For the OP, what suchmoon said. But Jet Cash's point is important too. Nested quotes are never a good idea
Definitely something I need to be more conscious of when I'm posting on my phone. Been guilty of that one a few times lately. I do need some help on that front, though, so I'll ask it here as it's kind of on-topic. On my old phone it never had this "feature", but I now get this weird 'zoom-all-the-way-in-for-seemingly-no-reason' when trying to select text to remove from a quote and it's really annoying. Does anyone know how to turn it off? Android/Chrome if that helps.
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Today, I'm closer than I've ever been to my 100th birthday. Doesn't mean it's going to happen any time soon, though. It's only going to be a " very exciting week" for the people buying the hype. Still not expecting to see an ETF approved for at least another year or two (and would be happy if it took far longer than that).
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Can this robot help me in trading?
It won't help you if you don't know what you're doing. Bots can automate the trades you tell it to make. If you tell it to make bad trades, it may even amplify your losses beyond what you might have lost trading manually.
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Almost all of your complaints are generally aimed at what different companies and organisations are doing. None of it is a fault with crypto itself.
It's only natural that companies are going to engage in rampant profiteering in a relatively nascent field like this. For now, it's relatively easy for businesses to capture a monopoly at this early stage, but eventually this space will mature a little more and services will be forced to price more competitively.
Your solution is either to deal with better companies, or, preferably, find a way to cut out the middleman and do it yourself. That's the most interesting part about crypto. I don't see a gun to your head forcing you to use those services. Tired of exchanges? Explore peer-to-peer options. Don't like the conventions? Start your own. It's up to you. No one is going to hand it to you on a plate, though. Because, as much as you might complain about these companies, they put some work in to get where they are now. If you think you can do better, you'll need to do the same.
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The Tether bubble is going to burst when people realize that it is not backed 1:1 to the US Dollar.
I thought it was pretty much common knowledge by now. The speculators are going to keep gambling anyway, because greed. Convenience is clearly a greater concern than the mounting risks for them. They know it's shady.
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I'm actually pleased to hear that the speculators have a new favourite plaything. Daytraders are just victims-in-waiting, so when they invariably get burned through hacks, market manipulation or exit scams, hopefully the negative headlines might get attributed to USDT instead, heh. It also doesn't surprise me in the slightest that they'd pick such a poor "coin" (doesn't meet my definition of the word cryptocurrency, anyway) with serious doubts over the legitimacy of its backing. I'm suspicious of so-called stablecoins in general, but Tether seems to be by far the shadiest of them. Ultimately, USDT lives primarily on exchanges and has little utility outside of them. That's not how crypto was designed to be used and confers none of the benefits of being in control of your own funds.
Give me BTC in a wallet that I control any day.
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If they give you too much, you can just give them some back. Just as if you were dealing with physical coins. There's no way for you to prevent them handing you the wrong amount, but you can work out the right amount and refund the difference.
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but despite that there have been big drops in the past, this one is pretty big non-existent compared to normal.
FTFY. Difficulty is going up and it doesn't do that if the hash rate is plummeting. People are jumping at shadows: https://www.blockchain.com/en/charts/difficulty
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Lasty, the blockchain technology. Unfortunately, people are looking at the other side of the spectrum whenever they use bitcoin. Superficially, most are only enjoying its relatively volatile price in the market without even understanding the potential of the blockchain once implemented in our daily transactions.
Imagine a world where everything can be seen publicly in a ledger which is unalterable. This would eliminate the doubts we have in the business sector and this would expose their every movement of manipulation and control.
It sounds nice in theory, but I'm not convinced. The only way a blockchain can truly be transparent and immutable is if it has independent nodes all around the world run by people who are adequately incentivised to keep the chain secure. So the problem is twofold: a) What company would even consider launching a decentralised blockchain where their customers are responsible for maintaining the ledger? And b) What would be the incentive be for ordinary people to start securing blockchains for lots of different companies? Otherwise it's just a private database the company can alter at will if they control all the nodes. It's just a database. It can be manipulated.
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I get that the media need their attention-grabbing headlines, but are we still not past taking everything they report at face value yet?
