. Money in the pocket. Rinse and repeat over however many accounts you have and soon you might actually be able to afford that Lambo.  

The merit system doesn't benefit people who write half-decent posts, more than it benefits people who have some sort of "fanbase", "fellowship", sometimes power, leverage. No one besides the select few sMerit generators is going to waste his points on the daily. He needs them to maybe build trust, convince someone, kiss ass, whatever the reasons may be, the reason of "oh wow i'll merit this well written post because the user is honest" comes last.

I wholly disagree. If this was the case then nobody would be giving them out other than to their friends or "fanbase" and this just isn't the case. Most of us want people to make great posts regardless of who or what rank you are, because we're tired of the forum being overran with idiots posting drivel just to get paid. What possible benefit does somebody have by giving me merit? Show me what benefits the people who have merited me have received, otherwise this is just baseless and biased speculation. I don't even need it for anything, and I certainly don't look through my merit history making notes of the names so I can maybe do them a favour or send them some business their way.

A solution? What's the problem in the first place? Alt accounts? I don't know the behind-the-scenes of this forum, but maybe just ban out alting as a whole? If we can all agree on paper that they bring nothing of value, why don't you act on it?

Not really alts, but low quality posting. How do you ban alts exactly? One of the reasons they're allowed is because you can't really enforce the rule efficiently. There are also genuine reasons for having alts.

If the problem isn't alt accounts, what then? Forcing people to make well-written posts? There are other systems based on negatives rather than positives. Punish the users who DO spam, don't punish the users who don't post ENOUGH. Force a word-count rule on lower ranked users.

We're not punishing people who don't post enough. We're punishing people who don't really make any posts of substance. It should tell you all you need to know that people are crying like hysterical babies that they now need to get one merit for a signature. A solitary merit. How outrageous! Most people just aren't capable of writing anything constructive and hence why they're so irate because merit isn't easy for them to get, especially when you've got dozens of alts accounts. They got used to earning good money by posting shit and now some effort is actually required these entitled babies are furious because you've essentially snatched money out of their greedy/lazy hands. A word count rule doesn't do anything either and it can make things worse when people just carry on rambling to hit their quota. Some campaigns have had minimum word counts in the past but people just found ways to abuse it by hiding invisible junk onto the end of their posts.

Or maybe the merit system but in reverse, instead of people being able to +1 people, how about them being able to -1. No one might care about meriting a well-written post, but that doesn't matter because it also prohibits people from using merit as a bargain chip. On the other hand, if a user posts some extremely low quality post, make other users punish him.

Really? How is this any different? This is actually a far worse system and I don't think you've actually thought it through. If we would  have implemented this system you'd be here complaining about that right now as would thousands of other angry shitposters who had been neg-bombed into oblivion and have negative chance of being able to earn. How would they even get that back to positive or neutral without some sort of +1?

In my personal opinion, in the end, context matters a lot. You can't judge a post quality based on word count, user rank, or merits. Almost all signature campaign posts have a shitton of merit, does that mean they contribute with any intrinsic value besides money money for everyone? So in the end, without context, it's just another stat that people are going to trade.

You can't on word count or rank, but why not merit? It somebody writes a really great post it's almost certainly going to get a merit, and probably quite a bit of it, and merit is a pretty good indication of a quality post or not as users making generic nonsense will go unmerited. Again, it's not a perfect system but it's better than nothing and anyone who comes here to contribute something worthwhile should have nothing to worry about as they will get the required merit over time, but those that come here and can't speak English very well and can offer nothing more than basic generic opinions are going to struggle and so they should. Merit isn't the be all and end all of spam control and it needs to go further, and there's a lot more that we need to be doing like punishing badly run signature campaigns, but this is a start and is certainly better than nothing.
2354  Other / Meta / Re: account fullmember in read-only mode for more than 9 months. theymos not react on: October 16, 2018, 08:00:41 AM
theymos, please unlock my old account

