It is same like  gold and USD.. Bitcoin costs something which mean nothing more but only trust. I am pretty sure that USD and other currency are like bitcoins without trust they are dead. Nobody can convince me that they cost something..

I have trust in bitcoin and it is not only me. That is why it still exists. Each new digital currency has to earn trust which is not an easy task

I am really sorry about BFL. I suggest all of us to send them some money so they can cover their loss and make some money on top? Or just to speed the proses up? We all know that long term winners are ASIC producers themselves. Right?  If i were one of you guy's who preordered almost half an year ago i will feel like i am badly F....D UP. The winners eventually will be the lucky ones from us which happen to have ASIC's delivered first. Actually i am starting to doubt about this also.

Doc,

As i said a couple of times you are my number 1 among all pools. So I am ok whatever you and community decide to do, in order to make this pool stay alive. If number of transactions depends on our payouts frequency (if it related to it at all), i am ok you to change it..If we have to pay something in reasonable amount like fee to reduce orphans it is ok also at least for me

Kano,

You have been very helpful to me several times. You know what you are doing for sure. And you are good also for sure. I see that for some reason you and Doc do not like each other very much. I will ask both of you to arrange your personal things in private. Stating here that we shall avoid this pool seems not good thing to do at all. From the other hand Doc has to respond something and shit begins to happen.

At the end nothing good will came out of your fight. I can bet on that. If you have something to propose to Doc how to avoid orphans just do it. Some of the users here have invested a lot in hardware and every % maters. From the other hand Doc deserves at least not to loose any money because of his hard work. We have to find a way out all together

Peace

Doc,

Apart of the bad luck there are to many orphan and stale blocks. Do you think that making version 2 blocks can have something in common? I am just wandering because before that orphan and stales were very low compared to now.

10X

Who says so? You or them? It may turn out that they are far behind at the end. Please leave Avalon team to work and stop losing their time with pictures and stuff. A picture, 3d rendering does not prove anything at all at least for me

I am interested to win the short race. As we well know long race can not be won at all. I mean that we will have to reinvest everything again and again.
I can not predict what will happen in 1-2 years period at all. Even electricity costs=0, i am not sure what will be the profit of this units ....Not mentioning the fact that they probably will not have any resell value apart of the BTC community itself.

Unless Avalon happen to be the first one:)

It may turn out that It works like LIFO - do not underestimate AVALON team also. They are local, have good background and have access to top manufacturing facilities with more than one machine also:)

Probably you did. I can not be 100% sure but my core voltage was 0.5 like yours when they were 0 kohm each...being 3 kohm each it means that you should get very high VCC core (my oppinion) voltage or something else around is damaged which shall be the case

Try the wire thing as suggested. As stated PCB is easy to damage. If you happen to fix at least one of the cores you will able to measure correct core voltage

What is so funny? Call it Firmware or whatever..but for sure some software development shall be done after the hardware production. Am i missing something here?

For me sounds like
Order Processing Status
https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=79.0
nothing more nothing less
Testing, debugging, bug fixing, bitstream develepmonet soon after......
ASIC's will be available next year - personal opinion

luffy,

Same happened to me also. Although original resistors look OK they were damaged. I suggest to find some 0603 Resistors and replace them. All will be fine. Another approach will be to unsloder them and cheek them with multimeter and  you will see that they are damaged (no resistance). Or you can measure the resistance between two ends of the resistors soldered on PCB. if they are damaged the resistance will be 10 KOhms if they are ok it should be about 5 Kohms

I was trying parallel soldering also. It turned out to be a bad idea because of easy "blowing out"
original ones. Better approach is just to replace them

There is no plan B right now.

Just personal opinion - the right time for canceling orders if someone wants to is right now. If there is a "cancel wave" for some reason i just do not wanna think how long it will take the refund. Especially those who paid with BTC. Trusting in BTC does not make it a legal currency and actually it may turn out from legal  point of view that nothing is paid at all and there will be no refund - extreme case of course.

For me the right plan is just to stick to our choice (vendor) and wait or quit now.