Apparently, not. News outlets have been getting worse with every month that went by, but people keep donating traffic to them. They hold the golden formula to keep triggering overly sensitive perma bulls. And then we have social media influencers who keep reporting about these articles, which only adds fuel to the fire. You can't escape from these attention grabbing articles anymore. I guess we just have to accept it and move on. Experts are not sure whether it is worth linking these two phenomena directly since previously significant decreases in hash rate did not significantly affect the rate. It is possible that these are just interesting coincidences. It is also possible speculative behavior of a large player who suddenly threw a large number of coins onto the market. At the moment, no one gives the exact reason for the fall. At this stage I'm inclined to chalk it up to ignorance and herd mentality. Someone mistakenly thought the hash rate dropped alarmingly, not realising it was just lousy metrics. It gets reported in the media without being fact-checked. Speculators panic. Snowball from there. Lots of fuss about not much.
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Since i read some stories behind people nowdays, Proof of Work is not up to date (worth it) anymore you need to be bloody rich to mine with PoW is there any other solutions? such as Proof of Participation (PoP) ? Proof of Stake (PoS) ?? any thought / any experience you guys....?
cheers
That would all depend on what it is you're aiming to accomplish. Unless I'm interpreting your words incorrectly, it sounds like you're asking us how to make money from securing a blockchain, in which case you're barking up the wrong tree in the Development & Technical subforum. In terms of security, the way in which we're currently securing the Bitcoin blockchain is definitely "worth it", even if it isn't profiting you personally.
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I definitely support the notion of scrapping the minimum number of posts per week. There might be the occasional week where I hit 20 posts, but it's certainly not common for me. Sometimes I don't even hit 10 posts in a week. My inclination is to post only when I have something to say, so I'm fairly sure the quality of my contributions would suffer if I was forced to post more than I naturally do.
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Would it even be Bitcoin if people weren't overreacting to something fairly innocuous, though? I get that the media need their attention-grabbing headlines, but are we still not past taking everything they report at face value yet?
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Ultimately, regardless if a recession will pump the price of bitcoin or not, you're a sick person if you're looking forward to a recession just because your bitcoin holdings might pump in price. Unemployment rates would rise, and that would lead to families being unfed, and a lot more other disastrous consequences.
I'll have to double check when I'm not on my phone and have a bit more time, but I *think* it was this recent Andreas Antonopoulos video where he raised a similar point: https://youtu.be/15qZu-OHFk0If memory serves, he said "you'd have to be a sociopath", or words to that effect. It's probably a thought many of us have briefly considered at some point or another, but yes, it's sick when you actually stop to think about it.
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* moved by request from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158920.msg52488736#msg52488736 *-snip
I proposed it about 3 months ago and nothing has happened since then. A board dedicated to second layer solutions might help us not to abuse this topic and divide information into separate threads without having to worry that they will end up on the 20th page of this section. If you want to discuss it further, please reply in the previously mentioned topic. I'd assume it's more a case of "when" than "if", so once the demand is there and it makes sense to have one, we'll probably get it then. Difficult to tell how long it might take, but I guess that's up to devs, retailers and anyone else working towards the goal of increased adoption.
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Perhaps he was generalising, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But whether he really believes he speaks for an entire nation (and a highly populous one to boot) or not is beside the point. Everyone is free to transact however they choose. If you want to use Bitcoin to make payments for real world goods and services, go for it. If you want to speculate and try a bit of daytrading, that's cool too. If you're holding until you retire, awesome. Whatever you're doing, keep doing it. It's not for others to tell you what's right or wrong, even if opinions are offered on the subject.
I personally think speculation is overrated, but if that's what people want, who am I to judge? It's their personal wealth on the line, not mine.
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A very hypothetical scenario, yes, and I believe something that we should think about and debate/discuss about how Bitcoin could "fail". Because if the custodians could censor transactions, then Bitcoin, as what it's supposed to be as a censorship-resistant cryptocurrency, has therefore failed in my opinion.
A cartel of ETF issuers might be one of the paths to its failure.