You should probably just wait and hope that theymos implements the automatic recovery tool which he said should be ready by the end of the year, because your account just realistically isn't going to be recovered otherwise unless cyrus mysteriously starts to restore them or more staff are given access to do so.
2355  Other / Meta / Re: The new rule (1 Merit for Jr. Member) is already reducing spam on: October 16, 2018, 07:55:32 AM
But isn't this attitude counter-productive? We're meant to be rewarding users who make decent posts and if a user makes one then that post probably should be merited. I get your logic though ~
But on the other hand I'm with DdmrDdmr too:
~A decent post does not make up for a lame prior posting history. ~

I'm mostly in DdmrDdmr's camp, too, but I also get the point hilariousandco is making. If newbies haven't made at least a couple of decent posts in the month since the new requirements for jr. member took effect then it's probably safe to say they will never get better. Conversely, if a former shitposter/bounty hunter has managed a few good posts in that time then I am less opposed to meriting them. I, personally, won't merit anyone whose post history mostly consists of bounty reports, but that's just a personal preference and, like I said, I see the point hilariousandco is making w/r/t encouraging those users who (might) have realized the error of their shitposting ways.





This is why I think we should make the merit requirement ten. Nobody has time to go through a users post history to check it and this is something we shouldn't even have to do. I'm fine with one merit for becoming a Junior, but not to get a signature. Lets remove Juniors sigs completely and make the merit requirement ten to get one. That way we can be way more liberal with merits and at least a shitposter will have to redeem themselves by making multiple quality posts so their previous history shouldn't be something we have to worry about as they've probably redeemed themselves if they've managed to get the ten merit. Ten merit is also obviously ten times harder/more costly to abuse and one is far too easy to get or abuse right now. I think this benefits everyone and will probably make it easy for users to get the merit, or at least make them put more effort in over several posts rather than just hoping they get the merit for one decent post (which users are obviously reluctant to merit if it's an anomaly).
2356  Other / Meta / Re: Top "why I should not be banned excuses" & "it is not my alt excuses". on: October 16, 2018, 07:50:04 AM
There's a thread in Meta from a fairly high rank who was busted for copy and pasting and started coming out with excuses about his family been ill and stuff. Can't find it but I think it was made this year.

Do you mean ChiBitCTy?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3432369.msg35948573#msg35948573

Yeah, that was it. What makes it worse is it probably wasn't true and people just use whatever desperate excuse they can think of which will get them the most sympathy as a last ditch attempt at saving their account. As I said in the thread, I would have had more respect if he had just apologised without the sob story (which I really don't believe). I wonder if theymos will ever implement signature bans? The only time I would ever let these users off is if they had their signature removed for x amount of time and they only got it back if they showed they contributed to the community in the meantime. Most are only here for payment so most probably wouldn't bother, but if you're active and contributing then I suppose you could redeem yourself, especially if you only copied a post or two. I would much prefer it if people just read the rules though and didn't actually copy and paste, because there really is no excuses for it.
2357  Other / Meta / Re: Top "why I should not be banned excuses" & "it is not my alt excuses". on: October 16, 2018, 07:02:11 AM
There's a thread in Meta from a fairly high rank who was busted for copy and pasting and started coming out with excuses about his family been ill and stuff. Can't find it but I think it was made this year.

'I was just drunk, forgive me'

Admins, dear, I beg you to forgive me, for me it is very important!
There were New Year's holidays, I was not sober, I did not realize what I had done!

That one actually works from time to time, depending on what the person was banned for. Not saying that anyone should give it a shot, but a one time mistake caused by the heat of the moment such as saying something that went over the line in an argument. Or while drunk, is a bit more forgivable if you are able to take a step back and apologize the next day.