For me pictures did not matter at all. It is very clear from the beginning that ngzhang and his team are having access to top manufacturing facilities + their skills make them mine favorites. That is why i "bet" on them! The main difference between them and their competition is that they are "Local" which is a huge advantage. I suggest to leave them work and to loose their time with pictures and such. When they have something to share with us they will do.

Kano,

Here are results with timing=long for 11 hours

Please note ICA0-ICA3 and ICA26-ICA29 are with changed resistors for sure. There are at lest 3-4 boards from the rest with changed resistors, but unfortunately i can not remember their numbers

Best

	0	GPU0	41672	971221	363.593085	1.400034	0.000000
	1	ICA0	41672	12336	2.510747	0.048282	0.000002	43	4.413108	10	0.000000000999920	0.118484	1600	4274231664	4605	0.008396	160	119	long	true	115200	2	2
	2	ICA1	41672	12473	2.961499	0.214484	0.000002	42	4.329242	10	0.000000000981032	0.115743	1600	4242677362	4541	0.008696	160	62	long	true	115200	2	2
	3	ICA2	41672	12649	5.315056	1.476899	0.000002	41	4.273607	10	0.000000000965784	0.125597	1600	4288070182	4707	0.009180	160	71	long	true	115200	2	2
	4	ICA3	41672	12569	3.502263	0.262402	0.000002	42	4.347153	10	0.000000000984132	0.120340	1600	4292662870	4606	0.008492	160	129	long	true	115200	2	2
	5	ICA4	41672	11004	3.566485	0.946676	0.000002	48	4.958089	10	0.000000001126098	0.121535	1600	4278299352	4115	0.007690	160	115	long	true	115200	2	2
	6	ICA5	41672	10893	3.635474	0.945021	0.000002	48	4.978525	10	0.000000001125178	0.145921	1600	4261545708	4112	0.007901	160	110	long	true	115200	2	2
	7	ICA6	41672	10946	3.711691	0.998559	0.000002	48	4.961865	10	0.000000001124789	0.130935	1600	4272433342	3975	0.007576	160	137	long	true	115200	2	2
	8	ICA7	41672	10928	2.661877	0.121210	0.000002	48	4.967016	10	0.000000001125969	0.131015	1600	4291956988	4096	0.007345	160	97	long	true	115200	2	2
	9	ICA8	41672	10917	2.841205	0.119703	0.000002	48	4.989389	10	0.000000001134453	0.116952	1600	4277281596	4072	0.008135	160	71	long	true	115200	2	2
	10	ICA9	41672	10971	5.718872	1.240576	0.000000	48	4.936110	10	0.000000001115143	0.146609	1600	4290746994	4003	0.007442	160	6	long	true	115200	2	2
	11	ICA10	41672	10752	4.543638	1.384864	0.000002	48	4.984062	10	0.000000001132101	0.121727	1600	4281984372	3965	0.008019	160	130	long	true	115200	2	2
	12	ICA11	41672	11059	2.743326	0.119330	0.000001	47	4.896753	10	0.000000001110573	0.126880	1600	4266670588	4025	0.007508	160	29	long	true	115200	2	2
	13	ICA12	41672	10615	4.528384	1.233007	0.000000	49	5.045424	10	0.000000001130485	0.190026	1600	4278466792	3931	0.007593	160	94	long	true	115200	2	2
	14	ICA13	41672	10748	4.613970	1.352324	0.000002	49	5.037712	10	0.000000001133836	0.167924	1600	4284039906	4016	0.007426	160	18	long	true	115200	2	2
	15	ICA14	41672	10900	2.733590	0.117377	0.000002	49	5.037367	10	0.000000001149880	0.098668	1600	4277803568	4073	0.007798	160	66	long	true	115200	2	2
	16	ICA15	41672	10953	2.718361	0.119965	0.000002	48	4.923011	10	0.000000001111331	0.149882	1600	4260984088	3991	0.007511	160	151	long	true	115200	2	2
	17	ICA16	41672	10950	2.537014	0.141895	0.000002	48	4.981943	10	0.000000001137081	0.098218	1600	4275359084	4045	0.008275	160	43	long	true	115200	2	2