ETFs won't be censoring any transactions, though, because the investors won't have any access to the BTC to send it anywhere. The sole purpose of an ETF is to hold some bitcoins in reserve and not move them. People then place fiat bets on the price, never interacting directly with the bitcoins.
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How much from the total amount of the Bitcoins mined so far are moving around within the Bitcoin economy, and how much are stored in wallets and never moving, and how much of those "never moving Bitcoins" are held by third party custodians.
It'll take a keener mind than mine to figure that out. It's tricky enough keeping track of the "lost" bitcoins where people assume access to the private key has been lost, but it's still largely guesswork, as it may just be long-term HODLing. I have coins that haven't moved in 5+ years, so do some people assume those coins are lost because they haven't moved in a while. But I would assume that because some early adopters have vast tranches of BTC and are more likely to be of the "hold your own keys" mindset, there should still be a sizeable sum in the hands of individuals. Plus, it's pretty well established that these third party custodians are shit at security and seldom manage to retain custody of their clients' BTC, meaning it usually ends up back in the hands of individuals anyway. But you understand my viewpoint, I hope. The "custodians" could cartelize, and could censor the transactions they don't want, or maybe censor some transactions labeled "illegal" by the government. I don't think I did initially, but I'm there now. You're approaching it from the hypothetical scenario that a majority of Bitcoin users would be reliant on these companies and would then be restricted in their usage, correct? From the perspective of someone who definitely wouldn't be reliant on those custodians, I'd feel a bit sorry for those "users" (technically, not really Bitcoin users), but that in and of itself wouldn't constitute a failure of Bitcoin (in my view anyway), as it's simply what those people opted to sign up for. No responsibility and no control. If that's what some people want, it's up to them. If, however, it begins to impact those of us who aren't using those services, that I would perceive as a failure. If, for example, such a cartel claimed they had an economic majority and somehow managed to pressure developers into going down a certain developmental path or otherwise interfered with network governance, that's where I'd draw the line. Provided the users who hold their own private keys are still free to transact in the way they want to, it's not a failure.
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Then, I bring forth the question, "Can Bitcoin be considered a "failure", if the majority of all coins were held by third-party custodians?"
Well there's certainly a great deal of room for personal opinion on that one, heh. If it did happen (and I find it pretty unlikely), I'd say it depends on how much trust it would require from those of us not utilising their services. If they started leveraging their influence and pushing for protocol changes, I probably would consider it a failure. How much from the total amount of the Bitcoins mined so far are moving around within the Bitcoin economy, and how much are stored in wallets and never moving, and how much of those "never moving Bitcoins" are held by third party custodians. It'll take a keener mind than mine to figure that out. It's tricky enough keeping track of the "lost" bitcoins where people assume access to the private key has been lost, but it's still largely guesswork, as it may just be long-term HODLing. I have coins that haven't moved in 5+ years, so do some people assume those coins are lost because they haven't moved in a while. But I would assume that because some early adopters have vast tranches of BTC and are more likely to be of the "hold your own keys" mindset, there should still be a sizeable sum in the hands of individuals. Plus, it's pretty well established that these third party custodians are shit at security and seldom manage to retain custody of their clients' BTC, meaning it usually ends up back in the hands of individuals anyway.
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I can understand that institutional investors would want to avoid having the hassle of dealing with the safekeeping of coins and wallets and such, so they would pay a third party to do it on their behalf. The risk is much lower for them to invest in Bitcoin then and it is backed by actual bitcoins. Then the actual point. "Is allowing the custody of Bitcoin to institutional third parties, without thinking of the consequences, good or bad?" we're in no position to allow or disallow it, so it's a moot point. wall street wants it, and it's up to the SEC. and once they allow ETFs it's also not our business if people/institutions want to trust third parties. it's just like today with so many people using exchanges as wallets. it makes me shake my head, but what am i supposed to do about it? Then, I bring forth the question, "Can Bitcoin be considered a "failure", if the majority of all coins were held by third-party custodians?" Well there's certainly a great deal of room for personal opinion on that one, heh. If it did happen (and I find it pretty unlikely), I'd say it depends on how much trust it would require from those of us not utilising their services. If they started leveraging their influence and pushing for protocol changes, I probably would consider it a failure.
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