Being drunk might be an excuse for making a shitpost or being an arse out of character, but I'm not sure I'd accept it as an excuse for copy and pasting, and I'm sure this was just a fabricated excuse he chose to use. It's not going to get you unbanned either way.
2358  Other / Meta / Re: Top "why I should not be banned excuses" & "it is not my alt excuses". on: October 15, 2018, 04:14:23 PM
It seems the "it was my wife" is becoming the popular new excuse these days and is fastly replacing the classic "friend" one:

marlboroza!!!
Hello! I have a great, human request to you please remove our negative trust, if it is possible! I can provide with proofs of a copy of my and my spouse's documents if you need to be clearer that our accounts are two different people! Thanks for understanding!

Still doesn't excuse the merit abuse either. Perhaps merit should be renamed to 'partner points'.

Hah this is a great thread.  Part of me feels bad for those indonesian and phillipino spammers.  I know they don't have many other options out there.  They will have to work in a sweatshop making nike shoes or slaving away 14 hours a day making apple products.

I would imagine Nike and Apple have much higher standards. I doubt they would allow their employees to take a shit on the factory floor.

They're not just shitting on the floor. They're painting the walls from floor to ceiling with it and doing a shitty job in the process  Cheesy.
2359  Economy / Reputation / Re: Merit abuse - Sr Member and Full Member on: October 15, 2018, 04:09:00 PM
marlboroza!!!
Hello! I have a great, human request to you please remove our negative trust, if it is possible! I can provide with proofs of a copy of my and my spouse's documents if you need to be clearer that our accounts are two different people! Thanks for understanding!

How exactly will this prove anything other than that you're married to someone? It seems "it was my wife" is becoming the popular new excuse these days and is fastly replacing the classic "friend" one. Either way, if what you're saying is actually true it still doesn't change the fact that you committed merit abuse and even gave them for bounty shitposts.
2360  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: October 15, 2018, 01:35:22 PM
And I thought the whole point of User ranks was exactly that, "you should have to have actually achieved something before you're allowed to earn from posting".

But ranks are meaningless when all you need is time and they were being colossally abused because of that because all you had to do was log in and make one post every fortnight regardless of quality. Do we let eighteen year-olds drive or fly a plane as soon as they turn 18 or do we require some sort of qualification from them before they're allowed to do so? Now that you need merit ranks will actually start to mean something and are at least some sort of achievement if you earn them, but they previously didn't mean anything other than you've made a certain amount of posts over a certain amount of time.

The economy made itself, anything below Junior member is most of the time completely irrelevant in sig campaigns.

But this just wasn't the case. Many ICOs accepted anyone, even Newbies, and people were literally farming Junior accounts by their dozens and in some cases hundreds (and probably even thousands) just to abuse campaigns because that's all they needed to do to maximise earnings. That really needed to change and one merit is only a small spanner in the works for the biggest abusers and doesn't go far enough in my opinion.

Other more elitist campaigns only accept hero and legendary members and make the barrier to entry even higher, I don't mind all that.

I wouldn't call them elitist. I only wish more campaigns only accepted certain higher ranks, or just people who actually made great posts. If campaigns did their due diligence and had some quality control then we wouldn't have even needed ranks or merit in the first place, but the problem is many campaigns accepted anyone regardless of quality and that was the whole crux of the problem.

And finally, Merit. The centralized limited supply currency. I objectively can't see anyone agreeing to this system, unless they're renowned members who can use connections and biased feelings from other fellow sMerit owners to exchange points.

The only people who wouldn't agree to it are those who now actually have to start writing half-decent posts, and that isn't a bad thing. Any 'renowned' member wouldn't have an issue getting merit because they already make great contributions so it's largely irrelevant to them, but something needed to be done about the droves of people coming here just to post utter drivel over their 200 alt accounts each, especially when they can't speak English very well or know little to nothing about bitcoin and are only here because someone told them they can get paid for spamming or copy and pasting. Merit isn't a perfect system and it does work, but if you have a better solution I'm sure everyone would love to hear it.
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