	18	ICA17	41672	12350	3.726626	0.664459	0.000002	42	4.392341	10	0.000000000990362	0.138770	1600	4251259860	4497	0.008671	160	20	long	true	115200	2	2
	19	ICA18	41672	12250	2.975354	0.144306	0.000002	43	4.405313	10	0.000000000996196	0.126682	1600	4288208408	4492	0.008669	160	11	long	true	115200	2	2
	20	ICA19	41672	10650	2.721982	0.144693	0.000002	49	5.093104	10	0.000000001155094	0.132013	1600	4291332084	3830	0.007291	160	152	long	true	115200	2	2
	21	ICA20	41672	10913	2.605371	0.174266	0.000002	48	4.966502	10	0.000000001118462	0.162746	1600	4277245552	3974	0.007577	160	138	long	true	115200	2	2
	22	ICA21	41672	10764	2.726643	0.147668	0.000001	49	5.004606	10	0.000000001116213	0.210508	1600	4277395872	4042	0.007937	160	45	long	true	115200	2	2
	23	ICA22	41672	12375	2.626903	0.145837	0.000001	42	4.360790	10	0.000000000991422	0.102663	1600	4288569702	4461	0.008659	160	140	long	true	115200	2	2
	24	ICA23	41672	10710	3.086680	0.144996	0.000002	49	5.093802	10	0.000000001160190	0.110824	1600	4291315650	3985	0.007460	160	143	long	true	115200	2	2
	25	ICA24	41672	10922	2.751743	0.142671	0.000002	48	4.997611	10	0.000000001127309	0.155857	1600	4246874872	3966	0.007127	160	126	long	true	115200	2	2
	26	ICA25	41672	10864	3.041689	0.141176	0.000002	49	5.016164	10	0.000000001133526	0.147707	1600	4255465354	4046	0.008038	160	50	long	true	115200	2	2
	27	ICA26	41672	12312	3.044015	0.324907	0.000002	43	4.447452	10	0.000000001015595	0.085504	1600	4284001448	4519	0.008444	160	40	long	true	115200	2	2
	28	ICA27	41672	12472	3.749297	0.924476	0.000002	42	4.376254	10	0.000000000989404	0.126796	1600	4284850334	4452	0.008082	160	135	long	true	115200	2	2
	29	ICA28	41672	12406	2.959108	0.141556	0.000002	43	4.419099	10	0.000000000999569	0.125985	1600	4292420886	4649	0.009071	160	9	long	true	115200	2	2
	30	ICA29	41672	12646	3.233519	0.663727	0.000001	42	4.364028	10	0.000000000988383	0.118956	1600	4263208878	4791	0.008888	160	151	long	true	115200	2	2

Thanks Kano!
I am trying it and i will post the results
Best

+1
He is good for sure Very good!

Kano,
Unfortunately i did not saved api-stats with timing 2:70. I am posting results with timing long. If they are not enough i can run some boards with 2:70 and some with long and post back the results tomorrow


Full nonce for moded boards with U ranging between 6.3-6.5 is:
4.413108
4.329242
4.273607
4.347153

HS:

0.000000000999920
0.000000000981032
0.000000000965784
0.000000000984132


Full nonce for rest is with U ranging between 5.5 -5.7 is:
4.989389
4.936110
4.984062
4.896753

HS:
0.000000001134453
0.000000001115143
0.000000001132101
0.000000001110573

Is that info enough?

Best

Kano,

I have tried --icarus-timing 2:70. I was running it for two days. I have saved the results.

Today i changed the resistors on a couple of my boards. With 2:70 i see a lot of times two yellow leds (on ones with VCC core increased -changed resistors) - The sign on top of the leds is IDLE. When i run cgminer with icarus-timing long No yellow leds - these broads (changed resistors) are blinking like the rest

Can you comment that pls.
Thank you

I can compare the results after two days or so...

Thank You!